Mr. STENHOUSE. No; I don’t think I did. In fact----

Mr. TAVENNER. Was the suggestion then made to you by the Institute of

Pacific Relations that you seek employment with the United Nations?

(At this point Representative Morgan M. Moulder left the hearing room.)

Mr. STENHOUSE. I think it was suggested to me there that this

commission was being formed--the commission was already in effect, but

that there was this job to do on this subcommittee of trade relations

and that I should contact a Dr. Lokanath. He was an Indian economist.

(At this point Representative Morgan M. Moulder returned to the hearing

room.)

Mr. STENHOUSE. I think that may have been the channel through which

it came. I am not entirely certain. But I did contact him and got the

appointment.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did the person or persons with whom you conferred in the

Institute of Pacific Relations know of your Communist Party membership?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did you furnish any references to the Institute of

Pacific Relations when you went there to confer on the subject of your

employment?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I think I probably did. You mean a sort of curriculum

vitae.

Mr. TAVENNER. The real purpose of my question is to find out whether or

not you were recommended to the Institute of Public Relations by any

person who knew you had been a member of the Communist Party.

Mr. STENHOUSE. No. I went there entirely on my own initiative.

Mr. VELDE. Did you know any of the defendants in the Amerasia case?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No.

Mr. VELDE. Had you ever met any of them?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Not to my knowledge.

Mr. VELDE. Do you know who it was from the Institute of Pacific

Relations who first interested you in the United Nations?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I was interested in the United Nations myself.

Mr. VELDE. Naturally, I suppose you were. Was any one person at the

Institute of Pacific Relations responsible for your employment by the

United Nations?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No. I went to the Institute of Pacific Relations as one

of many, many sources for a new occupation. And in the office of the

Institute of Pacific Relations I was told that there was this opening.

So I applied to the United Nations. I have at home a file about that

thick [indicating] of letters to many business firms that I wrote to

and had interviews with.

Mr. VELDE. Do you have any written memorandums or anything else in

writing that would show your contact with the Institute of Pacific

Relations at that time?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I have nothing to hide about my Institute of Pacific

Relations contacts. I was a subscriber to the Institute of Pacific

Relations. I thought they were doing a good job of objective reporting

on the Far East. I was interested in it because of my background.

While I was in Washington, D. C., I went to several Institute of

Pacific Relations meetings and discussion groups. It was only natural

that that should be one place where I would go to find out if there was

any firm or any organization that was associated with the Far East who

would be interested in my background.

Mr. VELDE. Of course, I don’t want to cast any reflections on the

individual members of the Institute of Pacific Relations or any others

you have contacted, but I do feel it would be valuable to the committee

if you would make available the various letters you used when applying

for jobs in order that we might search our records. Would you be

willing to make those available?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Do you want me to tell you the names of the people in

the Institute of Pacific Relations?

Mr. VELDE. No. I am not particularly anxious for that. Again, I want

to say if you do mention names of persons in the Institute of Pacific

Relations, it should be no reflection upon them whatsoever because you,

as a former Communist, contacted them.

I am interested in finding out who you contacted or who in the

Institute of Pacific Relations recommended you for a job with the

United Nations.

Mr. STENHOUSE. I haven’t been asked that question.

Mr. VELDE. I ask you that question.

Mr. STENHOUSE. If you want to know who it was in the Institute of

Pacific Relations who I think gave me the information, I am very frank

to tell you that it was Mr. Carter.

Mr. VELDE. Do you know his first name?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Edward C.

Mr. VELDE. Was he in his office at the time you went to the Institute

of Pacific Relations?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. VELDE. What did he do to promote your appointment in the United

Nations?

Mr. STENHOUSE. He may have contacted Dr. Lokanath, for all I know. I

think he possibly did.

Mr. VELDE. Did you get recommendations from members of the Institute of

Pacific Relations other than Mr. Carter?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No.

Mr. VELDE. Did you have recommendations of any kind other than the

Institute of Pacific Relations?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Yes.

The chief of my division gave me a very fine recommendation. A

colleague who was in the China legal section gave me a very fine

recommendation.

Mr. VELDE. Did either Mr. Carter or the chief of your division know

that you were a member of the Communist Party?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No; they did not.

Mr. VELDE. What type of formal application did you make for the

position you sought and afterward obtained in the United Nations?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I don’t recall now any formal application. I have in my

files a letter of appointment, but I don’t recall a formal application.

Mr. VELDE. Proceed, Mr. Counsel.

Mr. TAVENNER. After accepting the position with the United Nations,

were you sent on a project to China?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Yes, sir.

Mr. TAVENNER. Before your selection for that project, were you

interviewed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Not to my knowledge.

Mr. TAVENNER. When was it you were interviewed by the Federal Bureau

of Investigation at which time you refused to advise them as to your

previous Communist Party membership?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, I think you gave me the date of that the other

day. I had forgotten it.

