WILLIAM IRVINE, examined

3619. You are a partner of the firm of Hay & Co., merchants in

Lerwick?-I am.

3620. You have been so for many years?-Yes.

3621. I presume you take a principal part in the management of the

affairs of that firm?-I do.

3622. In consequence of hearing that this inquiry had been

appointed to take place, you have prepared a written statement

with regard to the system pursued in the fish-curing business in

Shetland, which you now hand in?-Yes.

3623. It is a correct statement?-It is quite correct, to the best of

my knowledge.

[The following statement was put in by the witness:-]

I have had many years' experience of Shetland business generally,

and especially of the fish-curing trade. Most of the time I have

been connected with my present partners, and we have curing

stations and establishments at several parts of the islands. We also

manage four estates in the country-two as factors for the

proprietors, and two as lessees. For the first we only account for

the rents collected, but for the other two we pay fixed tack-duties.

The tenants on one of the estates for which we act as factors

are altogether free to fish where they choose, and to dispose of

their farm produce as they think proper, and their rents are

received in cash every year at Martinmas. The tenants on the

other, which I believe is next the largest in Shetland, are also free

(with the exception of the island of Whalsay, and Whalsay

Skerries); and we seldom see them unless when they come to town

to pay their rents. Some fish to one curer, and some to another, as

they find convenient; and they are quite at liberty to dispose of all

their produce, such as cattle, ponies, hosiery, and the like, where

they can obtain the best prices. We are not liable to the proprietor

for bad debts on this estate either, but the rents are generally well

paid, and very few of the tenants are in arrears.

In Whalsay there is only one curing station, and we pay the

proprietor a yearly rent for the stores, booths, kelp-shores, and

other privileges; and receive fish, oil, and kelp from the tenants,

for which we settle at the current prices of the country. We have a

factor there, with assistants, who manages for us, and supplies

fishing materials and other necessaries to the men and their

families during the year; and I usually go there myself soon after

Martinmas, to square up accounts, pay the balance due the

fishermen, and collect rents from the tenants. We also pay large

sums of money at all our other country stations. In 1870, when

north settling, I paid the men at Whalsay, after deducting their

advances, £1222; and I find from a state prepared by the factor,

that of fish, oil, and herrings received there that year, amounting to

£2529, 15s. 1d., we paid the men £1584, 12s. 9d. in cash. We

have not yet made up a similar account for 1871; but when settling

there lately, after retaining their advances, I paid them no less than

£1374. There are very few debts in the books there, and the

people are considered to be in good circumstances.

Of this estate I can speak with confidence, as the management

is more immediately in my department. There are 430 tenants on

the lands-nearly all fishermen and sailors. When we strike out of

the arrear list those tenants who have not had the opportunity of

paying their rents for last year,-two who are old and infirm, and

another who retains his balance for alleged improvements,-the

amount due for the three years it has been in our hands is only £57,

13s. 1d. None of the tenants have been warned or sold out.

Shetland fishermen have been represented as ignorant and

uneducated. This is a great mistake. They are as intelligent,

shrewd, and capable of attending to their own interest as any

similar class of men in Scotland. Many of them have sailed in all

quarters of the world. Newspapers are now circulated all over the

islands; and the Aberdeen, Leith, and Clyde Shipping Companies'

powerful steamers bring mails with great regularity twice a week

in summer, and once a week in winter; and in consequence of the

frequent communication, all sorts of farm produce have largely

increased in price. I have seen eggs selling in the islands at 11/2d.

for sixteen,-now the price is 10d. per dozen; butter 6d., now

1s. and 1s. 2d. per pound; fat cattle £3 each, now £6 to £7; ponies

40s., now £6 to £10.

In our dealings with fishermen, they are charged the same prices

for goods that we sell at for ready money to the public. We

employ a number of carpenters and other tradesmen here, all of

whom receive their wages in cash every Saturday night.

The Burra Islands are one of the properties which we hold in tack.

