Mrs. GIBSON. When I went to visit there.
Mr. JENNER. That is when you went to visit Marina while she was staying
at the Hall's?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; when Lee and Gary and I went over there. That is the
first time I ever met her. But she was very friendly because she knew
my father, you know, and so it was a very friendly atmosphere.
Did Mrs. Hall give a fixed time of when Marina stayed with her?
Mr. JENNER. I can't say it was a fixed time, but she testified that it
was before she had her automobile accident.
Mrs. GIBSON. Well, what I am trying to fix in my mind is when Marina
stayed with me, you know.
Mr. JENNER. That is the 3 or 4 days?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I can't fix that in my mind at all now. I thought it
was when he was at the YMCA and then it couldn't have been because of
when the baby was baptized and when his birthday was. But it must have
been shortly before that, because it wasn't after that. So it must have
been before.
Mr. JENNER. Well, it wasn't on the 14th of October because you took him
to the YMCA on the 15th. Was Marina living with you then?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; not then, no. But she might have been shortly before
that. I believe she was at Mrs. Hall's then, wasn't she. Doesn't she
know where she was?
Mr. JENNER. Well, she has got some impressions; yes.
Mrs. GIBSON. I hope she does.
Mr. JENNER. I am trying to find out what you recall.
Mrs. GIBSON. Well, you know, I can't recall when she was there. I know
when she wasn't there now more than I did before, from placing his
birthday and the box and that, I know she wasn't there then.
Mr. JENNER. Wasn't where?
Mrs. GIBSON. At my place. I know she wasn't there then, because she
came to visit me from Fort Worth with Mrs. Hall. But how long she had
been with Mrs. Hall must not have been too long.
Mr. JENNER. The thing that bothers me, also, Mrs. Gibson, Mrs. Hall
entered the hospital on the 18th of October.
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. That is Lee's birthday. She was at your place the preceding
day?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think it was that night that she got in the accident.
That is why I said it was very shocking when I heard, you know, that
she had been in an accident.
Mr. JENNER. And at the time she had her accident, Marina was living
with the Halls'?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was living at Mrs. Hall's home?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Your husband Gary recalls that while Lee was at the YMCA,
that he came to visit at your home.
Mrs. GIBSON. That is possible.
Mr. JENNER. And his recollection was that Marina was with you at that
time.
Mrs. GIBSON. Well, she couldn't have been.
Mr. JENNER. All right. Could it be that she stayed with you for a few
days after he left the YMCA and before they moved into the Elsbeth
Street home or apartment?
Mrs. GIBSON. Well, I don't know how it could be possible, because when
we moved her from Fort Worth, she was at Mrs. Hall's. Now whether she
stayed with me while Mrs. Hall was in New York, she couldn't have
because she was, Mrs. Hall was in New York when we moved Marina, see,
and Marina was there.
Now, I suppose it is possible that she stayed with us, then, but I
remember she stayed with Mrs. Hall after the accident because Mrs. Hall
needed her. She couldn't get around. I know she was there before the
accident because of the baptism and Lee's birthday. So it leads me to
believe she was there the whole time, you know.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall when the Oswalds left the Mercedes Street
apartment?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I don't know when they left that. They moved, from
there they moved all her stuff to Mrs. Hall's.
Mr. JENNER. Right from the Mercedes apartment?
Mrs. GIBSON. I guess they must have. All the stuff was there.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall an occasion when your father moved Marina and
the baby from the Elsbeth Street apartment to Mrs. Meller's?
Mrs. GIBSON. No.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall the Oswalds living at 214 Neely Street?
Mrs. GIBSON. Where was that?
Mr. JENNER. That is just about a block from the Elsbeth Street
apartment, which they moved into from the Elsbeth Street apartment.
Mrs. GIBSON. That must have been after I left.
Mr. JENNER. Yes; it was.
Mrs. GIBSON. No.
Mr. JENNER. You just don't recall anything about that?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I wasn't there.
Mr. JENNER. Now, you do recall Marina staying 3 or 4 days.
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Can you grasp in your recollection why? What led up to that?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think it was the period before she went to Mrs. Hall's.
It must have been after Lee lost his job, or quit.
Mr. JENNER. In Fort Worth?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; and before he got the new one. It must have been
then. And I think it was while they were trying to find her a place to
live, while he was job hunting.
Mr. JENNER. And before he got his job with Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall?
Mrs. GIBSON. It must have been.
Mr. JENNER. On the 12th of October? You see that is a 4-day period,
Mrs. Gibson.
Mrs. GIBSON. Between when he lost his job and got his job?
Mr. JENNER. That is right.
Mrs. GIBSON. That is probably where she stayed then. I am not sure.
Mr. JENNER. The last day he worked at Leslie Welding was the
8th of October 1962. He became employed and went to work for
Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall on the 12th of October 1962.
Mrs. GIBSON. That probably was when she stayed with us, then. I just
don't have any recollection of when it was.
Mr. JENNER. Do you have any recollection that she came to stay with
you, the reason why? Was she having difficulty with Oswald? Was that
the reason, or was it because he was out of work?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think it was because he was out of work. I don't think
they had any money. I think my father lent them money, didn't he? I
don't know. Somebody must have given them money. It was Bouhe, that is
who it was who lent them money.
Mr. JENNER. It was only 4 days, Mrs. Gibson.
