Mr. BALL. All right. Now----

Mr. DULLES. May I ask what course he was taking when you last saw him?

Mr. CALLAWAY. He was going west on Jefferson Street.

Mr. DULLES. West on Jefferson Street?

Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL. What did you do?

Mr. CALLAWAY. I hollered to this guy behind--B. D. Searcy.

Mr. BALL. What did you say to Mr. Searcy?

Mr. CALLAWAY. I told him to keep an eye on that guy, I says, "Keep an

eye on that guy, follow him. I am going to go down there and see what

is going on." So I ran, a good hard run, from here down around the

corner.

Mr. BALL. 10th and Patton?

Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.

Mr. BALL. When you got there what did you see?

Mr. CALLAWAY. I saw a squad car, and by that time there was four or

five people that had gathered, a couple of cars had stopped. Then I

saw--I went on up to the squad car and saw the police officer lying

in the street. I see he had been shot in the head. So the first thing

I did, I ran over to the squad car. I didn't know whether anybody

reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them, and

told them a man had been shot, told them the location, I thought the

officer was dead. They said we know about it, stay off the air, so I

went back.

By this time an ambulance was coming. The officer was laying on his

left side, his pistol was underneath him. I kind of rolled him over and

took his gun out from under him. The people wonder whether he ever got

his pistol out of his holster. He did.

Mr. BALL. The pistol was out of the holster?

Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir; out of the holster, and it was unsnapped. It

was on his right side. He was laying with the gun under him.

Mr. BALL. What did you do?

Mr. CALLAWAY. I picked the gun up and laid it on the hood of the squad

car, and then someone put it in the front seat of the squad car. Then

after I helped load Officer Tippit in the ambulance, I got the gun out

of the car and told this cabdriver, I said, "You saw the guy didn't

you?" He said, yes.

I said, "If he is going up Jefferson, he can't be very far. Let's see

if we can find him." So I went with Scoggins in the taxicab, went up to

10th, Crawford, from Crawford up to Jefferson, and down Jefferson to

Beckley. And we turned on Beckley. If we had kept going up Jefferson,

we probably--there is a good chance we would have seen him, because he

was headed right towards the Texas Theatre. But then we circled around

several blocks, and ended up coming back to where it happened.

Mr. BALL. And the ambulance--had the ambulance been there by that time?

Mr. CALLAWAY. Oh, yes; the ambulance already left before I ever left

with the cabdriver.

Mr. BALL. Did you go down to the police station later?

Mr. CALLAWAY. That evening.

Mr. BALL. What time?

Mr. CALLAWAY. I think it was around 6:30 or 7 o'clock. I remember it

was after dark.

Mr. BALL. Did you go down there alone?

Mr. CALLAWAY. No. I went with Sam Guinyard, a colored porter of ours.

He saw him, also.

(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)

Mr. CALLAWAY. We drove down. Officer--Detective Jim Leavelle met us,

and took us into this room where they showed us the lineup.

Mr. BALL. Now, before you went down there, had you seen any newspaper

accounts of this incident?

Mr. CALLAWAY. No, sir; I had been out there on the lot. I hadn't seen a

newspaper, hadn't even heard a radio, really.

Mr. BALL. Had you seen any television?

Mr. CALLAWAY. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. Had you seen a picture of a man?

Mr. CALLAWAY. No.

Mr. BALL. The officer show you any pictures?

Mr. CALLAWAY. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. You went into a police lineup, in a room where they had a

lineup of men?

Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.

Mr. BALL. How many?

Mr. CALLAWAY. Four.

Mr. BALL. And were they all the same size, or different sizes?

Mr. CALLAWAY. They were about the same build, but the man that I

identified was the shortest one of the bunch.

Mr. BALL. Were they anywhere near the same age?

Mr. CALLAWAY. They were about the same age, yes, sir. They looked--you

know.

Mr. BALL. And you say you identified a man. How did you do that?

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