We have two curing stations in the islands for convenience of the

fishermen, and factors on the spot to receive the fish as they

are landed from the boats. The fishings are prosecuted on the

coasts in small boats in spring and summer, but the best of the men

are employed out of the islands, and the fishings are now very

unimportant. These men who fish out of the islands are employed

in smacks belonging to Hay & Co., and various other owners, and

prosecute the fishing on the coasts of Faroe and elsewhere, from

the end of March to the middle of August. Those who fish to us

get the same as those who are employed by others. The tenants of

these islands sell their cattle, ponies, hosiery, eggs, and all other

produce (except the few fish caught on the coast), as they like,

without let or hindrance. We have no shop in the islands, and the

men employed by us get their supplies from our stores here and at

Scalloway. Some years ago, after a time of bad crops and bad

fishings, when we had to give them large quantities of meal for

their support, and many of them were unable to pay rents, the

islands were indebted the best part of £1000. We made an attempt

at that time to get the young men to fish to us and assist their

parents, and I think in two cases we imposed fines of 20s.; but it

had a contrary effect to what we intended, and, so far as I

remember, the money was given back. I do not mention that the

men are confined to our stores. They can deal with any other curer

or shopkeeper they choose, and all our fishermen over islands can

do the same, and at settlement receive their season's earnings

wholly in cash. I believe this is the general practice; and were it

otherwise, there is the small-debt court, the sheriff court, and

several lawyers here to help them to their rights.

On the other estate referred to of which we are lessees, the

tenants who remain at home are nearly all employed in the ling

fishing. Some go south sailing, and pay their rents in cash, and we

never exercise any control over them; but as we pay the current

price to the tenants who remain at home, we insist on getting their

fish as a security for their rents, otherwise the improvident might

squander their earnings, and in some bad years be unable to pay.

We never interfere with any of the tenants' produce except fish, on

this estate more than the others. They are left to dispose of it

where they like.

We have other curing stations at different parts of the islands,

and employ a number of men and boys [Page 84] from all quarters

during the summer months, but after they settle, we have no

transactions with them till another year comes round, when they

return to our employment if they think they have been well served.

As already mentioned, we are engaged in the deep-sea cod fishing,

and, like others, send vessels to fish at Faroe, Rockall, and Iceland.

The crews are engaged on shares, and the fish are salted on board,

and afterwards landed at the curing stations in a wet state. When

ready for market, they are sold at the best price that can be

obtained, and, after deducting expenses and other charges

according to agreement, the proceeds are divided equally-

one-half to the owners, and the other to the crew. Fishings of all

kinds succeed best when the men are paid by shares. When they

are secured on monthly wages, there is no inducement for

exertion. The fishing season being short, the utmost activity is

necessary; and when the weather is favourable, the men are often

obliged to work day and night.

Shetland fishermen are not altogether dependent for their

livelihood on the produce of the fishings. In most cases they have

farms that can keep their families six to eight months, and with

good crops many of them have no occasion to buy meal the year

round. They cannot afford to use fresh beef, but, as a rule, most

families can kill a pig; and on the whole, in ordinary seasons, I

believe they have a much greater abundance of the necessaries of

life than a great many people of their class in the kingdom. They

are, without doubt, more independent and less under control than

mechanics and others (who are obliged to work under a master a

stated number of hours every day), and consequently are more

happy and contented. We have no international societies in

Shetland. Some of the dwelling-houses are not what they should

be, but a great improvement has taken place in this respect since

the timber-duty was repealed; and, for my own part, I would ten

times rather live a year in a Shetland cottage, surrounded by pure

air, than week in one of the slums of London or Glasgow.

Preparations for the ling fishing commence early in spring.

The men form themselves into crews, and appoint the most

experienced man as skipper. If they have no boat of their own,

one must be hired, or a new one built; but the lines in most cases

belong to themselves, and they always find curers ready to supply

them with what they want, on condition that they receive their fish.

