Mr. LIEBELER. You never placed another pipe----

Mr. PAINE. I had the idea there might have been more than one pipe here

or I didn't know where the other pipe might be.

Mr. LIEBELER. At the time you picked it up, at any time that you picked

it up, did you have the idea that there might be more than two pipes

inside the package.

Mr. PAINE. Well, I would never have mentioned camping equipment, you

see, without, you can't make anything without more than one pipe.

Mr. LIEBELER. Think of the configuration of the package or of the way

it acted when you moved it, was there any indication in that sense that

there was more than one pipe inside.

Mr. PAINE. No; I think it was a homogenous, that is to say it didn't

move one part with respect to another.

Mr. LIEBELER. Was it tied tightly?

Mr. PAINE. It was tied quite firmly. It seemed to me the blanket was

wrapped double or something that the blanket itself would have made two

pipes trying to hold still in the blanket.

Mr. LIEBELER. How wide was the package?

Mr. PAINE. Well, apparently, it was lopsided because I remember not

being able to fit the shovel in it, but if you are to draw that outline

or something, I think that would go around the blanket.

Mr. LIEBELER. Do you want to draw something additional here?

Mr. PAINE. It was smaller at this end. It was smaller at this one end

and that was generally the end that I carried in my right hand.

Mr. LIEBELER. Would you mark the area on the drawing that you are

indicating, mark it with an "A" on the drawing. And you indicate that

it was smaller at the end marked "A" than at the other end or it was

not as wide?

Mr. PAINE. I can't remember how it was wrapped at this end because

I could grab my hand around the paper whereas this end, I think was

folded over.

Mr. LIEBELER. You say that the blanket, you think the blanket was

folded over at the other end opposite from "A"?

Mr. PAINE. Yes; I don't know, there were two separate different

thoughts at the time.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now you have drawn a solid line completely around the

first drawing that you made on No. 1?

Mr. PAINE. Yes; I don't think I made this one, my solid line should be

much longer. It should have gone out there. I will scratch it out.

Mr. LIEBELER. Okay. The witness is scratching out the first line at end

"B" and drawing in another line.

Mr. PAINE. This is the widest dimension here, and I was indicating,

between 7 and 8 inches.

Mr. LIEBELER. Mark that "C".

Mr. PAINE. All right.

Mr. LIEBELER. Now the witness has stated that the dimension marked "C"

on the drawing was approximately 7 or 8 inches. Would you mark a "B"

at the end opposite from "A" on the drawing so we can keep the record

straight as to what we have been talking about?

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