Mr. GRIFFIN. Ruby told you--or you told him----

Mr. DEAN. I told Lieutenant Pierce that Ruby had told me he had came in

through the Main Street ramp, at which Officer Vaughn was posted.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And then what did you and Pierce do?

Mr. DEAN. He notified the captain of this.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Talbert?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And did Talbert come in? Were you present when Pierce

notified Talbert?

Mr. DEAN. I was present when--I do know that they called Vaughn in, but

I think that he had already gone home that day, and that he was off the

next day, and I think they called him to tell him to come, to report to

the office this next morning, to investigate whether he did let Ruby in

or how he got in, or why he said he came in through his post.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You didn't talk with Vaughn the rest of the day?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And to your knowledge Pierce didn't talk with him the rest

of that day?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Or Talbert?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what else was done that day, as you recall, as a

result of your telling Pierce about the conversation with Ruby?

Mr. DEAN. I am sure that--I don't know. I am thinking that Captain

Talbert called Chief Fisher, notified him of it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What's your best estimate of what time of the day that

would have been, that you talked with Pierce?

Mr. DEAN. It was that afternoon, I believe, after I had gotten back

from the hospital. I didn't remember it a while ago, but I think when

I did get back from the hospital, that's when I told Lieutenant Pierce

about it, somewhere around 2:30 or 3.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there any kind of record that you would have

maintained, or the police department would have maintained, that would

give us some better way of fixing that time?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir; not that I know of.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Dispatchers? Did you call the dispatcher to tell them you

were coming back?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir; now, it was about 2 when I was talking--or had taken

Mrs. Oswald in to view Lee, and I left then, somewhere around 2. So

I got back to the station, maybe around 2:25 or 2:30, so when I told

Lieutenant Pierce about it, it should have been somewhere around, maybe

3, or the first time I saw him.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you, after coming back and talking with Pierce,

make any further efforts or make any effort to talk with people who

you had assigned in the basement, or who you knew were working in the

basement, concerning the security of the basement?

Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir; I did ask Nelson could he say for sure that this

man didn't come through his post, and he said he could say for sure

that he didn't come through the police and court building, Nelson's

post.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when did you talk with Nelson?

Mr. DEAN. This was, I am sure, when I got back--probably when I got

back from the hospital. I don't recall. It might have been before I

went. This was my main thought, as to how the man got into the basement.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you call Vaughn at that time?

Mr. DEAN. No, sir; I asked him, just as I asked the others, had this

man come through, because I knew the focal point was going to be on

Vaughn, and I knew the investigation was going to be on Vaughn.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you talk with Vaughn that afternoon?

Mr. DEAN. It seems that Lieutenant Pierce and I talked to him, and I

think Captain Talbert was there. It was up on the second floor. It

seems that we did talk to him that day, asked him did he have any

knowledge of how he got into the basement. Captain Talbert was doing

most of the questioning. I told Lieutenant Pierce and Captain Talbert

what Ruby had told me, and from this he was questioning Vaughn.

Now, I think this was in the afternoon and Vaughn was scheduled to be

off the next day, and Captain Talbert told him he better come on into

work the next day, for the purpose, I assumed, of more investigation.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Nelson, when was Nelson talked to?

Mr. DEAN. Well now. I talked to Nelson myself. I don't know. I am sure

that somebody else did too, but I don't know.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that before or after you talked with Vaughn?

Mr. DEAN. I don't remember.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And where did that conversation with Nelson take place?

Mr. DEAN. He was still on his post when I talked to him. Of course,

this--whether it was before I went to the hospital or--I am sure that

it probably was before I went to the hospital, that I asked Nelson

could he say for certain that this man hadn't come by him, and he

said yes. And then I asked Patterson, all of them; Patterson, Nelson,

Vaughn, stated the man did not come by their post, but I--the focal

would be on Vaughn, since I had been told that that's where Ruby came

in, by Ruby himself.

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