Mr. STENHOUSE. (Name deleted.)

Mr. MOULDER. Did he have anything to do with your promotion to that

position?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I am sure he did.

Mr. MOULDER. Do you remember the names of the persons who were employed

under your immediate supervision?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, there was one fellow just prior to my promotion.

(Name deleted.)

Mr. MOULDER. I am not suggesting any of those persons be named in the

record; I am testing your memory as to why you remember some people

with whom you were associated and why you cannot remember the names of

some other people with whom you were closely associated.

Mr. STENHOUSE. I can remember the names of many of the people in my

division because we have exchanged Christmas cards since then, and I

have seen some of them since then.

Mr. MOULDER. In line with Mr. Velde’s questioning regarding the first

Communist Party meeting to which you referred, how did you go? By car,

by bus, or by train? Was it just as you say, a short distance? How did

you get there?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No, I didn’t say it was a short distance. I said it was

in Virginia.

Mr. MOULDER. That is not far from the District of Columbia.

Mr. STENHOUSE. We lived in Maryland.

Mr. MOULDER. How did you travel to the place of the meeting?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I suppose it was by bus because we didn’t have a car in

those days.

Mr. MOULDER. You went by bus over there?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I say bus. I mean public transportation.

Mr. VELDE. Mr. Chairman, I think we ought to make it clear we have

no intention of having the public press or anyone else feel that

any of the persons you mention who were associated with you in your

professional work at that time are connected in any way with the

Communist Party or any of its functions. We have hitherto tried to make

that perfectly clear. The mere fact that you mention a name of one of

your associates should lead no one to believe that he is in any way

connected with it or has been connected with the Communist Party or

Communist Party activities.

Mr. MOULDER. Did other employees in your section attend any of the

meetings to which you have referred?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No.

Mr. MOULDER. In line with Congressman Velde’s suggestion the names

mentioned by you in that connection will be stricken from the record.

Mr. STENHOUSE. I want to make one clarification.

In regard to this matter of references, I don’t want it on the record

that I didn’t give any references. If they were required I suppose I

gave them. But don’t remember now who I gave.

(The witness confers with his counsel.)

Another point, Mr. Chairman, in regard to this matter of remembering

the names of the people who were at these discussion groups, there were

not more than 3 or 4 meetings as far as I remember. There were very few

in number.

Mr. MOULDER. How many meetings did you attend while you were in

Washington?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Three or four; at the most, five; I can’t remember

exactly. They are very limited. I am trying to live back in those days

and pinpoint when it could have been and where they could have been.

And I can identify in a vague way three locations.

Mr. MOULDER. Were you issued a Communist Party membership card at any

time while you were in Washington, D. C.?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I don’t think so.

Mr. MOULDER. But you still refer to them as Communist Party meetings?

Mr. STENHOUSE. That is what I understood them to be. I am sure in my

own mind now that I was just on the fringes of this thing, that----

Mr. MOULDER. Proceed, Mr. Tavenner.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did you not describe the meetings in Washington as being

the same type of meetings you attended in Los Angeles?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I said they were similar.

Mr. MOULDER. Doesn’t that mean the same type?

What difference was there between the meetings you attended in

Washington and those you attended in Los Angeles?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, I suppose one difference would be that in

Washington, D. C., to the best of my knowledge, all the people present

were members of the union.

Mr. MOULDER. Were they also all employees in the Department of Commerce?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Right.

Mr. MOULDER. Were any of them employees in your immediate section?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No.

Mr. MOULDER. The China Section of the Department of Commerce?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No.

Mr. MOULDER. Do you, of your own personal knowledge, know whether any

of the persons attending those meetings were members of the Communist

Party?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, they were at the meetings.

Mr. MOULDER. Yes; but that isn’t my point. They were at the meetings,

but do you know of your own personal knowledge whether or not they were

Communist Party members?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Why I don’t know how you identify that exactly. I don’t

recall seeing anybody’s card. Again, there was some sort of dues

payment.

