146. There were seen some spirits who were like what they had been

during their abode as men on their earth. They had faces not unlike

the faces of the men of our Earth, except that their eyes and nose

were small. As this appeared to me something of a deformity, they said

that with them small eyes and a small nose are considered a beauty.

A female was seen, clothed in a gown ornamented with roses of various

colours. I asked whence they procured for themselves materials for

clothing on that earth. They answered that they gather from certain

plants substances which they spin into thread; and that they then at

once lay the threads in double and triple rows, moistening them with

a glutinous water to give them consistence. Afterwards they colour

the cloth, thus prepared, with the juices of herbaceous plants. It

was also shown me how they prepare the thread. The women sit down on

a seat, with their backs bent, and twist the threads with their toes;

and when twisted they draw the threads towards them, and work them

with their hands.

147. They said also, that on that earth a husband has only one wife,

and no more; and that they beget from ten to fifteen children. They

added, that there are likewise found harlots on that earth; but that

these, after the life of the body, when they become spirits, are

sorceresses, and are cast into hell.

THE THIRD EARTH IN THE STARRY HEAVEN, AND ITS SPIRITS AND INHABITANTS.

148. There appeared some spirits at a distance, who were unwilling

to approach. The reason was, that they could not be together with the

spirits of our Earth who were then about me. From this I apperceived

that they were from another earth; and I was told afterwards that they

were from a certain earth in the universe; but where that earth is,

was not made known to me. These spirits, unlike the spirits from our

Earth, were absolutely unwilling to think about their body, or even

about anything corporeal and material; hence it was that they were

unwilling to approach; yet, after the removal of some of the spirits

of our Earth, they drew nearer, and spoke with me. But then there

was a sense of anxiety arising from the collision of the spheres; for

spiritual spheres surround all spirits and societies of spirits[cc];

and since they emanate from the life of the affections and the

consequent thoughts, therefore where the affections are contrary

collision takes place, and hence arises anxiety. The spirits of our

Earth related, that they dare not even approach them; since, on their

approach, they are not only seized with anxiety, but also appear to

themselves as if they were bound hand and foot with serpents, from

which they cannot be freed till they have departed. This appearance

takes its origin from correspondence; for the spirits of our Earth,

in the Grand Man, have relation to external sense, consequently to the

corporeal Sensual, and this Sensual is represented in the other life

by serpents[xx].

[Footnote xx: The external Sensual of man in the spiritual world is

represented by serpents, because it is in the lowest [parts], and

relatively to the more interior things in man, lies on the ground, and

as it were creeps; and on this ground they were called serpents who

reasoned from that Sensual, nos. 195-197, 6398, 6949.]

149. As the spirits of that earth are such, they appear in the eyes

of other spirits, not in a distinct human form, as others do, but as

clouds, in most cases like a dusky cloud, with the fair human colour

interspersed; but they said, that within they are fair, and that when

they become angels, this duskiness is changed into a beautiful blue;

which was also shown me. I asked whether, during their life as men in

the world, they had entertained such an idea respecting their bodies.

They replied that the men of their earth make no account of their

bodies, but only of the spirit in the body, because they know that the

spirit will live for ever, but that the body must perish. They said

also, that many on their earth believe that the spirit of the body has

existed from eternity, and that it was infused into the body when they

were conceived; but they added, that now they know that it is not so,

and that they repent of having ever been in so false an opinion.

150. When I asked them whether they would like to see any objects on

our Earth, informing them that it was possible to do so through my

eyes (see above, no. 135), they answered first, that they could not,

and afterwards, that they would not, because the things that they

would see would be only earthly and material things, from which they

remove their thoughts as much as possible. But nevertheless, there

were represented before them magnificent palaces, resembling those

on our Earth possessed by kings and princes; for such things can

be represented before spirits, and, when they are represented, they

appear exactly as if they existed. But the spirits from that earth

esteemed them as nothing, calling them marble images; and then they

related that they have more magnificent things belonging to them,

which are their sacred temples, built not of stone but of wood. When

it was objected that these were still earthly objects, they replied

that they were not earthly, but heavenly, because when they gaze upon

them they have not an earthly but a heavenly idea; believing that

after death they should also see like objects in heaven.

