Mr. JENNER. That had been Secretary of the Navy.
Mrs. GIBSON. That had been Secretary of the Navy, was it? Well, for
some reason Lee just didn't like him. I don't know why, but he didn't
like him.
Mr. JENNER. Would this refresh your recollection, that the subject
of Governor Connally arose in connection with something about Lee's
discharge from the Marines?
Mrs. GIBSON. I don't recall. I just know Lee never spoke too much about
why he left the Marines or anything like that. I don't know. Maybe it
was a dishonorable discharge, I don't know. All I know is that it was
something he didn't talk about. And there was a reason why he did not
like Connally.
Mr. JENNER. Whatever the reason was, he didn't articulate the reason
particularly?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; he just didn't like him.
Mr. JENNER. But you have the definite impression he had an aversion to
Governor Connally?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; but he never ever said a word about Kennedy.
Mr. JENNER. Did you answer?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; I did; yes.
Mr. JENNER. Your answer is yes?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. That he did have a definite aversion?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. To Governor Connally as a person?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And did he speak of that reasonably frequently in these
discussions?
Mrs. GIBSON. No; not really, no. He didn't bring it up frequently.
Mr. JENNER. But he was definite and affirmative about it, was he?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; he didn't like him.
Mr. JENNER. Was General Walker ever discussed?
Mrs. GIBSON. No, no.
Mr. JENNER. Were there any discussions in these political arguments
between your husband Gary and Lee Oswald about, oh, the American Civil
Liberties Union, the Birch Society, people having, let's say, extreme
right viewpoints or left viewpoints?
Mrs. GIBSON. Gary was quite a Democrat, and he disliked the Birch
Society intensely. So every once in a while they would come into the
conversation, being that Gary felt so personal about them. He didn't
like them at all. And Gary once in a while would make a comment, "Oh,
he is a Bircher," I can't name any particular person, but just somebody
in particular.
I think Dallas is a fairly Republican city. No, there was nothing ever
about any of the different factions, or right or left wing. Just I know
Gary disliked the Birchers. As I recall, I don't think Lee had much
to say about them. I think maybe he liked more radical people than we
did, you know, the normal straight down the middle or conservative or
something.
Mr. JENNER. Were there occasions when you saw either of the Oswalds at
your father's home?
Mrs. GIBSON. No.
Mr. JENNER. Were there occasions when your father and your stepmother
brought either of the Oswalds to your apartment other than those you
have already testified about?
Mrs. GIBSON. Not that I recall, no.
Mr. JENNER. Do you recall seeing Oswald on the day before he moved into
the YMCA? He moved into the YMCA on Monday, October 15. Did you see him
the previous day, Sunday?
Mrs. GIBSON. I don't know. I really don't know.
Mr. JENNER. But you do recall taking him to the YMCA?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mrs. JENNER. On Monday, the 15th?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes; we might have. I don't know.
Mr. JENNER. Did you go and pick up Oswald at Mrs. Hall's when you took
him to the YMCA, or did he just come by your apartment?
Mrs. GIBSON. I can't remember where we picked him up, but I know we
didn't go to Fort Worth to pick him up, no. It could have been at the
bus station.
Mr. JENNER. But you went somewhere to pick him up is your recollection?
Mrs. GIBSON. We could have gone somewhere. He could have come to our
apartment. I don't recall.
Mr. JENNER. You were aware of Marina staying with the Halls?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Hall?
Mrs. GIBSON. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Were you aware of her going to attend to Mrs. Hall; to do
that before she actually went to live with Mrs. Hall?
Mrs. GIBSON. I might have heard something about it from my father. I
don't know.
Mr. JENNER. But you did not hear it from Mrs. Hall?
Mrs. GIBSON. I didn't know Mrs. Hall until I met her through Marina.