Mr. TAVENNER. Don’t you remember it?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No; I don’t. But you said it was in 1946, and I think it

probably was.

Mr. TAVENNER. So before you were selected for the position in the

United Nations and, particularly for this project in China, you had

refused to give information to the Federal Bureau of Investigation as

to whether or not you had been a member of the Communist Party?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, that is true, some nearly 2 years before. By the

time I had applied for the position in the United Nations I didn’t

consider myself to be whatever it was I had been before.

Mr. TAVENNER. And no governmental agency, after the FBI came to see

you, ever made any inquiry until the present time?

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, that is not so.

Last September I was called by a Treasury representative, and he told

me he wanted to ask me some questions. So I met him at my home and he

started to ask me about the sort of work I did and whether I ever did

much traveling. And in the course of that discussion I told him that I

had been in Washington, D. C. I told him quite frankly what I had been

doing.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did you tell him you had been a member of the Communist

Party?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No. He didn’t ask me.

Mr. TAVENNER. Was that the first time you had been questioned along

this line?

Mr. STENHOUSE, Yes. But he did ask me a question did I know a certain

individual in Washington, D. C. And the name of the man was----

Mr. TAVENNER. I would suggest that you not mention the name in public.

The committee, I think, would want to know privately.

Let me ask you this:

In seeking that information from you, did it have any connection with

the Communist Party?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I don’t know what his intentions were at that time.

Mr. TAVENNER. I think, Mr. Chairman, under those circumstances, we

should not ask him to state the matter in public when we have no idea

what it is he is talking about.

(The witness confers with his counsel.)

Mr. STENHOUSE. You asked me if I had ever been questioned.

Mr. TAVENNER. I mean questioned about communism in a Federal agency and

regarding the matters under discussion here.

Mr. STENHOUSE. I beg your pardon. I thought you meant had I ever been

questioned by an agency of the Government in the interim.

Mr. TAVENNER. Of course, we are not interested in whether you have been

interrogated by someone in a Government department on matters not at

all related to the functions of this committee. I understand you to say

you have not been.

(The witness confers with his counsel.)

Mr. STENHOUSE. The reason I thought you might be interested in it was

that he did ask me a question which related to the Institute of Pacific

Relations. And since it related to that, I thought that the committee

should know about it.

He asked me if I had ever known (name deleted).

And first I couldn’t remember the name. But then he said, “Well, didn’t

you ever go to a luncheon in Washington, D. C., sponsored by the

Institute of Pacific Relations?”

And then I remembered that I had, along with several hundred or so

other people, gone to such a luncheon.

Mr. TAVENNER. Mr. Chairman, this being a matter about which we have no

knowledge at all, I believe we are getting into a field that should not

be explored in public without some investigation on our own part.

Mr. MOULDER. Mr. Tavenner, will you step up here, please?

(Mr. Tavenner confers with the chairman.)

Mr. STENHOUSE. May I make one concluding remark as to that last

testimony?

Mr. MOULDER. At this time the name you mentioned will be stricken

from the record until further investigation can be made of your last

testimony.

Mr. STENHOUSE. Well, this individual, I may say, addressed a large

group of people in what was substantially an open meeting, and reported

on----

Mr. TAVENNER. Mr. Chairman, in light of your ruling, I suggest we

not go into that matter at all until the committee staff has had an

opportunity to investigate the witness’ last testimony.

Mr. MOULDER. Yes.

Mr. STENHOUSE. Mr. Chairman, may I make one concluding statement in

regard to my last remarks?

When the man who was questioning me heard my report he then asked me

why I was changing jobs. And I said I had no intention to change a job.

And he said, “Did you apply for a job with the Treasury Department?”

And I said, “No.”

And he said, “Well, do you know another John Stenhouse?”

And I told him I did.

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you tell the committee, please, the purpose of the

project on which you were sent to China?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I think I have already stated that. Do you want me to

repeat it, sir?

Mr. TAVENNER. Yes.

Mr. STENHOUSE. It was to study and report on the rehabilitation of

trade in the Far East.

Mr. TAVENNER. And that necessitated your travel in what part of China?

Mr. STENHOUSE. The headquarters were in Shanghai.

Mr. TAVENNER. Did you spend all of your time in Shanghai?

Mr. STENHOUSE. No. I was in Nanking--well, while I was with that

particular commission I spent all of my time in Shanghai.

Mr. TAVENNER. When was it that you went to Nanking?

Mr. STENHOUSE. After 3 months with the Economic Commission I then

was with the Food and Agriculture Administration, and the Food and

Agriculture Administration had an office both in Shanghai and in

Nanking. And it was my duty, as administrative assistant, to supervise

both offices.

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you state the dates you were stationed in Shanghai,

and the dates you were in Nanking?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I can’t do it. I was back and forth.

Mr. TAVENNER. Will you state the dates which divided your time between

the two places?

Mr. STENHOUSE. I think maybe there is a mistake in my previous

testimony as to dates.

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