Mr. BALL. Tell us what happened.
Mr. CALLAWAY. We first went into the room. There was Jim Leavelle, the
detective, Sam Guinyard, and then this busdriver and myself. We waited
down there for probably 20 or 30 minutes. And Jim told us, "When I show
you these guys, be sure, take your time, see if you can make a positive
identification."
Mr. BALL. Had you known him before?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No. And he said, "We want to be sure, we want to try to
wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same
one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing
this officer, we have got him." So they brought four men in.
I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the
same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew
him.
Mr. BALL. You mean he looked like the same man?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. About what distance was he away from you--the closest that he
ever was to you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. About 56 feet.
Mr. BALL. You measured that, did you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Last Saturday morning?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Measured it with a tape measure?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did he have the same clothes on in the lineup--did the man
have the same clothes?
Mr. CALLAWAY. He had the same trousers and shirt, but he didn't have
his jacket on. He had ditched his jacket.
Mr. BALL. What kind--when you talked to the police officers before you
saw this man, did you give them a description of the clothing he had on?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you tell them you saw?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told them he had some dark trousers and a light tannish
gray windbreaker jacket, and I told him that he was fair complexion,
dark hair.
Mr. BALL. Tell them the size?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes; I told them--I think I told them about 5'10".
Mr. DULLES. Did you see his front face at any time, or did you only
have a side view of him?
Mr. CALLAWAY. He looked right at me, sir. When I called to him, he
looked right at me.
Mr. DULLES. You saw front face?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. I have a jacket here--Commission's Exhibit No. 162. Does this
look anything like the jacket that the man had on that you saw across
the street with a gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes; it sure does. Yes, that is the same type jacket.
Actually, I thought it had a little more tan to it.
Mr. BALL. Same type?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. I show you a shirt, 150. Does it look anything like the shirt
he had on under the jacket?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Sir, when I saw him he didn't have--I couldn't see this
shirt. I saw--he had it open. That shirt was open, and I could see his
white T-shirt underneath.
Mr. BALL. He had a white T-shirt underneath?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes. That is the shirt he had on in the lineup that night.
Mr. BALL. Was he fat or thin?