126. That there are many systems, may appear to every one from the

fact that so many stars appear in the universe; and it is known in the

learned world that every star is like a sun in its own place, for it

remains fixed as the sun of our Earth does in its place; and that it

is the distance that makes it appear in so small a form as a star;

consequently, that, like the sun of our system, each star has planets

around it, which are earths; and that the reason why these do not

appear before our eyes is on account of their immense distance, and

because only the light from their own star reaches us, which light

cannot be again reflected from the planets so far as to reach us. To

what other purpose could so great a heaven with so many constellations

be intended? For the end of the creation of the universe is man, that

from man there may be an angelic heaven; but what would a human

race, and from it an angelic heaven, from one single earth, be for

an Infinite Creator, for whom a thousand, yea tens of thousands of

earths, would not suffice? It has been calculated that, supposing

there were in the universe a million earths, and on every earth three

hundred million men, and two hundred generations within six thousand

years, and that to every man or spirit there were to be allotted a

space of three cubic ells, the sum of that great number of men or

spirits would not occupy a space equal to a thousandth part of this

Earth, consequently hardly the space occupied by one of the satellites

of the planet Jupiter or Saturn: which would be a space in the

universe so small as to be scarcely discernible; for a satellite [of

Jupiter or Saturn] is scarcely visible to the naked eye. What would

this be for the Creator of the universe, for whom the whole universe,

even if it were completely filled, would not be enough, for He is

Infinite. In conversing with the angels on this subject, they have

told me that they have a similar idea of the fewness of the human race

relatively to the infinity of the Creator; but that, nevertheless,

they do not think from spaces, but from states, and that according

to their idea, earths numbering as many myriads as could ever be

conceived in thought would still be as absolutely nothing to the Lord.

The earths in the starry heaven, however, shall now be treated of in

what follows from real experience; from which it will likewise be made

manifest how the translations to these earths were effected as to my

spirit, whilst my body remained in its own place.

THE FIRST EARTH IN THE STARRY HEAVEN, AND ITS SPIRITS AND INHABITANTS:

FROM THINGS HEARD AND SEEN.

127. I was led by the Lord by means of angels to a certain earth

in the starry heaven, where it was given me to gaze upon the earth

itself, yet not to speak with the inhabitants of it, but with spirits

who had come from it. All the inhabitants or men of every earth, on

the termination of their life in the world, become spirits, and remain

near their own earth. From them, however, information is obtained

concerning their earth and the state of its inhabitants; for men,

when they quit the body, carry with them all their former life and all

their memory[tt]. Being led to earths in the universe does not mean

being led and translated thither as to the body, but as to the spirit;

and the spirit is led through variations of the state of the

inner life, which appear to it as progressions through spaces[ss].

Approaches, also, are effected according to the agreements or

likenesses of the states of life; for agreement or likeness of life

conjoins, and disagreement and unlikeness disjoin. From this it may

appear how translation as to the spirit is effected, and how it is

made to approach distant regions, while the man, nevertheless, remains

in his own place. But to lead a spirit outside of his own globe

through variations of the state of his interiors, and to cause the

variations to proceed successively until a state is reached which

agrees or coincides with the state of those to whom he is being led,

is in the power of the Lord alone; for there is needed a continual

direction and foresight from first to last, both on the journey

thither, and on the return journey, especially when this is to be

effected with a man who is still as to the body in the world of

nature, and thereby in space. That this has actually been effected,

those who are in corporeal sensual things, and who think from them,

cannot be induced to believe. The reason is that the corporeal sensual

[faculties] cannot conceive of progressions apart from spaces. But,

nevertheless, those who think from the Sensual of their spirit, that

has in some degree been removed or withdrawn from the Sensual of the

body, thus, who think interiorly in themselves, may be induced to

believe and comprehend it, since in the idea of interior thought there

is neither space nor time, but instead of them there are those things

from which spaces and times proceed. Those things, therefore, that

follow, concerning the earths in the starry heaven, are for the use

of the latter, and not for the former, unless they are of such a

character as to suffer themselves to be instructed.

[Footnote tt: Man after death has with him the memory of all his

concerns in the world, nos. 2476-2486.]

128. In a state of wakefulness, I was led as to the spirit by the Lord

through angels to a certain earth in the universe, accompanied by some

spirits from this globe. The progression took place towards the right,

and lasted for two hours. Near the boundary of our solar system, there

appeared first a whitish but dense cloud, and after it a fiery smoke

ascending from a great gulf: this was an immense chasm, separating our

solar system on that side from certain systems of the starry heaven.