No curer would be safe to make these advances, without the

men engaging to deliver their fish-a new boat alone costing

about £20 without lines, The price of the summer fish is seldom

fixed until the end of the season, when the fish are sold for the

south-country markets.

Fishermen are quite safe with this arrangement. They know the

competition between curers all over the islands is so keen, that

they are secure to get the highest possible price that the markets

can afford. Any curer that can offer a little advantage to the

fishermen over the others is certain to get more boats the following

year; and this is carried so far, that men with limited capital, in

their endeavours to obtain a large share of the trade by giving

credit and gratuities, in one way and another leave nothing to

themselves, and in the end come to grief. I have known crews to

be engaged at fixed prices before the commencement of the

fishing but as markets improved towards the end of the season, we

were obliged to throw the agreement aside and pay the same as

others, in order not to lose the men's services the following year.

When the fishing season is over and the fish prepared for market,

south-country dealers contract for it at prices free on board; and

with them again there is competition, so that curers seldom fail to

get the full value of the article.

People in the south, who have to pay perhaps 4s. to 7s. 6d. for

a fresh cod or ling, are surprised to hear that the poor Shetland

fishermen only get 6d. to 9d.; and we have had a great deal of

clever writing on this subject lately, without much common sense.

The shipping price of ling in the past season has been £23,-rather

higher than usual,-and fishermen have been paid 8s. per cwt.

wet, or about 9d. per fish. Although it has been rather a good year

for curers, the following statement will show that fortunes are not

rapidly accumulated in the trade:-

21/4 cwt. wet fish, cured ready for market,

weigh only 1 cwt.-21/4 cwt. @ 8s. £0 18 0

Add cost of salt, hire of vats, tubs, tarpaulins,

and other curing materials;

also wages to men and boys splitting,

washing, and drying; and expense of

flitting from beaches-weighing and

storing usually reckoned. . . 0 3 0

£1 1 0

21s. per cwt., or £21 per ton, leaving 40s. to the curer, out of

which he has to pay store rent, weighing, shipping, skippers' fees,

gratuities to fishermen, and to meet loss by small and damaged

fish, and of interest-the sales being made at three months in

October, and the men settled with in November; and further, when

the risk of sales is also taken into account, the sum left to

remunerate the curer for his season's work is not very large.

One great drawback on a Shetland business is fishermen's bad

debts, and our chief study is to limit the supplies when we know

the men to be improvident; but it is quite impossible to keep men

clear when the fishing proves unsuccessful. There is no difficulty,

however, when dealing with careful men.

At various stations round the islands near the fishing grounds,

where there are natural beaches, the men have small huts to live in

during the fishing season, and the crews assemble there about

the middle of May to commence operations. The merchants or

fish-curers have the necessary curing materials on the spot, and

factors, splitters, and beach boys attending to receive and cure the

fish; and, while the fishing is carried on, the men go to their

respective homes every Saturday, taking with them small and

unmerchantable fish for the use of their families-returning to the

stations, with provisions for the week, every Monday. They

generally make two or three trips during the week, according to the

state of the weather, and weigh and deliver over the catch when

they land. Their families get supplies from the factor's shop as

required; but the men have opportunities weekly of seeing their

accounts and can limit these supplies if they choose.

The Whalsay fishermen deliver their fish in summer, and live

at small holms to seaward of the main island near the fishing

ground, and a large boat is employed to remove their fish to the

beach at Simbister to be dried. The men are thus enabled to

make more voyages to the haaf than by landing each time at the

curing-beach.

As settling time approaches, our managers in the country

prepare by sending for the men, and reading over to them

individually their private accounts, comparing and making up

pass-books, where any are kept, and giving copies of the accounts

when desired; and when we come to settle, each man knows

exactly the amount of his season's expenditure.

