Mr. LIEBELER. His death?
Mr. ANDREWS. His death.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now my recollection from reviewing reports from the FBI
is that you first advised the FBI of this, telling them that you recall
that Clay Bertrand had called you at some time between 6 o'clock and
9 o'clock in the evening and spoke to you about this matter. Do you
remember telling the FBI about that?
Mr. ANDREWS. I remember speaking with them. The exact words, I do not,
but that's probably correct.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember what time approximately that Clay
Bertrand did call you?
Mr. ANDREWS. I will tell you: They feed around 4:30. By the time I got
fed, it was about 5 o'clock. They picked the tray up. So that's about
the right time. It's around that time.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now you said that after Clay Bertrand called you, you
called your secretary and asked her if she remembered the Oswald file;
is that correct?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes; she didn't remember Oswald at all. She knows that
occasionally these people walk in and out of the office and she had
remembered something, but nothing of any value.
Mr. LIEBELER. And do you remember that after you got out of the
hospital, you discussed with your secretary the telephone call that you
made to her at home?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. And do you recall that she said that she remembered that
you called her at approximately 4 o'clock on the afternoon of November
23, 1963?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now have you--let's take it one step further: Do you
also recall the fact that your private investigator spent most of that
afternoon with you in your hospital room?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes; he was there.
Mr. LIEBELER. He was there with you?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes; Preston M. Davis.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember approximately what time he left?
Mr. ANDREWS. No.
Mr. LIEBELER. Would it have been before you called your secretary or
afterwards?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Before you called?
Mr. ANDREWS. No; after.
Mr. LIEBELER. After you called your secretary?
Mr. ANDREWS. Let's see. He wasn't there when I made the phone call. He
wasn't there when Clay Bertrand called me, I am pretty sure, because he
would have remembered it if I didn't.
Mr. LIEBELER. You discussed it and he doesn't, in fact, remember that
you received the telephone call from Clay Bertrand?
Mr. ANDREWS. He wasn't there. While he was there, we received no call
from Clay Bertrand or no call concerning the office or business because
I would have talked to him about it.
Mr. LIEBELER. You say that he left before you called your secretary?
Mr. ANDREWS. I think he left around chow time, which, I think, is
around 4 o'clock. I could be wrong.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now after giving this time sequence that we have talked
about here the consideration that I am sure you have after discussing
it with the FBI, have you come up with any solution in your own mind
to the apparent problems that exist here? That is to say, that your
recollection is that you called your secretary after you received the
call from Clay Bertrand and you called your secretary at 4 o'clock,
which would indicate that you must have received the call from Clay
Bertrand prior to 4 o'clock, but you did not receive the call from
Mr. Bertrand while Mr. Davis was there, and he left at approximately
4 o'clock or shortly before you called your secretary, in addition to
which, you first recall receiving the call from Clay Bertrand some time
between 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock in the evening.
Mr. ANDREWS. Well, the time factor I can't help you with. It is
impossible. But I feel this: I wouldn't have called my secretary--if
I couldn't get her to verify it, I would tell you that I was smoking
weed. You know, sailing out on cloud 9.
Mr. LIEBELER. But, in fact, she did verify the fact that you did call
her?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes; I often thought it was a nightmare or a dream, but
it isn't. It's just that I can't place--other than what I told Regis
Kennedy and John Rice, the exact time I can't help you on. But if it
hadn't been for calling her and asking her----
Mr. LIEBELER. To look up the Oswald file or if she remembered the
Oswald file?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes; I would just say I have a pretty vivid imagination
and let's just forget it. Anything other than the law practice--I would
say that what Regis suspects is that I was full of that dope, but I
normally take certain steps, and this is the way I would have done it
is what I did. I called her. Had Davis been there when the call came
in, Davis would have been told, and he would have left the hospital,
went down to the office, and shook the office down for the file, and
called me from there before he went home. I know it couldn't have come
in while he was there. The only media of time that I can use is either
medication or food. Of course, being fat, I like food. I wasn't much
interested in food. They weren't feeding me too much, and I am pretty
sure it was after medication and food and the tray had been picked up
that the call came in.
Mr. LIEBELER. Of course, they fed you more than once up there?
Mr. ANDREWS. They feed three times a day, but they don't feed you
enough to keep a sparrow alive.
Mr. LIEBELER. Well, in any event, you are not able to clarify for us
the sequence of what happened?
Mr. ANDREWS. Well, the sequence of events had to be this: Davis spent
Saturday afternoon with me. He probably left just before chow, and then
I ate, and the phone call came in some time after chow. I am positive
it wasn't as late as 9 o'clock. I think the latest it could have been
is 6, but Miss Springer says I called her some time around 4, 4:30--I
don't know which.
Mr. LIEBELER. Miss Springer is your secretary?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now do you recall talking to an FBI agent, Regis L.
Kennedy, and Carl L. Schlaeger on November 25?
Mr. ANDREWS. I don't remember--Kennedy, yes; Schlaeger, no. I don't
even know if he was in the same room. I don't think I have even seen
him, much less talk to him.
Mr. LIEBELER. Kennedy was; yes?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. They usually go around in pairs?
Mr. ANDREWS. Well, they work in teams, so he's got to have been there.
Mr. LIEBELER. Now Kennedy came and visited you at the hospital; is that
correct?
Mr. ANDREWS. Right.