Mr. CROY. Next day.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Next day?
Mr. CROY. I believe it was the next day. No; that was the 22d.
Saturday, I didn't go to the police department that day.
Mr. GRIFFIN. While you were at the scene of the Tippit killing, did you
inquire there as to whether or not you could be of any assistance?
Mr. CROY. Well, when I left, I asked them if they thought they needed
me any longer, and they said, "No," so I left.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, have you been interviewed by an FBI agent or any
agent of the Federal Government with respect to what you have just told
us here?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Have you been interviewed by any member of the Dallas
Police Department with respect to what you have told us here?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did any of the--how many police officers came out to the
scene of the Tippit killing while you were there?
Mr. CROY. I don't know. There was a slew of them. That would be hard to
say.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any officers there that you knew?
Mr. CROY. There were several officers there that I knew. I don't know
their names.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there any officers there that you knew?
Mr. CROY. I am sure there is.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you know them?
Mr. CROY. The same way I know them, just by sight.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, do you have anything else of value that you know you
could contribute to the Commission?
Mr. CROY. Not that I know of.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know the name of the woman you talked to across the
street?
Mr. CROY. I don't recall. I think she lived across the street. She was
standing out in front watering her yard or doing something in her yard.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But you have the impression that she lived across the
street, in a house across the street?
Mr. CROY. I believe she did. I am not sure either, or it was in the
neighborhood and she was there in the yard. She was across the street
when it happened.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, you stated that she was watering her yard?
Mr. CROY. Or something. She was standing in the yard doing something.
Mr. GRIFFIN. But the first thing you indicated was, she had been
watering her yard? Apparently that was something that stuck with you
from, of course, talking with her?
Mr. CROY. I don't remember what she said she was doing. She was doing
something in the yard, and I presume that is where she lived was across
the street.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you have occasion to go to the theatre where
Oswald was apprehended?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Or go near there?
Mr. CROY. I went by it, yes; within a block of it on the way home.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Had Oswald been apprehended by the time you got there?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How do you know that?
Mr. CROY. They were on their way up there. There had been a report that
he had gone into the Texas Theatre.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you listening to your police radio?
Mr. CROY. No. I was standing at the scene, and there had been several
reports. One, that he, of course, they said that the killer did go into
a church, which was in sight of where they were at. And another report,
that he had gone into the library over on Jefferson. And they had all,
most of the officers except maybe one or two had left the scene where
Tippit was killed and gone to the spot.
And as I got ready to leave, there was another report that he ran into
the Texas Theatre, a man fitting Oswald's description had ran into the
Texas Theatre.
Mr. GRIFFIN. That was about the time you got into the automobile?
Mr. CROY. Just as I was fixing to leave.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have your police radio on in your car?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So you drove over there by the--near the theatre?
Mr. CROY. Well, I drove on up 10th Street. I believe it was 10th
Street. On up to Zangs, and when I got to Zangs, took a left, and at
the end of Zangs, at the corner of Zangs and Jefferson, it is just a
block away, I could see them rushing out to the front and the back.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do as you saw them rushing out?
Mr. CROY. They had more help than they needed, so I went on.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you continue to listen to your police radio?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear anything more over the radio about what
happened?
Mr. CROY. No. I only had channel 1 on my radio.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How far a drive is it from the Texas Theatre to where you
live?
Mr. CROY. About 3 miles.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How long does it take to drive that distance?
Mr. CROY. About 10 minutes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you actually see these men rushing into the Texas
Theatre from your automobile?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you know they were going into the, men were
rushing into the theatre just as you went by?
Mr. CROY. There were three cars in the back and about three in the
front, and there wasn't nobody in them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You drove right by the front of the theatre?
Mr. CROY. I drove within a block, but it is a big, wide street there,
and there is an alley and nothing on the other side of the street,
parking lots.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many cars could you see there?
Mr. CROY. I would say there were two or three in the back and two or
three in the front, plus another on the way.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, now, the street that you took, did that go by the
front or the back of the theatre?
