Mr. GRIFFIN. Which of the rumors did you discuss in the automobile that
you can remember?
Mr. MILLER. Well, the best I remember, the only rumor I had heard up
until that time had been the one that Ruby had come in with this camera
crew. Again, I can't be definite, but I believe it was on Monday, the
following day, that I heard this rumor, whatever it was, that he had
entered off----
Mr. GRIFFIN. The Main Street ramp?
Mr. MILLER. The Main Street ramp.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you got out there--when you saw Cutchshaw and
Lowery out there at the American Airlines, did you discuss with them
this rumor about coming in with the camera?
Mr. MILLER. I am sure we did, but again I couldn't--any definite words
that were said or anything like that, I couldn't be sure.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember anybody in that group saying that he saw a
man come by with a camera?
Mr. MILLER. Well, the best I remember, Detective Lowery, I believe it
was, said something about this camera coming by, and I vaguely remember
the camera coming by myself, but as far as a number of men and who they
were that were bringing this camera in, again I couldn't say.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Harrison? Did he indicate at that time that he
remembered the camera?
Mr. MILLER. Not that I recall; no.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Cutchshaw?
Mr. MILLER. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So Lowery was the only one that you can remember talking
about the camera, having seen this camera come by?
Mr. MILLER. He is the only one that I recall, yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there anything else you want to tell us about the
events of Sunday, November 24th?
Mr. MILLER. Well, I don't remember anything that I could tell. If I was
asked a question on it and knew the answer on it, I would be more than
glad to answer the question.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Have you heard any rumors concerning anyone who might have
seen Ruby down in the basement prior to the shooting of Oswald? (Pause)
Is your answer "No"?
Mr. MILLER. That is right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell me. Were you down in the basement when Rio Pierce's
car drove out of the basement?
Mr. MILLER. I remember a car driving out, which would be the wrong way
up towards Main Street, but as far as remembering who was driving the
car, I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you standing when that car drove out?
Mr. MILLER. I was standing by the door to the jail office, the door
that comes out into the garage portion of the basement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who stationed you there?
Mr. MILLER. Nobody. Like I was telling you before, we were out in this
hallway, windows, jail office. Someone that was already out in the
garage part of the basement, I presume, passed back instructions for
everybody to go out and line up on both sides of this hallway affair
that comes out.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you when you received those instructions?
Mr. MILLER. I was standing in this hallway outside of the jail office
windows there. There is those double doors, swinging doors that come
out into the garage portion of the basement.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you on the garage side of the swinging doors?
Mr. MILLER. No; in the basement proper.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long was that before Oswald came down?
Mr. MILLER. I couldn't be definite on that, but it wasn't very long,
possibly 10 minutes. I don't believe it could have been any longer than
that.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, then, where did you go to?
Mr. MILLER. From the basement proper, after the orders was passed
back to go outside and line up on both sides, I got on what would be
the north side of this little hallway in the garage portion of the
basement, where the ramp comes in, through the hallway that comes out
there, I was on the north side of that and would be on the east side of
the door that goes into the jail office.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And were you keeping an eye out in the basement for people
who might obstruct Oswald?
Mr. MILLER. Pardon.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you keeping a look, a watch out, from your position
for people who might try to obstruct Oswald?
Mr. MILLER. I was kind of watching the crowd and that, but as far as
having a feeling that anything was going to happen or----
Mr. GRIFFIN. You were watching the crowd?
Mr. MILLER. As to orders to do any particular thing.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was the crowd that you were watching?
Mr. MILLER. They were across the ramp that goes down through there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were they up against the railing?
Mr. MILLER. Part of them were up against the railing, part of them, the
best I remember, on the east side of the railing.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And how about, were the people strung across the Main
Street ramp from the direction of the jail house, the jail office, to
the railing?
Mr. MILLER. The best I remember, there was.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, now, how many lines deep would you say there were
of people along--crossing the Main Street ramp on the north side just
before Oswald came out?
Mr. MILLER. I recall of people being there, but as to how many rows
there were or a definite number of people, it would be hard to say.
The only thing on that that I could say definitely was that there were
people there, and as to how many, it would just be next to impossible
to say.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as Pierce's car came out, what did you do? As
Pierce's car came out of the garage, what did you do?
Mr. MILLER. I didn't do anything that I remember.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you look at it?
Mr. MILLER. I remember seeing a car going out the wrong way up to Main
Street, but as far as looking in the----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you watch it go up the ramp?
Mr. MILLER. No; because once it passes this wall there, it passes out
of view.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you keep an eye on the newsmen in that area as they
re-formed?
Mr. MILLER. I am sure I did, but looking over the crowd and everything,
it would be hard not to see them re-form, or whatever you call it.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was Blackie Harrison standing when Pierce's car went
out?
Mr. MILLER. I didn't see Officer Harrison that I remember when this car
drove out.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see Officer Harrison at any time down in the
basement after you took your position along the north wall just outside
of the jail office?
Mr. MILLER. It is possible that I did, but as far as remembering seeing
him or saying anything to him after that, I couldn't say definitely.
Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to hand you what I have marked for purposes
of identification as Miller Exhibits 5013 and 5014. Now, Exhibit 5013
is a copy of a report made by FBI Agents Wilkinson and Hardin of an
interview that they had with you on December 3, 1963, and Exhibit 5014
is a copy of a statement that you made or a letter that you addressed
to Chief Curry on November 26, 1963, entitled, "Subject: Shooting of
Harvey Oswald." I am going to ask you to take these and go out into the
other office and look them over and then let me know whether there are
any additions, corrections, changes of any sort that you would want to
make in those.
(Recess.)
Mr. GRIFFIN. For your purposes, Mr. Ward, may I say that we have Mr L.
D. Miller back with us.
And have you had a chance to look over Exhibits 5013 and 5014?
Mr. MILLER. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. To your recollection, are those accurate reports
of--looking at 5013, the FBI report, is that an accurate report of what
you told the FBI at that time?
Mr. MILLER. Well, there is part of it in here that is a little
confusing. It could mean one thing and then it could mean another.
Now----
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember that interview?
Mr. MILLER. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. And are you able to state from your memory whether that is
an accurate report of what you told them at that time?
Mr. MILLER. There is one part in here. Let me find it. It was, when the
officers were sent to the ramp area prior to Oswald being brought down,
there were officers stationed on both sides of the ramp. The officers
that came down were stationed on both sides of the ramp. I don't recall
telling the FBI that there were already officers stationed there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Let me see if there was some way you can mark
that on there. Where is this?
Mr. MILLER. Right here.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you want to take this, take my pen, and amend that
so that it reflects what your best recollection is that you told them
at that time?
Mr. MILLER. Let's see. Where do you want me to put it?