The fiery smoke appeared over a considerable distance. I was conveyed

across the midst of it, and then there appeared beneath in that gulf

or chasm very many men, who were spirits (for all spirits appear in

the human form, and are actually men). I also heard them talking with

each other; but whence they were, or of what character, it was not

given me to know. One of them, however, told me that they were guards

to prevent spirits passing without permission from this into any other

system in the universe. That this was the case, was also confirmed;

for when some spirits who were in the company, and who had not

received permission to pass, came to that great interstice, they began

to cry out wildly that they were perishing, for they were like persons

struggling in the agony of death; wherefore they stopped on this side

of the chasm, and could not be conveyed any further; for the fiery

smoke which exhaled from the chasm attacked them, and tortured them in

this manner.

129. After I had been translated across that great chasm, I at length

reached a place where I stopped; and then some spirits appeared to me

above, and it was given me to speak with them. From their speech, and

from their peculiar manner of apperceiving things and explaining

them, I discerned clearly that they were from another earth; for they

differed altogether from the spirits of our solar system. They also

apperceived from my speech that I had come from a great distance.

130. After we had conversed for awhile on various subjects, I asked

them what God they worshipped. They said they worshipped some angel,

who appears to them as a Divine man, for he is resplendent with light;

and that he instructs them and enables them to apperceive what they

ought to do. They said further that they knew that the Most High God

is in the sun of the angelic heaven, and that He appears to their

angel and not to themselves; and that He is too great for them to dare

to adore Him. The angel whom they worshipped was an angelic society,

to which it has been given by the Lord to preside over them, and to

teach them the way of what is just and right; therefore they have

light from a certain flame, which appears like a little torch,

somewhat fiery and yellow. The reason of this originates in their not

adoring the Lord; therefore they do not receive light from the sun

of the angelic heaven, but from the angelic society; for an angelic

society, when permitted by the Lord, can exhibit such a light to

spirits who are in a lower region. I also saw that angelic society,

which was high above them; and I also saw the flame there whence they

had light.

131. In other respects they were modest, rather simple, but still

they thought well enough. The quality of their Intellectual could be

inferred from the light which prevailed among them; for the intellect

is according to the reception of the light which is in the heavens;

since it is the Divine Truth proceeding from the Lord as a sun, that

shines there, and enables the angels not only to see but also to

understand[uu].

[Footnote uu: There is much light in the heavens, nos. 1117, 1521,

1522, 1533, 1619-1632, 4527, 5400, 8644. All light in the heavens is

from the Lord as the Sun there, nos. 1053, 1521, 3195, 3341, 3636,

4415, 9548, 9684, 10809. The Divine Truth proceeding from the Lord

appears in the heavens as light, nos. 3195, 3222, 5400, 8644,

9399, 9548, 9684. That light illuminates both the sight and the

understanding of angels and spirits, nos. 2776, 3138. The light of

heaven also illuminates the understanding of man, nos. 1524, 3138,

3167, 4408, 6608, 8707, 9128, 9399, 10569.]

132. I was informed that the inhabitants and spirits of that earth, in

the Grand Man, have relation to something in the SPLEEN: and in this

I was confirmed by an influx into the spleen while they were speaking

with me.

133. When asked about the sun of their system, which illuminates their

earth, they said that it appeared flaming. When I represented the size

of the sun of our Earth, they said that their sun was smaller; for

before our eyes their sun appears as a star; and I was told by the

angels that it was one of the lesser stars. They also said that the

starry heaven is also seen from their earth; and that a star larger

than the rest appears to them towards the west; it was said from

heaven that this is our sun.

134. My sight was afterwards opened, so that I could in some measure

gaze upon that earth itself; and there appeared many meadows and

forests with trees covered with leaves; likewise fleecy sheep.

Afterwards I saw some of the inhabitants, who belonged to the lower

class, clothed nearly like the country folk in Europe. I also saw a

man (_vir_) with his wife (_mulier_). She appeared of handsome stature

and of graceful mien; so did the man; but, what surprised me, he

walked about pompously, with as it were a haughty gait, while the

woman's gait, on the contrary, was humble. The angels told me that

such is the custom on that earth, and that notwithstanding this

peculiarity, the men are loved, because they are good. I was further

told that they are not allowed to have more than one wife, because it

is contrary to the laws. The woman I saw had an ample garment before

her breast, behind which she could conceal herself, and which was so

made that she could put her arms in it, and wrap herself in it, and in

this wise go away: the lower portion of it could be gathered up,

and, when gathered up and folded about the body, it looked like

a stomacher, such as is worn by the women of our Earth. The same

garment, however, also served the man for an article of clothing. He

was seen to take it from the woman and throw it over his own back, and

loosening the lower part, which thus flowed down to his feet like a

robe, he walked about clad in this manner. What I saw on that earth

was not seen with the eyes of my body, but with the eyes of my spirit,

and a spirit can see the objects that are on an earth, when it is

permitted by the Lord.