If a ready-money system were adopted, and payments made in

cash for each landing, I believe it would scarcely be practicable

to carry it out. Large sums of money would require to be kept at

these stations,-men with some knowledge of figures and

accounts to be always present,-and half the fishermen's time

would be taken up with the settlements. The money would then

be carried home to their families, and in many cases at the end of

the season there would be little left to pay rent and provide

necessaries for the winter months, when there are no fishings,

and no work except at their own farms. Such a mode of dealing

would otherwise injure the men, as curers with small means

would be driven out of the trade, and in some measure competition

prevented.

From twenty-five to thirty years ago I had several opportunities

of seeing how the fishings were conducted Barra and South Uist.

At that time the fishermen were all living in wretched hovels along

the sea-coast, and the islands let for grazing cattle and in sheep

farms. Very few of them were able to keep a cow, and they knew

nothing of the luxuries of life, and could scarcely command a bare

existence. Their chief living in winter [Page 85] and spring was

potatoes not fit for pigs, and shell-fish, with any small fish they

could catch in the bays. There were plenty of fish on the coast, but

no middle-men with capital to encourage the men to work. In

summer they prosecuted the fishing a little distance outside of the

islands, where their buoys could be seen from the shore. Their

boats were clumsy and unmanageable-some with sails and some

without; and the lines were made by themselves out of hemp

obtained on credit, and only lasted one year. They were set on the

fishing ground at the commencement of the season, and seldom

taken up to dry. Now, however, I understand large capital is

embarked in the fishing trade in that quarter, and of late years it

has been very prosperous, and the circumstances of the natives

greatly improved.

In 1785 a Commissioner was sent by Government to inquire into

the state of the fisheries in the Hebrides, and in his report to a

committee of the House of Commons, on being asked 'whether he

thought it would be benefit to the lower classes of people if any of

the tacksmen or others were debarred by law from entering into a

contract with these people for obtaining the pre-emption of their

fish, etc., as specified in his report,' he answered, 'That, so far

from thinking it would be a benefit to the people, he should think

it would prove a material injury to them; for they have no other

possible way of being supplied with the necessaries they want

from distant markets but by the intervention of those persons who

keep stores in the manner described in the report; neither have

they in general any means of finding money to purchase boats and

other necessary apparatus for fishing; and that, unless they were

furnished by these storekeepers upon credit, very few of them

could engage in the fisheries at all; and, in the present situation of

that country, as they have no other possible way of paying the

debts they thus contract but by the fish they catch, no person

would furnish these upon credit unless they had the pre-emption of

them: that it has been already stated in the report, that this kind of

trade, though apparently very oppressive to the poor in all cases,

affords but very little profit to the merchants; and that he knew

several instances where the people who keep these stores, by

acting in a disinterested manner, have contributed very essentially

to promote the welfare of the country.'

Since that date the Shetland fisheries also have been largely

extended by the introduction of capital and the opening of stores

among the different islands, where the men can always obtain

fishing materials and supplies for their families; but to the present

day the answer still holds good: curers must have the pre-emption

of the fish, as a security for payment.

In the evidence before the Truck Commission in Edinburgh lately,

witnesses were examined who had little knowledge of Shetland

business, and many of the statements were not only contrary to

fact, but simply absurd. For instance, can any man of common

sense imagine that a merchant would come to grief in consequence

of not having enough of bad debts, and that if he could carry on

until he had £2000 of bad debts, he would do a flourishing trade,

'because they keep it going in a circle, and it never gets worse?'

That was one of the extraordinary statements made to the

Commission. Is it not clear that if a dealer with small means

emptied his shop of goods to people who could not pay for

them, then, as soon as the bills he had granted for these goods fell

due, he might shut it up?

As already mentioned, the Shetland fishing trade has been

largely developed by increased capital of late years, but in all

time past it has been conducted on the same principles, with few

modifications, as at present, and will be so, I think, in all time

coming. If the islands and their fishing banks could be removed to

near London, where the fish might be sold fresh at high prices, the

fishermen would be greatly benefited; but as this is impossible, we

must all submit to the inevitable. It is true, Government may

attempt to change the trade by Act of Parliament; but in that case

they will either have to remove the entire fishing population to

some other and better country, or keep them at home as paupers,

by annual grants for food and clothing.