151. They then represented their sacred temples before the spirits

of our Earth, who declared that they had not seen anything more

magnificent; and as they were also seen by me, I can therefore

describe them. They are constructed of trees not cut down, but growing

in the place where they first took root. They said that on that earth

there are trees of a wonderful size and height; these they set in rows

from the first, so that they may form porticos and colonnades; and by

cutting and pruning, they fit and prepare the tender shoots, so that

as they grow they may interlace and join together so as to form the

groundwork and floor of the temple to be constructed, and to rise at

the sides to form the walls, and above to bend into arches to form

the roof. In this manner they construct the temple with admirable art,

raised high above the ground. They also prepare an ascent into it by

successive branches of the trees, extended from the trunk and firmly

connected together. Moreover, they adorn the temple without and within

in various ways, by disposing the foliage into forms: thus they build

entire groves. But it was not permitted me to see the character of

these temples within: I was only told that the light of their sun is

let in by apertures amongst the branches, and is transmitted here

and there through crystals, by which means the light falling upon the

walls is varied in colours like those of the rainbow, especially blue

and orange, of which they are fondest. Such are their architectural

works, which they prefer to the most magnificent palaces of our Earth.

152. They said further, that the inhabitants do not dwell in high

places, but on the earth in lowly cottages, for the reason that high

places are for the Lord who is in heaven, and lowly places for men

who are on earth. Their cottages were also shown me. They were oblong,

having within along the walls a continuous couch, on which they lie

one behind another. On the side opposite to the door is a rounded

alcove, before which is a table, and behind the table a fire-place, by

which the whole chamber is lighted. In this fire-place, there is not

a burning fire, but a luminous wood, which gives out as much light as

the flame of a common fire does. They said that in the evening these

logs of wood appeared as if they had in them the fire of live coals.

153. They said that they do not live as societies, but as households

by themselves; and that they are societies when they meet for worship;

that on these occasions those who teach walk within the temple, and

the rest in the porches at the sides; and that at their meetings they

experience interior joys, arising from the sight of the temple, and

from the worship celebrated therein.

154. In respect to Divine worship, they said that they acknowledge

a God under the Human Form, consequently our Lord; for all who

acknowledge the God of the universe under the Human Form are accepted

and led by our Lord: the rest cannot be led, because they think apart

from a form. They added, that the inhabitants of their earth

are instructed about the things of heaven by a certain immediate

intercourse with angels and spirits, into which they may be brought by

the Lord more easily than others, because they reject corporeal

things from their thought and affection. I asked what becomes of those

amongst them who are evil. They told me that on their earth no wicked

person is allowed to exist; but if any one thinks and does evil, he

is reprimanded by a certain spirit, who threatens him with death if he

persists in doing so; and if he persists, he dies by a swoon; and that

by this means the men of that earth are preserved from the contagion

of evils. A certain spirit of this character was also sent to me:

he spoke with me as if with those [evil ones]: he moreover inflicted

something of pain in the region of my abdomen, saying that this is

what he does to those who think and do evil, and that he threatens

them with death if they persist. I was also told that they who profane

holy things are grievously punished; and that before the punishing

spirit comes, there appears to them in vision the gaping mouth of

a lion, of a livid colour, which seems as if it would swallow their

head, and tear it asunder from the body, whence they are seized with

horror. They call the punishing spirit the devil.

155. As they were desirous to know how the case is on our Earth in

regard to revelation, I told them that it is effected by means of

writing and preaching from the Word, and not by immediate intercourse

with spirits and angels; and that what is written can be published by

printing, and thus be read and comprehended by whole societies, and

that thus the life can be amended. They were exceedingly surprised

that such an art, utterly unknown elsewhere, could exist on our

Earth; but they comprehended that on this Earth, where corporeal

and terrestrial things are so much loved, Divine things could not

otherwise inflow from heaven and be received; and that it would be

dangerous for such beings to converse with angels.

156. The spirits of that earth appear above, in the plane of the head,

towards the right. All spirits are distinguished by their situation

relatively to the human body; and this is a consequence of the

universal heaven corresponding with all things of man[f]. These

spirits keep themselves in that plane, and at that distance,

because their correspondence is not with the externals, but with the

interiors, belonging to man. Their action is upon the left knee, above

and a little below, with a certain vibration very sensibly felt. This

is a sign that they correspond with _the conjunction of natural things

and heavenly things_.

THE FOURTH EARTH IN THE STARRY HEAVEN, AND ITS SPIRITS AND

INHABITANTS.

157. I was conducted to yet another earth which is in the universe

beyond our solar system, which was effected by changes of the state

of my mind, consequently as to the spirit; for, as has already been

repeatedly observed, a spirit is conducted from place to place no

otherwise than by changes of the state of his interiors, which changes

appear to him in all respects as advancements from place to place, or

as journeyings. These changes lasted continuously for about ten hours

before I came from the state of my life to the state of their life,

thus before I arrived there as to my spirit. I was conveyed towards

the east, to the left, and seemed to be gradually elevated from

a horizontal plane. I was also permitted to observe clearly the

progression and advance from my former place, till at length those

from whom I had departed no longer appeared; and in the meantime I

spoke on various subjects with the spirits who were with me. A certain

spirit was also with us who, during his life in the world, had been

a prelate and a preacher, as well as a very pathetic writer. From

my idea concerning him, my spirit-companions supposed he was more

a Christian at heart than the rest; for in the world an idea is

conceived and a judgment formed from the preaching and writing,

and not from the life, if this is not manifest; and if anything

inconsistent appears in the life, it is nevertheless excused; for the

idea or thought and perception concerning any one draws everything to

its side.

