M. DUBOST: What is your profession?

CAPPELEN: I was a lawyer, but now I am a business man.

M. DUBOST: Will you tell what you know of the atrocities of the Gestapo

in Norway?

CAPPELEN: My Lord, I was arrested on 29 November 1941 and taken to the

Gestapo prison in Oslo, Moellergata 19. After 10 days I was interrogated

by two Norwegian NS, or Nazi police agents. They started in at once to

beat me with bludgeons. How long this interrogation lasted I cannot

remember, but it led to nothing. So after some days I was brought to 32

Victoria Terrace. That was the headquarters of the Gestapo in Norway. It

was about 8 o’clock at night. I was brought into a fairly big room and

they asked me to undress. I had to undress until I was absolutely naked.

I was a little bit swollen after the first treatment I had by the

Norwegian police agents, but it was not too bad.

There were present about six or eight Gestapo agents and their leader

was Femer; Kriminalrat was his title. He was very angry and they started

to bombard me with questions which I could not answer. So Femer ran at

me and tore all the hair off my head, hair and blood were all over the

floor around me. And so, all of a sudden, they all started to run at me

and beat me with rubber bludgeons and iron cable-ends. That hurt me very

badly and I fainted. But I was brought back to life again by their

pouring ice water over me. I vomited, naturally, because I was feeling

very sick. But that only made them angry; and they said, “Clean up, you

dirty dog!” And I had to make an attempt to clean up with my bare hands.

In this way they carried on for a long, long time, but the interrogation

led to nothing because they bombarded me with questions and asked me of

persons whom I did not know or scarcely knew.

I suppose it must have been in the morning I was brought back again to

the prison. I was placed in my cell and felt very sick and weak. All

during the day I asked the guard if I could not have a doctor; that was

the 19th. After some days—I suppose it must have been the day before

Christmas Eve 1941—I was again, in the night, brought to the Victoria

Terrace. The same happened as last time, only this time it was very easy

for me to undress because I had only a coat on me. I was swollen up from

the last beating. Just like the last time, six, seven, or eight Gestapo

agents were present.

THE PRESIDENT: German Gestapo, do you mean?

CAPPELEN: Yes, German Gestapo, all of them. And then there was Femer

present at that time, too. He had a rank in the SS and was criminal

commissar. Then they started to beat me again, but it was useless to

beat a man like me who was so swollen up and looking so bad. Then they

started in another way, they started to screw and break my arms and

legs. And my right arm was dislocated. I felt that awful pain, and

fainted again. Then the same happened as last time; they poured water on

me and I came back again to life.

Now all the Germans there were absolutely mad. They roared like animals

and bombarded me with questions again, but I was so tired I could not

answer.

Then they placed a sort of home-made—it looked to me like a sort of

home-made—wooden thing, with a screw arrangement, on my left leg; and

they started to screw so that all the flesh loosened from the bones. I

felt an awful pain and fainted away again. But I came back to

consciousness again; and I have still big marks here on my leg from the

screw arrangement, now, four years afterwards.

So that led to nothing and then they placed something on my neck—I

still have marks here [_indicating_]—and loosened the flesh here. But

then I had a collapse and all of a sudden I felt that I was sort of

paralyzed in the right side. It has otherwise been proved that I had a

cerebral hemorrhage. And I got that double vision; I saw two of each

Gestapo agent, and all was going round and round for me. That double

vision I have had 4 years, and when I am tired it comes back again. But

I am better now, so I can move again on the right side; but the right

side is a little bit affected from that.

Well, I cannot remember much more from that night, but the other

prisoners who had to clean up the corridors in the prison had seen them

bringing me back again in the morning. That must have been about 6

o’clock in the morning. They thought I was dead because I had no irons

on my hands. If it had been for 1 day or 2 days, I can’t tell, but one

day I moved again and was a little bit clear; and then the guard at once

was in my cell where I was lying on a cot in my own vomiting and blood,

and afterwards there came a doctor.

He had, I suppose, quite a high rank; which rank I can’t exactly say. He

told me that I most probably would die, especially if I wasn’t—I asked

him, “Couldn’t you bring me to a hospital, because . . .” He said, “No.

Fools are not to be brought to any hospital, before you do just what we

say you shall do. Like all Norwegians, you are a fool.”

Well, they put my arm into joint again. That was very bad, but two

soldiers held me and they drew it in, and I fainted away again. So the

time passed and I rested a bit. I couldn’t walk, because it all seemed

to be going around for me. So I was lying on the cot. And so one day—it

must have been in the end of February or in the middle of February

1942—they came again. It must have been about ten o’clock in the night,

because the light in my cell had been out for quite a long time. They

asked me to stand up, and I made an attempt, and fell down again because

of the paralysis. Then they kicked me; but I said, “Is not it better to

put me to death, because I can’t move?”

Well, they dragged me out of the cell, and I was again brought up to

Victoria Terrace; that is the headquarters where they made their

interrogations. This time the interrogation was led by one SS man called

Stehr. I could not stand so, naked as I was, I was lying on the floor.

This Stehr had some assistants, four or five Gestapo agents; and they

started to tramp on me and to kick me. So all of a sudden they brought

me to my feet again and brought me to a table where Stehr was sitting.

He took my left hand like this [_indicating_] and put some pins under my

nails and started to break them up. Well, it hurt me badly; and all

things began going around and around for me—the double vision—but the

pain was so intense that I drew my hand back. I should not have done

that, because that made them absolutely furious. I fainted away,

collapsed, and I do not know for how long a time; but I came back to

life again by the smelling of burned flesh or burned meat. And then one

of the Gestapo agents was standing with a little sort of lamp burning me

under my feet. It did not hurt me too much, because I was so feeble that

I did not care; and I was so paralyzed my tongue could not work, so I

could not speak, only groaned a bit, crying, naturally, always.

