Mr. DULLES. In the motorcade. Some of these down here. It might have
been even the wire services or the press cars. I don't know how many
cars but I think from our photographs we ought to be able to identify
that.
Representative FORD. A man named Jackson who was a photographer in one
of the cars with photographers is an individual who identified the fact
that somebody was in that window with a rifle as I recall.
Mr. DULLES. He was in one of the press cars was he?
Representative FORD. Yes.
Mr. DULLES. The wire service car is the seventh car including the lead
police vehicle. Well, the lead car, if you count the lead car, six, the
sixth car.
Representative FORD. He testified as I recall that the car in which he
was--was halfway down the block between Main and Elm at the time that
he looked up and saw the building and saw people in windows.
Mr. DULLES. This is Houston and this is Elm. Houston and Elm isn't it,
not Main. Main and Elm, or yes.
Representative FORD. However, the time span between the time that the
lead car, the President's car and the followup car came down Houston
and turned down Elm is a relatively short period of time.
Mr. LAWSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. By the way, at what speed were you going as you came around
the turn and into Elm Street? You said 7 to 10 downtown. Would it be
about the same speed there?
Mr. LAWSON. I imagine it was a little faster at this time, sir, because
the downtown section where it was quite heavily populated with people
watching the motorcade, we had been out of that for a while before we
got to the Houston Street turn. So we were probably back up to perhaps
12 or 15 miles an hour by then.
Mr. McCLOY. But you would have had to slow up a bit coming around the
curve.
Mr. LAWSON. Yes, sir.
Mr. STERN. Mr. Lawson, can you tell us why you didn't plan the
motorcade so that it went straight down Main Street to turn right on to
the entrance to the freeway instead of taking this dogleg on Houston
and Elm?
Mr. DULLES. Jerry, will you take over.
Representative FORD. Will you proceed please, Mr. Stern?
Mr. STERN. Yes.
Mr. LAWSON. You mean why we didn't come straight down Main Street to
the Stemmons Freeway?
Mr. STERN. Right.
Mr. LAWSON. Because it is my understanding there isn't any entrance to
the freeway on Main Street.
Mr. STERN. But you don't yourself recall now or do you?
Mr. LAWSON. Yes, I was told that there wasn't any entrance that way,
and I myself once when I went to the Trade Mart, not knowing that there
was any entrance to it, went down Main Street. You must enter the
freeway going in the direction that we wanted to go from the Elm Street
extension.
Mr. STERN. When you went down Main Street you found that you could not
get on to the entrance to the Stemmons Freeway?
Mr. LAWSON. Going the direction on the freeway towards the Trade Mart,
that is correct.
Mr. STERN. Which is the direction the motorcade was to go?
Mr. LAWSON. Was to go; yes, sir.
Mr. STERN. Have you ever had occasion to provide for building checks
along a motorcade route when you were doing an advance, or is it just
never done? This is as of the time of Dallas.
Mr. LAWSON. I have never had an advance where I had buildings checked
on our route.