158. After this I observed that I was, as to my spirit, in the starry

heaven, far beyond our solar system; for this can be observed from the

changes of state and the consequent apparent continued progression,

which had lasted nearly ten hours. At length I heard spirits

conversing near some earth, which also I afterwards saw. When I had

come near them, after some conversation they said that strangers

sometimes come to them from other places, who converse with them

concerning God, and confuse the ideas of their thought. They also

pointed out the way by which they came, from which it was perceived

that they were of the spirits of our Earth. On being questioned then

as to the confusion caused in their ideas, they said it arose from

those spirits saying that they ought to believe in a Divine Being

distinguished into three persons, whom they nevertheless call one

God; and on examining the idea of their thoughts, it is exhibited as

a trine, not continuous hut discrete, with some as three persons

conversing with each other, and with some as two seated together, one

near the other, and a third listening to them and going from them;

and although they call each person God, and have a different idea

concerning each, they still say there is but one God. They complained

exceedingly, that they had thrown them into a confusion of ideas, by

thinking of three and speaking of one, when nevertheless one ought to

think as one speaks, and speak as one thinks. The spirit who in the

world had been a prelate and a preacher, and who was also with me,

was then examined as to the character of the idea he entertained

respecting one God and three persons: [and it was found that] he

represented to himself three gods, which, however, made one by

continuity. He, however, exhibited this Three in One as invisible

because it was Divine; and while he was exhibiting this, it was

perceived that he was then thinking only of the Father, and not of the

Lord, and that his idea concerning the invisible God was no other but

as of nature in its first principles, from which idea it resulted that

the inmost of nature was his Divine, so that he might easily be led

from this to acknowledge nature as God. It is to be borne in mind,

that the idea which any person entertains on any subject is, in

the other life, exhibited to the life, and through it every one is

examined as to the character of his thought and perception on matters

of faith; and that the idea of the thought concerning God is the chief

of all, for through it, if genuine, conjunction is effected with the

Divine, and consequently with heaven. They were afterwards questioned

concerning the nature of their idea respecting God. They replied that

they did not conceive of an invisible God, but of a God visible under

the Human Form; and that they knew this not only from an interior

perception, but also from the fact, that He has appeared to them as a

Man. They added that if, according to the idea of some strangers, they

were to conceive of God as invisible, consequently without form and

quality, they would not be able to think about God at all, inasmuch as

such an invisible [being] does not fall into any idea of thought. On

hearing this, it was given me to tell them that they do well to think

of God under the Human Form, and that many on our Earth think in like

manner, especially when they think of the Lord; and that the ancients

thought in no other way. I then told them about Abraham, Lot, Gideon,

Manoah and his wife, and what is related of them in our Word, namely,

that they saw God under the Human Form, and acknowledged Him, thus

seen, to be the Creator of the universe, and called Him Jehovah, and

this also from an interior perception; but that at the present day

that interior perception is lost in the Christian world, and only

remains with the simple who are in faith.

159. Previous to this conversation, they had believed that our company

also consisted of those who want to confuse them by the idea of three

in relation to God; wherefore, on hearing what was said, they were

affected with joy, and said that God, whom they then called the Lord,

had also sent some to teach them concerning Him; and that they are

unwilling to admit strangers who disturb them, especially with the

idea of three persons in the Divinity, knowing as they do that God

is One, consequently that the Divine is One, and does not consist of

three in unanimity, unless they are disposed to think of God as of an

angel, in whom there is an Inmost of life which is invisible, and from

which he thinks and is wise; an External of life, which is visible

under a human form, from which he sees and acts; and a Proceeding

of life, which is the sphere of love and of faith from him; for from

every spirit and angel there proceeds a sphere of life by which he is

known at a distance[cc]; and as to the Lord, that that Proceeding of

life from Him is the Divine itself which fills and constitutes the

heavens, because it proceeds from the very Esse of the life of love

and of faith. They said that in this and in no other manner can they

perceive a trinity and unity together. On hearing this, it was given

me to say that such an idea of a trinity and unity together agrees

with the angelic idea concerning the Lord, and that it is from the

Lord's own doctrine concerning Himself. For He teaches that the Father

and Himself are One; that the Father is in Him and He in the Father;

