Mr. HUBERT. Was that outside the----

Mr. ARCHER. Outside the jail office.

Mr. HUBERT. Outside the jail office doors?

Mr. ARCHER. Well, no, sir; it is before you leave the corridor, going

into the basement in front of the jail office, but not into the

basement entrance.

Mr. HUBERT. I see. How long did you stay there?

Mr. ARCHER. It would be hard for me to say the exact time. In general

I'd say about 5, maybe 7 minutes that we stayed there.

Mr. HUBERT. All right, then where did you move to next?

Mr. ARCHER. While standing there in front of the office, Captain Jones

came through with Chief Batchelor, passed in front of us, entered the

basement and, as I recall, they stood there and had some conversation.

I didn't hear the conversation. Couldn't tell you what it consisted

of, but after seeing this talking to Chief Batchelor, Captain Jones

came back and said, "I want this corridor kept clear," and at the same

time he did, the doors opened up. This was the corridor going into

the basement in front of the jail office, "I want the corridors kept

clear," and he didn't necessarily order me. He indicated--just said, "I

want the corridors kept clear," and that is when I took my station on

the north side of the jail door, right where the corridor goes into the

basement, and also where the jail door opens into the basement where

the automobiles are parked.

Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell me about what time it was that you took that

station that you just described last?

Mr. ARCHER. May I--my approximate time--oh, sir, I couldn't give you an

exact time from the time that would elapse, I would say approximately

11:05, or 11:08 a.m. Like I say, that is only an approximate----

Mr. HUBERT. Let's try to get at it another way. About how long before

the shooting did you take that post?

Mr. ARCHER. I would say at least 15 minutes previous. Prior to the

shooting.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you leave that position that you have just described in

any substantial way? I understand you weren't standing stock still, but

substantially, did you remain in that location until the shooting?

Mr. ARCHER. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. HUBERT. I would like you to have a look at this mockup here and at

the basement chart which is in conformity with it, and I am identifying

this particular basement chart that I am going to ask you to testify

about by marking on it, "Dallas, Texas, March 25, 1964. Exhibit 5091.

Deposition of Don Ray Archer," is that right?

Mr. ARCHER. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, I am signing my name on it, and for the purpose of

identification, I will ask you to put your name below mine.

Mr. ARCHER. All right, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, you--use the mockup first to determine the exact spot

that you were standing in at what we'll call your final position.

Mr. ARCHER. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. In which you were approximately 15 minutes before the

shooting. I say, using this mockup, I want you to place yourself

wherever you were, and relate it to the map or chart, or draw a circle

in the spot at which you were. First of all, show to me on the mockup

where you were.

Mr. ARCHER. I was at this position right here, sir. In other words,

this door--this door here [indicating] had it been open--in fact, it

was open. I was helping to hold it open. Right on the corner of this

particular--it is not exactly a pillar, but just to the corner of

that----

Mr. HUBERT. If I put a circle right here, would that be the spot you

are talking about?

Mr. ARCHER. Yes; it would.

Mr. HUBERT. I am making a circle and drawing a line out, and I am

writing, "Position of Archer for about 15 minutes prior to the

shooting." I am drawing this circle around that legend, and connecting

the circle which marks your position with the circle which describes

it, is that correct?

Mr. ARCHER. Yes; it is as near correct as I can recall.

Mr. HUBERT. When the party came out, then the doors swung in to you, is

that right?

Mr. ARCHER. Sir, as I remember it, when the party came out, now, as

near as I can recall, the doors [were] open.

Mr. HUBERT. Opened which way?

Mr. ARCHER. I just couldn't say. I have thought about that, but I don't

remember exactly. I'd say--as I was showing you here, I was standing

enough to this side to hold this door.

Warren Commission (12 of 26): Hearings Vol. XII (of 15) · 第 367 / 425 题