Mr. DEAN. He was with Jack Ruby when we interviewed him up in the jail.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. DEAN. And he asked no questions. I am sure that he stood there and
listened, as an interested party, or----
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Bob Lowery?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; I didn't talk to him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, after you had passed this information on to Pierce,
as I recall, you said that you thought you might have talked with
Vaughn some time that afternoon?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember anything else you did that afternoon
besides possibly talking with Vaughn?
Mr. DEAN. Not anything else particularly, other than asking Nelson and
Patterson, along with Vaughn, separately, rather, or individually, that
I did ask them did this man come by them, and they said no.
Mr. GRIFFIN. By the time you left work that day, had any instructions
been given with respect to preparing reports as to what happened?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; this was the next morning.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you file a report at the end of the day?
Mr. DEAN. At the end of the day?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, sir.
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you make any notes that particular day, on the 24th?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir; my assignments.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And other than your assignments, did you make any other
notes?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you keep those in a regular assignment book?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; just a small notebook that I had. I always--when I
deal with a group of men, rather than try to remember where I put them,
I always write it down.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When was the first time that you made any notes about the
events, or wrote a report about the events of the 24th?
Mr. DEAN. November the--I think probably I wrote this report on the
25th, which was the next day, but it's headed November the 26th, but I
imagine that's the time the typist got to it. She was doing a lot of
typing from then on, but I think the next morning is when I wrote this
report.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, do you have the original notes that you made, that
you used to write that report up?
Mr. DEAN. This report; yes, sir. This is the one that I will supply to
you.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Good. When was the next time that you saw Jack Ruby, after
your interview or session with him up there?
Mr. DEAN. The next time I saw him?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. DEAN. In the courtroom during the trial.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, I am going to hand you what I have marked for
identification as Exhibit 5008, which is marked "Dallas, Texas,
Sergeant Dean, March 25, 1964, Exhibit 5008." This is actually stapled
to Exhibit 5007, but Exhibit 5008 is the report of the interview that
you had with FBI Agents Paul L. Scott and Edmond C. Hardin, on December
2, 1963, in Dallas. Will you look at that, Sergeant Dean, and tell me
if you had a chance to read that over? Let me ask you first of all, if
you have had a chance to read it over?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir; last night. There are some corrections
[indicating]----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Will you state to us what you think should be corrected in
that statement?
Mr. DEAN. On page 1, the last paragraph, I don't know whether it's too
important. It says, "Dean recalled that before starting the search
of the basement he assigned Officer B. G. Patterson to stand at the
Commerce Street ramp leading to the basement." Now, this is actually
the exit from the basement, if that means anything. The way it reads
here it sounds like that's the entrance.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why don't you take my pen and change that. You might make
it read, "which is the exit"----
Mr. DEAN. Exit from the basement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; and if you would, just out in the margin, put your
initials and the date.
Mr. DEAN. Page 2, paragraph 4, same error, Commerce Street ramp leading
into the basement [indicating].
Mr. GRIFFIN. Okay.
Mr. DEAN. I will mark it "exit". Page 4, paragraph 3--off the record.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; all right; that's all right.
Mr. DEAN. It says, "Dean has known Jack Ruby since 1959." This is
erroneous.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How should it read?
Mr. DEAN. It should be either 1960 or 1961, whatever date--I could find
out and let you know for sure, the time that I came downtown from the
Oak Cliff area, as a sergeant. I was assigned to the downtown area,
which includes the location of Carousel Club. I have been downtown some
4 or 5 months before I was assigned to this location. So I would say
it would have been about 4 or 5 months after I was transferred to the
downtown area that I met Jack Ruby.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long were you assigned to that downtown area?
Mr. DEAN. About a year and a half.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And were you a sergeant at that time?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have any men working under your direction?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many men worked under your direction down there?
Mr. DEAN. Well, it would vary from the hours that I worked, from 12 to
17 or 17 men, depending on the hours. Twelve regular men, or 13 regular
men.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, was Vaughn under your direction at that time?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir. Vaughn has never worked for me directly.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Nelson?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Bobby Patterson?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir. Patterson worked for me when I was assigned to the
area in the 100, district 100, in the downtown area.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And was that the area that Jack Ruby's nightclub was in?
Mr. DEAN. Patterson occasionally worked on the district that Ruby's
Carousel Club was on. Not as a regular man.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know if Patterson was friendly with Ruby?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You just don't know?
Mr. DEAN. I don't know.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you consider yourself a friend of Patterson's?
Mr. DEAN. Not intimately; no, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you see Patterson on a social basis?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Does Patterson still work under your direction?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Whose direction is he under now?
Mr. DEAN. Sergeant Jennings, W. G. Jennings. He is still assigned to
that area. Not the specific district that the Carousel was on, or has
been on, but let's see--I don't recall exactly what district he is
assigned to; 103 I believe.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Go ahead, if there is anything else. Incidentally, on this
date, have we turned the page on that? The date there, why don't you
make a correction as to what you think it is, and if you feel, when you
check your notes, that you want to correct it even more exactly, why
you can be free to do it [indicating].
Mr. DEAN. I would like to clarify this one thing. "On occasions when
driving in the area with another officer, he would go up to the
Carousel, usually once or twice a week." This is true, as far as once
or twice a week, and sometimes three times a week. However, this--with
another officer is erroneous. Usually it would be with some friend of
mine that would be riding with me, rather than another officer.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Okay. Why don't you put that down?