We are not engaged in the hosiery trade; but I know it to be the

most troublesome business in the islands, being conducted chiefly

by barter. I think it could not be carried on very well to any extent

otherwise. We would be quite ready to embark in it and buy for

cash, if we could make a commission; but I do not believe it would

pay the expenses and servants' wages. Giving goods in exchange,

hosiers can afford to allow a much higher price for the articles

than we could for cash, and therefore very little of the trade would

come our way if we took it up.

Besides the fishing trade, we have acted a long time as agents

for ships engaged in the Greenland and Davis' Straits whale and

seal fishing. These vessels call here to complete their crews in

February and March; and when they return, the men are either

landed at Lerwick, or some other point of the islands as they pass

south. When they go out, the men are engaged at the shipping

office, and receive a month's wages in advance, in presence of the

shipping master, and the agents are reimbursed when they send the

accounts to the owners. When the ships return and the men are

landed, they disperse without a moment's delay (in most cases) to

their several homes, and come back to Lerwick to settle for their

wages and first payment of oil-money, individually, as it suits their

own convenience; and in the same way, a second time, to receive

the balance of their oil-money and sign the ship's release. This

may be better understood from the following correspondence that

took place the past year between Hay & Co. and one of the

Peterhead shipowners, in respect to a notice said to be issued by

the Board of Trade, headed 'Truck System in Lerwick:'-

'PETERHEAD, 16<th March> 1871.

'R. KIDD <to> HAY & CO.

'I enclose you letter I have received from H.M. Customs as

regards the engaging and paying of the men engaged in the

Greenland fishing ships. You will know how to act in regard to

this. You have likely received direct orders, and I only enclose it

to keep you in mind of it.'

The document to which Mr. Kidd's letter refers is given

below.*

* 'TRUCK SYSTEM IN LERWICK.

'It appears from the returns and documents received by the

Registrar-General of Seamen, that the indulgence granted by the

Board of Trade under their special regulations, M. 2884/1864, to

the owners and masters of sealing and whaling vessels, in respect

to seamen engaged at Orkney and Shetland, has in a great measure

been abused, and the whole object of the regulations defeated

by the agents employed by and representing the owners at

Lerwick. The Board of Trade are informed that many of the

Shetland seamen who should have been discharged before the

Superintendent there, within a reasonable time after their being

landed on the termination of a first or second voyage, remain

undischarged and unpaid even into the currency of the succeeding

year, and that some of the releases for 1870 still remain

incomplete.

'It should be borne in mind that the exceptional regulations

referred to were issued by the Board of Trade, with a view to the

convenience of the owners and masters of this class of vessels, and

the protection of the Shetland seamen; but as the latter intention

seems to have been purposely frustrated, the Board of Trade direct

you to inform the owners and masters of those vessels whose

crews are engaged before you during the ensuing season, that

unless they cause their agents to comply with the spirit as well as

the letter of these regulations, and discharge the men within one

month of their being landed, the Board will be necessitated either

to render the regulations more stringent, or withdraw them

altogether. If the latter alternative were adopted, the discharge of

the Orkney and Shetland whaling crews would have to take place

under the more rigid terms prescribed by the Merchant Shipping

Act, 1854, which of all other vessels at ports in the United

Kingdom.'

'CUSTOM HOUSE, PETERHEAD,

'10<th March> 1871

'SIR,-The foregoing is a copy of directions just received from

the Board of Trade, dated 7th March, regarding the faulty way in

which seamen are discharged from Peterhead whaling vessels at

Lerwick; and I now beg to call your attention thereto, requesting

that you would instruct your agent at Lerwick to attend to the

previous instructions issued, which were circulated among the

masters and agents when they were issued.