135. As I know that many will doubt the possibility of a man's being

able, with the eyes of his spirit, to see anything on an earth so

distant, I may state how the matter is. Distances in the other life

are not as distances on the Earth. In the other life distances are

altogether according to the states of the interiors of each one. They

who are in a similar state are together in one society and in one

place. All presence there results from likeness of state, and all

distance results from unlikeness of state. Hence it was that I was

near to that earth when I was brought by the Lord into a state similar

to that of its spirits and inhabitants, and that being then present I

conversed with them. Hence it is evident that earths in the spiritual

world are not distant as in the natural world, but only apparently so

according to the states of life of their inhabitants and spirits. The

state of life is the state of the affections as to love and faith.

In regard to a spirit, or, what is the same, a man as to his spirit,

being able to see the things that are on an earth, I may also explain

how the case therein is. Neither spirits nor angels are able, by their

own sight, to see anything that is in the world; for to them the light

of the world, that is, solar light, is as thick darkness: just as man

by his bodily sight cannot see anything that is in the other life;

for to him the light of heaven is as thick darkness. But nevertheless

spirits and angels, when it pleases the Lord, can see the things in

the natural world through the eyes of a man; but this is not granted

by the Lord with any except those whom He permits to speak with

spirits and angels, and to be together with them. It has been

permitted them to see through my eyes the things in this world, and as

plainly as I myself did; and even to hear men speaking with me. It has

sometimes happened that through me some have seen their friends,

with whom they had been intimate in the life of the body, altogether

present as before, and they have been amazed thereat. Wives also have

seen in this manner their husbands and children, and have wanted me to

tell them that they were present and saw them, and to inform them

of their state in the other life. But it was forbidden me to say and

reveal to them that they had been seen in this way, for the further

reason that they would have called me insane, or have thought my

information ravings of the mind (_animus_), for I was well aware that,

although they affirmed with their mouth, they yet did not at heart

believe in the existence of spirits, the resurrection of the dead and

their living among spirits, and these being able to see and hear by

means of a man. When my interior sight was first opened, and when

those who are in the other life saw through my eyes the world and the

things therein, they were so amazed that they called it the miracle of

miracles, and were affected with new joy that there was thus granted a

communication of the Earth with heaven, and of heaven with the Earth.

This joy continued for months; but afterwards it became familiar, and

now the wonder has ceased. I have been informed that the spirits and

angels with other men do not in the least see the things in the world,

but only perceive the thoughts and affections of those with whom they

are. From all this it may appear, that man was so created that, while

living amongst men in the world, he might at the same time live in

heaven amongst angels, and contrariwise, so that heaven and the world

might be together with man, and act as a one, and that men might know

what passes in heaven, and angels what passes in the world; and

that when men depart this life, they might pass thus from the Lord's

kingdom on earth into His kingdom in the heavens, not as into another,

but as into the same kingdom, in which they had been during their life

in the body. But as man has become so corporeal, he has closed heaven

against himself.

136. Lastly, I conversed with spirits who were from that earth

concerning various things on our Earth, especially concerning the fact

that sciences are cultivated here, which are not cultivated elsewhere,

such as astronomy, geometry, mechanics, physics, chemistry, medicine,

optics, and natural philosophy; and likewise arts, which are unknown

elsewhere, as the arts of ship-building, of smelting metals, of

writing on paper, and likewise of publishing by printing, and thus of

communicating with others on the Earth, and thus also of preserving

what is communicated for the use of posterity for thousands of years;

and that this has been done also with the Word which is from the

Lord, and that on this account revelation is for ever permanent on our

Earth.

137. At last I was shown the hell of those who are from that earth.

Those who appeared from there inspired great terror. I dare not

describe their monstrous faces. Sorceresses also appeared there, who

practise nefarious arts. They appeared clad in green, and struck me

with horror.

THE SECOND EARTH IN THE STARRY HEAVEN, AND ITS SPIRITS AND

INHABITANTS.

138. I was afterwards led by the Lord to an earth in the universe

which was at a much greater distance from our Earth than the first one

that has just been treated of. That it was at a much greater distance,

was plain from this circumstance, that I was two days in being led

thither as to my spirit. This earth was to the left, whereas the

former was to the right. As remoteness in the spiritual world does

not, as already observed, arise from distance of place, but from

difference of state, the long-continuance of my progression thither,

which lasted two days, enabled me to conclude that the state of

the interiors which prevailed with them, which is the state of the

affections and of the consequent thoughts, differed proportionately

from the state of the interiors which prevails with the spirits from

our Earth. As I was conveyed thither as to the spirit by means of

changes of the state of the interiors, I was enabled to observe the

successive changes themselves before I arrived there. This took place

while I was awake.

