Mr. LIEBELER. The witness has sketched----

Mr. PAINE. In that fashion there. That was, say, 2 inches thick with

the blanket.

Mr. LIEBELER. Witness has drawn at the end marked "B" his hand

indicating how he picked it up and said that at that end it was about

2 inches thick, including the blanket.

When you grabbed it at that end could you tell whether the blanket was

wrapped tight up around the object that was inside or whether it was

just a fold of the blanket at that end?

Mr. PAINE. I thought it was, my impression was that it was all tightly

wrapped and that the blanket had strings around it--I can't recall

exactly but it was tied with strings, I don't remember where the

strings were and I thought the fold in the blanket came up along here

somewhere. I thought it was wrapped, the blanket was folded over.

Mr. LIEBELER. In other words, your testimony is that at end "B"?

Mr. PAINE. But my memory there is so feeble, so uncertain. I remember

this measurement of the pipe because I pictured that in my mind at the

time so I was thinking about that.

I was trying to fit the shovel in and I remember saying that is too

asymmetric. My impression was I would have said that there would have

been a fold over it. I have read since that Marina looked in the end

of this package and saw the butt end of a rifle. Now I didn't remember

that it was something easy to look into like that. I though it was well

wrapped up.

Mr. LIEBELER. In the testimony you have just given you have indicated

that the blanket was folded over the end of the object marked "B" on

our drawing.

Would you indicate approximately by a line which I will ask you to mark

"D" how far the blanket came up on the object itself, after it was

folded over, the "B" end, can you do that for us?

Mr. PAINE. This is totally unreliable as a memory. It was only based on

an impression that I thought it was well wrapped, in other words, dirt

wouldn't be sifting into the inside of the package. I put it under the

saw, right below where the saw sifts the sawdust out so I was concerned

not getting these things dirty. So I will draw a line here.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now, in the drawing you have made for us you have

indicated this object inside the package, you have drawn an object and

a package, and on your drawing the object ends before the end of the

package does, the steel pipe that you have drawn.

What impression did you have of what was in the rest of the package?

Mr. PAINE. I must have drawn my outline incorrectly. The line of this

pipe here shown didn't--the package. I must draw another package then.

The package must have sloped.

Mr. LIEBELER. Well, do you remember how it was?

Mr. PAINE. No; I don't remember the shape of the package. It was a

blanket, I mean it was a--reconstruct the blanket or something but this

is not a continuous pipe because it was loose, it was stuck through the

outline of the package, then I drew the package wrong then. I didn't

think of it all at one time, you know. I just had these individual

separate thoughts of trying to fit an object or objects that came to my

mind into this package.

Mr. LIEBELER. Your testimony is then that instead of drawing a new

package you think the object you have drawn inside the package should

have gone right to the end of the blanket?

Mr. PAINE. Yes; that 30 inches of pipe would have come close to the

edge of the blanket.

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