'W.R. BALFOUR.

'Mr. R. KIDD, Merchant.'

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'LERWICK, 27<th March> 1871.

'HAY & CO. <to> R. KIDD.

'We are duly favoured with your's of 16th instant, enclosing a

communication from the Board of Trade in reference to payment

of wages to Shetlandmen on board of ships in the Greenland trade,

and headed by the words, 'Truck in Lerwick,'-a cry raised by a

stranger who has taken up his residence in Shetland, and is now

endeavouring, by every means in his power, to make himself

prominent both here and elsewhere.

'We utterly deny that we have ever 'purposely frustrated' the

Board regulations in respect to the payment of these men; on the

contrary, we have kept a clerk, whose time has been chiefly

occupied in settling the wages in presence of the collector as they

came to town one by one, according to their own convenience; and

you know how far the commission we get from the ships can go

towards his salary. Nobody can compel the men to come to town

all at one time for their wages; and if the releases of 1870 are not

yet completed, it is not our fault.

'Without attaching any blame to you, we consider the document

referred to-if it is meant to apply to us-a gratuitous insult. The

Greenland agency is no great object, and after this season we shall

not put ourselves in a position to have it repeated.'

'PETERHEAD, 23<d March> 1871.

'R. KIDD <to> HAY & CO.

'I sent the document from the Board of Trade, in case you should

not have received a copy. I am of opinion that the men will

suffer more by this new order than the merchants, from the

experience I have had here. Were I not to give some credit to

some of our own men during the winter, their families would

starve. I do not wonder you feel sore upon the subject of the

report.'

'LERWICK, 27<th March> 1871.

'HAY & CO. <to> R. KIDD.

'We have yours of 23d instant. With respect to advances, our

people are differently circumstanced from yours. The married

men have all farms in the country, and the young men live with

their friends there, and we never see them from the time they settle

the one year until they come to town to engage the next; so during

the winter they neither ask, nor would we give them any supplies if

they did, as in all probability they would offer their services first to

agents who held no claim against them. Of the twenty men

engaged for the 'Mazinthien,' not one was due us a shilling, and

their month's wages was paid to them in cash at the shipping

office at the time they signed articles; and any advances their

families may get during their absence is given on their monthly

notes, which are the only authority we have for making the

deduction from their wages when they return.

'A great deal of absurdity has been written lately on this subject by

well-meaning people, but who were entirely ignorant of the whole

matter, and ready to believe whatever was told them, without

taking the trouble to ascertain whether it was true or false.'

'LERWICK, 22<d. May> 1871

'HAY & CO. <to> R. KIDD.

'Referring to your letter of 16th March, we now send you

enclosed abstract account of payments to Shetlandmen on board

vessels for which we have acted as agents during the past three

seasons, 1869, 1870, and 1871, to show how far we have benefited

by what the Board of Trade are pleased to call the 'Truck System

in Lerwick.'

'We are almost inclined to suppose the document now referred

to, received in your letter of the above date, was titled at

Peterhead, as we can scarcely believe it would be issued from a

public office in London before previous inquiry had been made on

the subject.

'As to signing the releases at the Custom House, neither the

owners nor agents of the ship can compel the men to come to

Lerwick for their wages, otherwise than they find it convenient for

themselves. It would save us much trouble if they would wait in

town a few hours after the ship's arrival, and receive their wages

all at once at the Custom House; or, when they happen to be

landed at a distance from Lerwick, if they could arrange to meet

together here for the purpose at the same time.

'While matters remain as at present, whether these releases are

signed or not, we can only do as we have always done in time past:

pay the men promptly when they call. The supplies mentioned in

the account now enclosed consist mostly of meal given to the

men's families to account of their half-pay notes, and on which the

profits cannot pay cellar rents, and servants' wages receiving and

delivering it; so that, beyond the 21/2 per cent. commission on the

wages, we have no inducement to continue in the trade.'

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