Mr. MILLER. You mean prior to----

Mr. GRIFFIN. Prior to the time.

Mr. MILLER. No; I don't think so. I couldn't be definite on that,

either, but I am sure he didn't.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know prior to the time that Ruby shot Oswald that

Officer Harrison knew Jack Ruby?

Mr. MILLER. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How long have you known Officer Harrison?

Mr. MILLER. I have probably seen him around the police department ever

since I have been here. As far as actually knowing the man, I didn't up

until the time I went to work up in the juvenile bureau in October.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you ever, prior to the time that Ruby shot Oswald,

had you ever gone any place socially with Harrison?

Mr. MILLER. No. The best I remember, when I first came to work down

here, Officer Harrison was riding a motorcycle and I worked in radio

patrol, and the only time you can probably see each other would be

passing, maybe down in the locker room, something like that, and then

he did work out at the pistol range for a while, and when I would go to

the pistol range, I would see him out there, but as far as talking to

him or going any place with him, no.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you ever engaged in any business enterprises with him?

Mr. MILLER. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know him any way other than in the capacity as a

fellow police officer?

Mr. MILLER. That is the only way.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did anything else happen before you went down into

the basement on Sunday morning that you can remember?

Mr. MILLER. I can remember those 2 children that were brought in and

working--I remember working on the papers pertaining to them and I

remember asking Policewoman McLine, after we had been told to go to the

basement, if she would finish the papers for me.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember anything else that happened or anything

else that was said?

Mr. MILLER. That is prior to going to the basement?

Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.

Mr. MILLER. No, sir; I don't.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, after Ruby shot Oswald, did you talk with Officer

Harrison?

Mr. MILLER. I am sure I did. In fact, after this was all over up there,

I rode out to Love Field with Officer Harrison, so I am sure I did talk

to him.

Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you talk to him about what had happened there in

the basement?

Mr. MILLER. I am sure we did; yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ask him whether he saw Ruby at any time before

Ruby shot Oswald?

Mr. MILLER. No; I don't believe I did.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk to him about how Ruby got down into the

basement?

Mr. MILLER. I am sure we discussed it; yes, sir.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What do you remember about that?

Mr. MILLER. I don't remember anything definite, but I believe that more

than likely everybody up there was wondering how he got down in there.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, immediately after Ruby shot Oswald, what did you do?

Mr. MILLER. The best I remember, at the time that this happened, I was

walking or trying to walk down towards the corridor for cars to go

through in behind of the officers and Oswald when they came out.

Mr. GRIFFIN. I want to know what you did after Ruby was shot.

Mr. MILLER. After Ruby was shot?

Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; or Oswald was shot.

Mr. MILLER. The best I remember, someone, seemed like, hit Ruby from

behind and pushed him forward. Like I said, I was trying to move that

way when this happened, so I grabbed a hold of Ruby and helped take him

into the jail office.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you--were you with Ruby in the jail office when

there were a lot of officers around him?

Mr. MILLER. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Ruby put up any sort of a struggle there in the jail

office?

Mr. MILLER. No; none that I remember.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you--did you have physical hold of Ruby in the jail

office?

Mr. MILLER. When we got into the jail office; yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear Ruby say anything?

Mr. MILLER. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you hear him say?

Mr. MILLER. As to definite words, I could give you what he said as best

I remember it, but it may not be his exact words. It could be that he

put some more words in.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Okay.

Mr. MILLER. The best I remember, he said something about--well, first

off, somebody asked, "Who is he?" And he said, "Oh, hell! You guys

know me. I am Jack Ruby." And the best I remember, he said something

about, "I hope the son of a bitch dies," and something about, "It will

save you guys a lot of trouble," or, "It will save everybody a lot of

trouble," something like that.

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