Mr. LIEBELER. We have now gotten two dimensions roughly of the package,
the length and the height.
Mr. PAINE. My hand went around it pretty well, it didn't close around
it but it went around it to the grabbing of the fashion where the pipe
went actually through my fingers and thumb.
Mr. LIEBELER. Did your hand actually close around it?
Mr. PAINE. It did not close around it. At the other end I grabbed it
when I picked it up, grabbing it, I will draw my fingers here. This is
the thumb.