that he who seeth Him seeth the Father; and he who believeth in

Him believeth in the Father and knoweth the Father; also that the

Comforter, whom He calls the Spirit of Truth, and likewise the Holy

Spirit, proceeds from Him, and does not speak from Himself but from

Him, by which Comforter is meant the Divine proceeding. I was further

permitted to tell them that their idea concerning a trinity and unity

together agrees with the Esse and Existere of the Lord's life when He

was in the world. The Esse of His life was the Divine Itself, for He

was conceived of Jehovah, and the Esse of every one's life is that

of which he is conceived; the Existere of life from that Esse is the

Human in a form. The esse of the life of every man, which he has

from his father, is called the soul, and the existere of life thence

derived is called the body. Soul and body constitute one man. The

likeness between them resembles the likeness between that which is

in endeavour and that which is in the resulting act, for an act is

endeavour acting, and thus the two are one. Endeavour in man is called

the will, and endeavour acting is called action; the body is the

instrumental, by means of which the will, which is the principal,

acts, and in acting the instrumental and principal are a one. Such is

the case with soul and body. And such is the idea which the angels in

heaven have concerning soul and body: hence they know that the Lord

made His Human Divine from the Divine in Himself, which to Him was

the Soul from the Father. Neither is the faith which is received

throughout the Christian world in opposition to this idea, for it

teaches, that "_Although Christ is God and Man, yet He is not two, but

one Christ;... yea, He is altogether One by unity of Person; for as

body and soul are one man, so also God and man are one Christ_"[yy].

As there was such a union or such a oneness in the Lord, therefore He

rose again, not only as to the Soul, but also as to the Body, which He

glorified in the world, which is not the case with any man; on which

subject He also instructed His disciples, saying, "_Feel Me and see,

for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have_" [(Luke

xxiv. 39)][zz]. This was clearly understood by those spirits, for

such truths fall into the understanding of angelic spirits. They then

added, that the Lord alone has power in the heavens, and that the

heavens are His; to which it was given me to answer, that this also

is known to the Church on our Earth from the mouth of the Lord Himself

before He ascended into heaven; for He then said, "_All power is given

unto Me in heaven and on earth_" [(Matt, xxviii. 18)].

[Footnote yy: From the Creed of Athanasius.]

[Footnote zz: Immediately after death, man rises again as to his

spirit; and he is in the human form, and he is a man as to all things

in general and particular, nos. 4527, 5006, 5078, 8939, 8991, 10594,

10597, 10758. Man rises again only as to the spirit, and not as to

the body, nos. 10593, 10594. The Lord alone rose again as to the body

also, nos. 1729, 2083, 5078, 10825.]

160. I afterwards conversed with those spirits concerning their earth;

for all spirits can do this when their natural or external memory is

opened by the Lord; for this they carry with them from the world, but

it is not opened except at the Lord's good pleasure. Respecting their

earth, from which they had come, the spirits then said that when leave

is given them, they appear to the inhabitants, and converse with

them, as men; and that this is effected by their being let into their

natural or external memory, and consequently into such a thought

as they had been in when they lived in the world; and that on such

occasions the inhabitants have their interior sight or the sight of

their spirit opened, by which they see the spirits. They added, that

the inhabitants know no otherwise than that they are men of their

earth, and only apperceive they are not when they are suddenly removed

from their sight, I told them that the same thing also happened on our

Earth in ancient times, as, for instance, to Abraham, Sarah, Lot, the

inhabitants of Sodom, Manoah and his wife, Joshua, Mary, Elizabeth,

and the prophets generally; and that the Lord appeared in like manner,

and they who saw Him knew no otherwise than that He was a man of the

earth, till He revealed Himself. But that at the present day this

rarely happens; the reason is, lest men by such things should be

compelled to believe; for compelled faith, such as is the faith

which enters by means of miracles, does not inhere, and would also be

hurtful to those with whom faith may be implanted by means of the Word

in a state without compulsion.

161. The spirit, who had been a prelate and a preacher in the world,

entirely disbelieved that any other earths existed besides our own,

because he had thought in the world that the Lord was born on this

Earth alone, and that without the Lord none could be saved; wherefore

he was reduced into a state similar to that into which spirits are

reduced when they appear on their own earth as men (which state has

been treated of just above); and thus he was let into that earth,

so that he not only saw it, but also conversed with the inhabitants

there. This done, a communication was by this means granted me also,

so that I likewise saw the inhabitants, and also some objects on that

earth (see above, no. 135). There appeared then four kinds of men, but

one after the other in succession; the first I saw were clothed; the

second were naked, of a human flesh colour; the next were naked, but

with flame-coloured bodies; and the last were black.

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