Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you see out at Parkland Hospital?
Mr. DEAN. Well, I talked to Lee Harvey Oswald's mother, and in fact,
I had taken her along with some--I assumed some Secret Service men, I
assumed they were Secret Service men that were with her when I started
talking to her. I went in with her into view the body, her and Marina
Oswald, to view the body of Lee.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did somebody assign you to go out to Parkland Hospital?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you happen to go out there?
Mr. DEAN. To check on the condition of Oswald. I knew that--well, it
was just reaction for me to go out there, because I knew that I would
probably be needed out there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you check in with Captain Talbert before you went out?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; I did check out with the dispatcher on the radio,
that I was en route to Parkland Hospital.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Lieutenant Pierce, did you check out with him?
Mr. DEAN. I think when I got to Parkland Hospital I called him and
advised him that I would be at Parkland until I notified him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you got out to Parkland Hospital and before you saw
Mrs. Oswald, Marguerite Oswald, did you talk with any police officers?
Mr. DEAN. At Parkland?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. DEAN. Well, I am sure that I talked to some. Nothing specific or no
orders given, no assignments or anything. I was, more than anything,
I was answering questions as to what happened in the basement, from
everyone, even policemen and everyone else.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you tell them about the conversation you had with
Ruby?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why not?
Mr. DEAN. I just didn't tell anyone about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, where did you find Marguerite Oswald?
Mr. DEAN. She was waiting in a room just out of the emergency room
there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember what Secret Service agents were with her
at that time?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you wait with Marguerite in that room with the Secret
Service agents?
Mr. DEAN. No. That's--shortly after I went in to where Marguerite and
Marina were, Marguerite wanted to see the body, and they tried to
explain to her that they really hadn't gotten him in shape to view yet.
He just came out of the operating room, and she said, well, she wanted
to see him then, and she more or less was directing her statements and
demands to me, since I was the only uniformed officer there, and said
that she would like to go in and see him.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why did you happen to go to Marguerite?
Mr. DEAN. Well, I was just standing outside the door there where they
said he was, and someone had pointed her out, and said that's the
mother and the wife. No particular reason. But I did, after she asked
to go in and see him, they said--the doctor said it would be all right
for them, and I did go in with them, when they went in to view the
body. During the time that we were in this room where Oswald's body was
Mrs. Oswald, the mother, turned to me and said that at this time she
wanted to make a statement to me in regard to the allegations against
her son, that she could--something to the effect that she could prove
that they were wrong, and about this time she was interrupted by one
of the nurses telling me that I was wanted on the phone. So I left and
didn't see----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who had called you at that time?
Mr. DEAN. Lieutenant Pierce.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was he?
Mr. DEAN. He was at central headquarters.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did he have to say?
Mr. DEAN. He asked me how long I thought I was going to be there and
I said, well, I was leaving now. And then I left and came back to the
city hall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you talked to Pierce on the telephone, did you
tell him about your conversation with Ruby?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you drove out to Parkland Hospital, did you drive out
alone?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. When you drove back, did you drive back with anybody?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; by myself.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what did you do when you got back to central police
headquarters?
Mr. DEAN. I went to our office on the second floor, the patrol
captain's office.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And who was there?
Mr. DEAN. Well, I don't recall exactly. I know this was again getting
close to the change time. It was somewhere around 2 o'clock, and the
secretary told me that I had several phone calls waiting on me, and
one of--well, there were some long distance calls that had seen me on
television, and I didn't answer all of them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Any phone calls from anybody you knew?
Mr. DEAN. No; my wife had called. I mean there had just been a lot of
people calling.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you make any phone calls when you got that
message that you had calls?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; at the time, about--the only phone call that I had
taken was the dispatcher called and--just about the time I walked
in, and said that I had a long distance call from--oh, Chicago or
somewhere, and they transferred it down there, and, of course, they
were asking who this man was, how did he get in, questions that
newsmen--it was from some radio station. I didn't----
Mr. GRIFFIN. In Chicago. And did you tell them?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then what did you do after that long distance telephone
call from Chicago?
Mr. DEAN. Well, there was newsmen from KLIF came into the office, asked
would I give him a short interview, which I did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who were those people?
Mr. DEAN. This man, it was Glen Duncan. I didn't know him before. I
hadn't seen him before.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Anybody else that you remember with him?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; he was by himself.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And was that a tape-recorded interview?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir; station KLIF.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And how long did that interview last?
Mr. DEAN. Gosh, I don't know. Maybe 4 or 5 minutes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever get a copy of that interview from them?
Mr. DEAN. He sent me one, and it's at home somewhere. It didn't play on
my recorder and I didn't even try to play it since then.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you supply that to the Commission?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. If you would make a note of that, I would appreciate it.
Mr. DEAN. Any particular speed that you want this?
Mr. GRIFFIN. No; and incidentally, if you would like it transcribed at
a speed that will play on your recorder, I am sure we would be happy to
do that for you, and just exchange tapes, since we are taking a tape
from you, we will give it back to you at a speed you can play.
Mr. DEAN. Okay; all right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, where did this KLIF interview take place?
Mr. DEAN. It was on the second floor there in the small room that was
unoccupied at the time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do after that interview?
Mr. DEAN. I stayed around the office. I don't remember anything
particularly that I did do. Again, answering questions of people coming
on. I think that some men had been called in from off duty to report
for duty. Gosh, I don't even remember what time I got off from work
that day.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you stay around the office all the rest of the time
that you were there, that you were on duty?
Mr. DEAN. Well, I would imagine that I went back to the basement. Let
me think. The rest of the time I didn't do anything in particular. I
mean any specific assignment that I can recall.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But you seem to have some idea that you went back to the
basement?
Mr. DEAN. Well, the reason I think that I did, I had been away from
there about an hour and a half, and I just wanted to go back. I am sure
that I went back down there just to check on the situation and the
confusion that might have been in the basement, to see if possibly I
would have to notify the on-coming platoon how many men they might need
to stay around the city hall, quell this confusion.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you go back up to the third floor at all?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. The rest of that day?
Mr. DEAN. No, sir; I don't think so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk to any officers from the homicide bureau at
all, that day, the rest of that day?
Mr. DEAN. Not that I recall; no, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk with any police officers that day, about how
Ruby got into the basement?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who did you talk to?
Mr. DEAN. Yes, sir; now, you are bringing something back. I know now
what I did immediately--we will have to go back on the record. When I
got back to the city hall, I contacted Lieutenant Pierce and advised
him--that's when I talked to Pierce about my conversation with Ruby,
and I told him that I had talked to Ruby and that he told me that--how
he had gotten into the basement, which was breaking security, and that
Officer R. E. Vaughn was the man involved.