Well, I don’t remember much more of that time, but this was to me one of

the worst things I went through with respect to interrogations. I was

brought back again to the prison and time passed and I attempted to eat

a little bit. I spewed most of it up again, I threw it up again, most of

it. But little by little I recovered. I was still paralyzed in the side,

so I couldn’t stand up.

But I was also taken into interrogations again, and then I was

confronted with other Norwegians, people I knew and people I did not

know; and the most of them were badly treated. They were swollen up, and

I remember especially two of my friends, two very good persons. I had

been confronted with them, and they were looking very bad from torture,

and when I came back again after my imprisonment I learned that they

both were dead; they had died from the treatment.

Another incident which I aim to tell—I hope My Lord will permit me to

do it—concerned a person called Sverre Emil Halvorsen. He was one

day—that must have been in the autumn or in August or October 1943—a

little bit swollen up and very unhappy; and he said they had treated him

so bad, but he and some of his friends had been in some sort of a court

where they had been told that they were to be shot the next day. They

placed a sort of sentence upon them, just to set an example.

Well, Halvorsen had, naturally, a headache and felt very ill, and I

asked the guard to bring—the head guard, that was a person named Herr

Götz. He came and asked what the devil I wanted. I said, “My comrade is

very ill, could not he have some aspirins?” “Oh no,” he said, “it is a

waste to give him aspirin, because he is to be shot in the morning.”

Next morning he was brought out of the cell, and after the war they

found him up at Trondheim together with other Norwegians in a grave

there with a bullet through his neck.

Well, the Moellergate 19, in Oslo, the prison where I was for about 25

months, was a house of horror. I heard every night—nearly every

night—people screaming and groaning. One day, it must have been in

December 1943, about the 8th of December, they came into my cell and

told me to dress. It was in the night. I put on my ragged clothes, what

I had. Now I had recovered, practically. I was naturally lame on the one

side, could not walk so well, but I could walk; and I went down in the

corridor and there they placed me as usual against the wall, and I

waited that they would bring me away and shoot me. But they did not

shoot me; they brought me to Germany together with lots of other

Norwegians. I learned afterwards about some few of my friends—and by

friends, I mean Norwegians. We were so-called “Nacht und Nebel”

prisoners, “Night and Mist” prisoners. We were brought to a camp called

Natzweiler, in Alsace. It was a very bad camp, I must say.

We had to work to take stones out of the mountains. But I shall not bore

you about my tales from Natzweiler, My Lord, I will only say that people

of all other nations—French, Russians, Dutch, and Belgians—were there

and we are about five hundred Norwegians who have been there. Between 60

and 70 percent died there or in other camps of concentration. Also, two

Danes were there.

Well, we saw many cruel things there, so cruel that they need—they are

well known. The camp had to be evacuated in September 1944. We were then

brought to Dachau near Munich, but we did not stay long there; at least,

I didn’t stay long there. I was sent to a Kommando called Aurich in East

Friesland, where we were about—that was an under-Kommando of

Neuengamme, near Hamburg. We were about fifteen hundred prisoners. We

had to dig tank traps. Well, we had to walk every day about 3 or 4

hours, and go by train for 1 hour to the Panzer Gräben where we worked.

The work was so strong and so hard and the way they treated us so bad,

that most of them died there. I suppose about half of the prisoners died

of dysentery or of ill-treatment in the five or six weeks we were there.

It was too much even for the SS, who had to take care of the camp, so

they gave it up, I suppose; and I was sent from Neuengamme, near

Hamburg, to a camp called Gross-Rosen, in Silesia; it is near Breslau.

That was a very bad camp, too. We were about 40 Norwegians there; and of

those 40 Norwegians we were about 10 left after 4 to 5 weeks.

THE PRESIDENT: You will be some little time longer, so I think we better

adjourn now for 10 minutes.

[_A recess was taken._]

M. DUBOST: M. Cappelen, will you continue to speak to us of your passage

through those camps, particularly of what you know of the camp of

Natzweiler and the role at Natzweiler of Dr. Hirt, Hirch, or Hirtz of

the German medical faculty of Strasbourg?

CAPPELEN: Well, in Natzweiler, yes, there were also carried on

experiments. Just beside the camp there was a farm they called Struthof.

That was practically a part of the camp; and some of the prisoners had

to work there to clean up the rooms; and—well not so often, but

sometimes—they were taken out. For instance, one day, I remember, all

the Gypsies were taken out, and then they were brought down to Struthof.

They were very afraid of being brought down there.

Well, one friend of mine, a Norwegian called Hvidding, who had a job in

the hospital—so-called hospital—in the camp, told me the day after the

Gypsies were taken and brought to Struthof, “I tell you something. They

have, so far as I understand, tried some sort of gas on them.”

“How do you know that?” I asked.

“Well, come along with me.”

And then, through the window of the hospital, I could see four of the

Gypsies lying in beds. They did not look well, and it was not easy to

look through the glass, but they had some mucus, I suppose, around their

mouths. And he told me that they had—Hvidding told me—that the Gypsies

could not tell much because they were so ill, but so far as he

understood, it was gas which they had used upon them. There had been 12

of them, and 4 were living; the other 8, so far as he understood, died

down there at Struthof. Then he told further on, “You see that man who

sometimes walks through the camp together with some others?”

“Well, I have seen him,” I said.

“That is Professor Hirtz from the German University in Strasbourg.”

I am quite sure Hvidding said that this man is Hirt or Hirtz. He is

coming here now nearly daily with a so-called commission to see those

who are coming back again from Struthof, to see the result. That is all

I know about that so far.

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