Mr. MILLER. No; I sure don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember anything else that was said while Ruby was
there in the jail office?
Mr. MILLER. No; because right after that he was moved over to the jail
elevator and was being taken upstairs, and I went out in the basement,
the garage part of the basement, again.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, was Ruby searched in the jail office while you were
there?
Mr. MILLER. A quick search, yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. A pat-down?
Mr. MILLER. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were his pockets emptied?
Mr. MILLER. Not that I remember; no.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, were you in the jail office when Ruby was
taken upstairs?
Mr. MILLER. I couldn't be definite on that, because the best I remember
it, about the time he was being taken over to the elevator or shortly
after, the ambulance came in and picked Oswald up, and I went back
out into the basement to help try to keep this crowd of reporters or
photographers and what-not out of the way so that they could get the
ambulance in and Oswald loaded into it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how long did you remain out there in the basement
area assisting with the photographers?
Mr. MILLER. I would say maybe 45 minutes to an hour.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, were you there when Officer Dean was interviewed on
television?
Mr. MILLER. I don't remember Officer Dean being interviewed; no. After
the ambulance got out, I went up to the ramp on the Commerce Street
side. There were several people up there who claimed to be reporters
and photographers and what-not trying to get down into the basement and
trying to force their way in, and I went up to assist with that problem.
Mr. GRIFFIN. During this period from the time that Ruby was taken
upstairs and all of the time you were down there in the basement, did
you talk with anybody about how Ruby got into the basement?
Mr. MILLER. It is possible that I did, but I don't--like I say, I don't
remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember any rumors that you heard at that time
about how he got in?
Mr. MILLER. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any rumors circulated at that time as to how he
got in?
Mr. MILLER. There was one that I remember, that he might have
been--came in helping a crew with a television camera that came from
the basement proper there out into the garage part.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear that rumor while you were down in the
basement?
Mr. MILLER. I believe I did, but I couldn't be definite about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Officer Harrison stay down there in the basement with
you?
Mr. MILLER. No; I don't believe he did. Now, he could have, but I don't
think so.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Officer McMillon?
Mr. MILLER. I didn't--I don't remember seeing Officer McMillon in the
basement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Officer Lowery?
Mr. MILLER. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do after you finished down there in the
basement?
Mr. MILLER. Well, after things quieted down up there at the Commerce
Street side, I went back up to the juvenile bureau.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do up there in the juvenile bureau?
Mr. MILLER. I couldn't be definite about it. I probably worked on some
reports, but as to definite----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk to anybody up there about how Ruby got into
the basement?
Mr. MILLER. I am sure I did, but as far as remembering any particular
person that I talked to or how it was discussed, I couldn't say.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was up there in the juvenile bureau when you got back?
Mr. MILLER. Policewoman McLine is the only one that I could say that
was definitely there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was Officer Harrison at that time?
Mr. MILLER. I couldn't say.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Lowery?
Mr. MILLER. I don't know where they were.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when was the first time that you saw Officer Harrison
after the shooting?
Mr. MILLER. It was later, but as to giving you a definite time on it
from the time that this happened until we came back up to the office,
it would be hard to do.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you first see him?
Mr. MILLER. Back in the office, I believe, the best I remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And what did you do when you saw him?
Mr. MILLER. I don't remember any particular thing that we did.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how long did you remain up in the office?
Mr. MILLER. Well, the biggest part of the day. Captain Jones, I believe
it was, came down and told me to remain in the office until further
notice again, that I was to remain there until further notice, and
then--let's see--someone else came down shortly after that and had me
go down to the chief's office. I went down there, and Captain Jones
told me to go back to the juvenile bureau and remain until he called
for me.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What were you wanted for in the chief's office?
Mr. MILLER. No one ever said, and apparently it was a mixup in the
orders there, or something of that nature.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you actually talk with Jones when you got down there
to the chief's office?
Mr. MILLER. Only that he told me to go back to the juvenile bureau and
wait until he notified me, that he had an assignment for me and he was
going to notify me what it was later.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. How long did you remain back in the juvenile
office?
Mr. MILLER. I couldn't say definitely. I know later on that afternoon,
I believe it was Officer Harrison and Detectives Cutchshaw and Lowery,
the best I remember, and myself, were called down to the chief's office
and given an assignment, but what time it was, a definite time, I
presume it would have been around 4 o'clock.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And who gave you the assignment?
Mr. MILLER. Chief Stevenson, the best I remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And where were you sent to?
Mr. MILLER. I was sent to Love Field.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And did the four of you all go out to Love Field?
Mr. MILLER. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What were you to do out there at Love Field?
Mr. MILLER. We were to check around the American Airlines ticket office
and watch proceedings around there, around the ticket counter, out
there around the American Airlines ticket counter, the best I remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What were you looking for?
Mr. MILLER. Well, after we had left the chief's office, we started out
to Love Field, and Captain Martin called us back into the basement,
and, the best I remember, he told us that Mayor Cabell had been
scheduled to go to Washington, or some place, on an airplane, and
they had had a call that there had been a bomb placed on the plane or
was going to be a bomb placed on it, or something of that nature, and
I believe it was because of this that we were sent out to American
Airlines, and my understanding is that the mayor was supposed to have
left on a Braniff plane and changed it and left on an American Airlines
plane later.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What were you looking for around the American Airlines
office?
Mr. MILLER. Anyone that might have been carrying a gun or a bomb or
anything of that nature.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have a description of anyone in particular to look
for?
Mr. MILLER. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, what did you all talk about on the way out there in
the car?
Mr. MILLER. I am sure we talked about this shooting. Again, I couldn't
be definite on it. Like I say, I am sure everybody in the department
was talking about it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you hear in the car about how Ruby was shot, how
Oswald was shot?
Mr. MILLER. You mean--well. Officer Harrison and myself were in one car
and Detectives Lowery and Cutchshaw in another car.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you hear--what did you hear from Harrison as to
how----
Mr. MILLER. Again, I couldn't be definite on any part of the
conversation. Like I say, I am sure we discussed the thing and talked
about it, but as to any definite words, I couldn't be sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, there are various rumors that have circulated about
how Ruby got into the basement, and I am sure you are familiar with all
of them.