Mr. MOULDER. Do you recall hearing any one of them say that they were

members of the Communist Party?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I can’t remember now whether they did or not. I

was there and I thought I was some sort of a member, and I just

assumed--Maybe I shouldn’t assume it. But I just assumed they were.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did you pay dues in this organization or in this group?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, again, it was somewhat the same arrangement as

before. There were books to be bought and some sort of dues arrangement.

Mr. TAVENNER. To whom did you pay the dues?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, I don’t remember who the individual was. The money

was just--somebody said “Well, here are the books.” And the money was

put on the table.

Mr. TAVENNER. How long did you remain a member of that group or attend

meetings of that group?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, that is the question that you asked before, and,

as I told you, I find it very difficult to pinpoint the time. I think

I can limit it to somewhere near the end of 1945 because of the fact

that I didn’t get there until June and I had the operation, and then my

family came out, and we were preoccupied with getting into a house and

things of that sort. And I think it was--I was out of it by the early

part of 1947.

Mr. TAVENNER. So that you continued until the early part of 1947?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, I say it was somewhere in that area. And I can’t

remember.

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you tell the committee, please, the circumstances

under which you stopped attending these meetings?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, the Communist publications that we were studying

seemed to be overready to excuse the Soviet Union and criticize our

country, and this didn’t jibe with the ideas that I had had about the

situation during the war. And I just stopped going and nobody ever

tried to get me back in or approached me in any way.

Mr. TAVENNER. You have said that you cannot recall the names of any of

these people or give any more descriptive information than you have

because of the lapse of time, and the fact that you are separated now

by long distance from the place you were then.

Did anything occur in 1946 or 1947 which would have served to refresh

your recollection as to who these individuals were?

Something that would have called this matter very definitely to your

attention and would have impressed itself on your memory. Do you recall

anything of an unusual character having occurred?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I suppose you are referring to the fact that I was

investigated or questioned by the FBI.

Mr. TAVENNER. That is right.

Mr. STENHOUSE. It may have recalled their names to me then, but it

doesn’t now.

Mr. VELDE. Did you give any names to the FBI when you were questioned?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No; I didn’t.

Mr. VELDE. You said it may have recalled some of the names to you at

that time but it doesn’t now. If at that time it recalled the names of

people with whom you had associated, why didn’t you give them to the

FBI?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I declined to state whether or not I had been a member

of the Communist Party in Los Angeles.

Mr. VELDE. Do you mean you declined to state to the FBI whether or not

you had been a member of the Communist Party in Los Angeles?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Yes. And, as far as I remember, he told me I didn’t have

to state. I can’t be sure of that, but that is my recollection.

Mr. VELDE. Of course, you don’t have to tell the FBI anything. But I am

just wondering what was in your mind at that time--the reason why you

did not give the FBI that information.

Mr. STENHOUSE. The reason was that I had, to the best of my knowledge

and conscience, done nothing hostile to the United States. In fact, I

thought that I had been a very loyal and active citizen in promoting

the war effort.

Mr. TAVENNER. When did your employment terminate with the Department of

Commerce?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I got my termination notice in October, and it was

effective in November of 1947.

Mr. TAVENNER. What was the reason for termination of your services?

Mr. STENHOUSE. It stated that I was being relieved due to a reduction

in force.

Mr. TAVENNER. I believe you stated then your next employment was with

the United Nations. Is that correct?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you tell the committee, please, how you obtained

your employment with the United Nations?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, I was trying many avenues to get employment.

Mr. TAVENNER. I am referring only to your employment with the United

Nations.

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, there may have been a number of channels through

which I got it, but I think that it may have been through the Institute

of Pacific Relations.

Mr. TAVENNER. Why did you appeal to the Institute of Pacific Relations?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Because I had been a subscriber to the Institute of

Pacific Relations, and I knew of the Institute as one interested in

far-eastern affairs. And that, amongst several dozens of business firms

and organizations, seemed to be a likely place to find an occupation in

the area where I wanted to be.

Mr. TAVENNER. Before going to the Institute of Pacific Relations, did

you have in mind that you desired to secure a position with the United

Nations?

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