Mr. CROY. It didn't go by either one of them.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Which street was that?
Mr. CROY. Zangs.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many blocks is it from the theatre?
Mr. CROY. One.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What street is the theatre on?
Mr. CROY. Jefferson.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What street does it back on to?
Mr. CROY. In backs into an alley.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Into the alley?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How many feet would you say that Jefferson or the Texas
Theatre is from Zangs?
Mr. CROY. I don't know. I would say not a very long block.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, when you were driving up Zangs, I take it you were
driving away from town?
Mr. CROY. South.
Mr. GRIFFIN. South on Zangs at Jefferson?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you continue south?
Mr. CROY. I continued south.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you proceed to your home from there?
Mr. CROY. Well, I didn't go home. I went to eat.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you go to eat?
Mr. CROY. Austin Barbecue.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where is that located?
Mr. CROY. On the corner of Hampton and Illinois.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you get to Hampton and Illinois?
Mr. CROY. From Zangs to Illinois.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then what direction?
Mr. CROY. West.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is that left or right?
Mr. CROY. It is a right.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Then how far up Illinois to Hampton?
Mr. CROY. Oh, I would say a long ways. It is a good stretch. Zangs
Place is about the 300 or 400 block and Illinois intersects at about
the 2100 or 2200 block.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How far driving was it from the Texas Theatre to this
place that you had dinner or lunch?
Mr. CROY. Well, it is about three-quarters of a mile from my house, so
it is 3 miles from there, so about 2-1/2 miles.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, from the diner what route did you drive to your house?
Mr. CROY. Straight up Illinois, west on Illinois.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is your house on Illinois?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know what time you arrived at the diner?
Mr. CROY. No; I don't.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you see anybody there that you knew?
Mr. CROY. My wife.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you have an appointment to meet your wife there?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. What time was your appointment?
Mr. CROY. Well, I saw her downtown and I was supposed to have gone
right straight over there. I was supposed to have gone by my mother's,
and I got detoured down at Tippit, and I was a little bit late, and she
was a little mad.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what time you were supposed to meet her?
Mr. CROY. No; I just saw her downtown, and we were going to eat. She
was in her car.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did you see her downtown? Where were you and she
when you saw each other?
Mr. CROY. At the courthouse. She pulled up beside me. I asked if
anybody needed me there, and they said, "No," and here she comes and I
said, "Do you want to get something to eat?" And she said, "Yes."
Mr. GRIFFIN. You said you would be right there?
Mr. CROY. I was going to change my uniform and my clothes were over at
my mother's and dad's.
Mr. GRIFFIN. So then as you drove out to change your clothes, what
did you do? Did you hear something? How did you happen to get over to
Tippit's place on the way home?
Mr. CROY. I was on the corner of Zangs and Colorado on my way to my
mother's and dad's house at that particular time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why were you going to change your clothes at your mother's
and dad's house? Did you live at your mother's and dad's house at that
particular time?
Mr. CROY. Yes. I did for about that 2 weeks.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Where was your mother's and dad's house from the place
that you had dinner?
Mr. CROY. It is quite a ways. It is about 3 or 4 miles.
Mr. GRIFFIN. How did you go from where you had your lunch or dinner to
your mother's and dad's house?
Mr. CROY. Straight out north on Hampton.
Mr. GRIFFIN. North on Hampton?
Mr. CROY. Yes.
Mr. GRIFFIN. You were living in your mother's and dad's house at that
time?
Mr. CROY. I slept there.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Well, was your wife living there also?
Mr. CROY. No.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you separated from her?
Mr. CROY. No.
(To reporter: Don't put that in there.)
Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you separated at that time?
Mr. CROY. At that time.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Is there anything else that you think that you could tell
as a result of your experiences on the 22d, 23d, or 24th, or any other
time that would be helpful to us, either in the investigation of the
assassination of President Kennedy, or the murder of Jack Ruby.
Mr. CROY. You mean Oswald?
Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes.
Mr. CROY. None that I know of. That is as well as I can remember it of
what happened.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Thank you very much.