139. When I arrived there, I did not see the earth, but only the

spirits who were from that earth; for, as has already been stated, the

spirits of every earth appear about their own earth, because they are

of a similar genius with the inhabitants, for they are of them, and

are serviceable to them. Those spirits appeared at a considerable

height over my head, and from thence they saw me coming. It must be

borne in mind that they who stand on high in the other life can behold

those who are below them, and the higher they stand the wider is the

extent of their vision; and that not only can they behold them, but

also speak with them. They observed from there that I was not from

their earth, but from some other at a distance; wherefore, addressing

me from thence, they questioned me on various subjects, and to these

questions it was also permitted me to reply. Among other things, I

told them from what earth I came, and what kind of earth it was; and

afterwards I told them about the earths in our solar system; and

then also about the spirits of the earth or planet Mercury, that

they wander about to many earths for the purpose of procuring for

themselves knowledges about various things. On hearing this, they said

that they had also seen those spirits among themselves.

140. I was told by the angels from our Earth that the inhabitants and

spirits of that earth, in the Grand Man, have relation to KEENNESS OF

VISION, and that therefore they appear on high; and that they have

a most penetrating keenness of sight. In consequence of their having

this relation, and of their seeing clearly the things that were below,

in the course of our conversation I compared them to eagles, which fly

aloft, and enjoy a piercing and extensive view of surrounding things.

At this they became indignant, supposing that I considered them like

eagles as to their rapacity, and consequently that I thought them

evil; but I replied, that I did not liken them to eagles as to

rapacity, but as to keenness of vision.

141. Being questioned concerning the God whom they worshipped, they

replied that they worshipped a God visible and invisible; a God

visible under the Human Form, and an invisible God, under no form at

all; and I learned from their discourse, and likewise from the ideas

of their thoughts which were communicated to me, that the visible God

was our Lord Himself, and they also called Him Lord. To this it was

given me to reply, that on our Earth also, an invisible and a visible

God is worshipped; and that the invisible God is called the Father,

and the visible, the Lord; but that both are One, as He Himself

taught, saying, that no one had ever seen the form of the Father, that

the Father and He are One, that whoso seeth Him seeth the Father, and

that the Father is in Him and He in the Father; consequently, that

both Divine [Essences] are in One Person. That these are the words of

the Lord Himself, see John v. 37; x. 30; xiv. 7, 9-11.

142. Afterwards I saw other spirits from the same earth, who appeared

in a place beneath the former: with these also I conversed; but they

were idolaters, for they worshipped an idol of stone, like a man, but

an unhandsome one. It is to be observed, that all who come into

the other life, in the beginning have a worship which is like their

worship in the world, but that by degrees they are removed from it.

The reason why this takes place is, that all worship remains implanted

in man's interior life, from which it cannot be removed and eradicated

except by degrees. On seeing this, it was given me to tell them that

they ought not to worship what is dead, but what is living; to which

they replied, that they knew that God lives, and that a stone does

not, but that they thought of the living God while looking on a stone

resembling a man, and that otherwise the ideas of their thought could

not be fixed upon and determined to the invisible God. It was then

given me to tell them that the ideas of thought can be fixed upon

and determined to the invisible God, when they are fixed upon and

determined to the Lord, who is God visible in thought under the Human

Form; and thus that man can be conjoined with the invisible God in

thought and affection, consequently in faith and love, when he is

conjoined with the Lord, but not otherwise.

143. The spirits who were seen on high were questioned whether on

their earth they live under the rule of princes or kings. To this they

replied, that they do not know what governments are, and that they

live under themselves, distinguished into clans, families, and

households. They were questioned whether they were thus in security.

They said they were secure, since one family never envies another, nor

desires to deprive another of anything. They were indignant at being

asked such questions, as if they had been charged with being at

enmity, or with needing protection against robbers. What, said they,

does anyone need but food and raiment, and thus to live content and

quiet under one's own management?

144. Being further questioned concerning their earth, they said that

they have meadows, flower-gardens, orchards full of fruit-trees, and

also lakes containing fish; and that they have birds of a blue

colour, with golden feathers; and large and small animals. Amongst the

smaller, they mentioned one sort which had the back raised like the

camels on our Earth; nevertheless, they do not feed on their flesh,

but only on the flesh of fishes, and besides on the fruits of trees,

and on the leguminous plants of the earth. They said, moreover, that

they do not live in artificial houses, but in groves, amongst the

leafy boughs of which they make roofs to shelter them from rain and

the heat of the sun.

145. Being questioned respecting their sun, which appears as a star

from our Earth, they said that it has a fiery appearance, and that it

is not larger to the sight than a man's head. I was told by the angels

that the star which is their sun is one of the smaller stars, not far

distant from the equator.

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