Mrs. GIBSON. No; but he had to have money to get started. He had to
have money to stay at the YMCA. He had to have money to get started,
and I know who gave him money. George Bouhe did.
Mr. JENNER. Yes; George Bouhe did, there is no question about that.
Mrs. GIBSON. Because I recall that. He gave him money, and he also had
the debt to pay to the American Embassy.
Mr. JENNER. Do you have any recollection as to where Oswald stayed
prior to the time that he went to the YMCA on the 15th of October, that
is between the 8th of October and the 15th of October? That is a week.
Mrs. GIBSON. No; all I know is he never did stay at our place overnight
ever.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall when you were looking for this address, was
it an address on North Beckley?
Mrs. GIBSON. It is possible that it was.
Mr. JENNER. Does that stimulate your recollection at all?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; it doesn't. I just know that Beckley is near the river.
Mr. JENNER. And you were looking in the area.
Mrs. GIBSON. Near the river; yes.
Mr. JENNER. Now, between the 19th of October and the 3d of November,
which was the day you picked up Oswald and Marina and the baby and took
them to the Elsbeth Street apartment, do you know where Oswald was
staying?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; but it was probably in that area where I was looking,
you know. I am not even sure who I was looking for, but it seems
possible. I don't know anybody else in Oak Cliff, you know. If that
is anywhere near the Jaggars Co., and I think it is, that is probably
where, and who we were looking for.
Mr. JENNER. Was Marina taken to the dentist to your knowledge other
than the first period, the first visit in August of 1962?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think she might have had another appointment. That
possibly could have been the other reason why she stayed with me, but I
am not positive. It seems to me you know by the dentist records if she
had. I remember she had teeth pulled. Now, how many--and, as I recall,
those first appointments led to a later appointment after her mouth had
healed. But I am not sure.
Mr. JENNER. Did Marina stay at the Halls' on more than one occasion,
that is periods?
Mrs. GIBSON. I don't believe so.
Mr. JENNER. Was it just one period?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think it was one period.
Mr. JENNER. Did it have anything to do with Mrs. Hall's accident?
Mrs. GIBSON. Why Marina stayed there, you mean, or why she left?
Mr. JENNER. Why she went there in the first instance.
Mrs. GIBSON. No; Mrs. Hall had not had her accident when Marina first
moved in.
Mr. JENNER. Was Mrs. Hall aware that Marina had stayed at your home?
Mrs. GIBSON. I think so. In fact, I could almost say positively she
must have been aware of it.
Mr. JENNER. What leads you to say that?
Mrs. GIBSON. Well, I mean she never knew that Marina and I knew each
other. She brought her to my place. I had told her that, I believe I
myself, told her that Marina had stayed with me. I mean it is just in
common conversation that she must have known. Didn't she know?
Mr. JENNER. Including this 3- or 4-day period?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; she must have known because that was before Marina
stayed with her. Does she know?
Mr. JENNER. She didn't mention it in her testimony.
Mrs. GIBSON. Am I the last one to testify?
Mr. JENNER. No. Mrs. Gibson, were you aware that Lee Oswald gave your
apartment address and your telephone number--when I say your I mean you
and your husband--when he was seeking employment in Dallas?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he asked Gary's permission and Gary said all right.
Mr. JENNER. That was in your presence?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was that permission requested before he went to the YMCA on
the 15th of October? He obtained his job at Jaggars, remember, on the
12th of October.
Mrs. GIBSON. I believe it was before. He said he needed to establish a
residence, and a place where people could get in touch with him, where
if there were any jobs coming up that they could get in touch with him
and call him and he would check with us and we would tell him if there
had been any calls for him or messages during the day.
Mr. JENNER. Now, were there any calls or messages?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; not that I recall. I don't believe there were.
Mr. JENNER. And do you recall him looking for work during this period?
That would be the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th of October.
Mrs. GIBSON. I really don't know. If he had a job, it doesn't seem that
he would be looking for a job.
Mr. JENNER. He was at the Texas Employment Commission on the 9th, 10th,
and 11th.
Mrs. GIBSON. Then probably he was. And if he gave our address and our
phone number; I am sure he was.
Mr. JENNER. But you don't recall where he was staying during that
period?
Mrs. GIBSON. No.
Mr. JENNER. The 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th?
Mrs. GIBSON. No.
Mr. JENNER. Could he have been staying at Hall's?
Mrs. GIBSON. Gee, it is possible, but I don't know.
Mr. JENNER. But you do recall that he did stay at the Hall's a good
deal or portions of the time that Marina was there?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he went there weekends, as I recall, when he was
working. He spent the weekends there.
Mr. JENNER. When he was working at Jaggars?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. So when he began to work at Jaggars, which was the 12th
of October, up to the 3d of November when you and your husband, Mr.
Taylor, took the Oswalds to the Elsbeth Street apartment, he visited at
the Hall's on weekends?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. So there was some place he was staying then himself during
that period?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; there must have been.
Mr. JENNER. Did Mrs. Hall live in Fort Worth?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And Fort Worth is approximately 30 miles?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. From Dallas, isn't it?
Mrs. GIBSON. He didn't stay in Fort Worth.
Mr. JENNER. He stayed in Dallas?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. But you can't recall still where he stayed in Dallas?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; I have no idea.
Mr. JENNER. But it is now your definite recollection that he did stay
in Dallas?