M. DUBOST: How many Norwegians died at Gross-Rosen?

CAPPELEN: In Gross-Rosen, it is not possible for me to say here exactly;

but I know about 40 persons who had been there, and I also know about

ten who came back again. Well, Gross-Rosen was a bad camp. But nearly

the worst of it all was the evacuation of Gross-Rosen. I suppose it must

have been in the middle of February of that year. The Russians came

nearer and nearer to Breslau.

THE PRESIDENT: You mean 1945?

CAPPELEN: Yes, 1945 I mean. One day we were placed upon a so-called

“Appellplatz” (roll call ground). We were very feeble, all of us. We had

hard work, little food, and all sorts of ill-treatment. Well, we started

to walk in parties of about 2,000 to 3,000. In the party I was with, we

were about 2,500 to 2,800. We heard so and so many when they took up the

numbers.

Well, we started to walk, and we had SS guards on each side. They were

very nervous and almost like mad persons. Several were drunk. We

couldn’t walk fast enough, and they smashed in the heads of five who

could not keep up. They said in German, “That is what happens to those

who cannot walk.” The others would have been treated in the same way if

they had not been able to follow. We walked the best we could. We

attempted to help one another, but we were all too exhausted. After

walking for 6 to 8 hours we came to a station, a railway station. It was

very cold and we had only striped prison clothes on, and bad boots; but

we said, “Oh, we are glad that we have come to a railway station. It is

better to stand in a cow truck than to walk, in the middle of winter.”

It was very cold, 10 to 12 degrees below zero (centigrade). It was a

long train with open cars. In Norway we call them sand cars, and we were

kicked on to those cars, about 80 on each car. We had to sit together

and on this car we sat for about 5 days without food, cold, and without

water. When it was snowing we made like this [_indicating_] just to get

some water into the mouth and, after a long, long time—it seemed to me

years—we came to a place which I afterwards learned was Dora. That is

in the neighborhood of Buchenwald.

Well, we arrived there. They kicked us down from the cars, but many were

dead. The man who sat next to me was dead, but I had no right to get

away. I had to sit with a dead man for the last day. I didn’t see the

figures myself, naturally, but about one-third of us or half of us were

dead, getting stiff. And they told us that one-third—I heard the figure

afterwards in Dora—that the dead on our train numbered 1,447.

Well, from Dora I don’t remember so much, because I was more or less

dead. I have always been a man of good humor and high spirited, to help

myself first and my friends; but I had nearly given up.

I do not remember so much before, so I had a good chance, because

Bernadotte’s action came and we were rescued and brought to Neuengamme,

near Hamburg; and when we arrived, there were some of my old friends,

the student from Norway who had been deported to Germany, other

prisoners who came from Sachsenhausen and other camps, and the few,

comparatively few, Norwegian “NN” prisoners who were living, all in very

bad condition. Many of my friends are still in the hospital in Norway.

Some died after coming home.

That’s what happened to me and my comrades in the three and

three-quarter years I was in prison. I am fully aware that it is

impossible for me to give details more than I have done; but I have

taken, so to say, the parts of it which show, I hope, the way they

behaved against Norwegians, and in Norway, the German SS.

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