Mr. DULLES. May I ask what course he was taking when you last saw him?
Mr. CALLAWAY. He was going west on Jefferson Street.
Mr. DULLES. West on Jefferson Street?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you do?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I hollered to this guy behind--B. D. Searcy.
Mr. BALL. What did you say to Mr. Searcy?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I told him to keep an eye on that guy, I says, "Keep an
eye on that guy, follow him. I am going to go down there and see what
is going on." So I ran, a good hard run, from here down around the
corner.
Mr. BALL. 10th and Patton?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. When you got there what did you see?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I saw a squad car, and by that time there was four or
five people that had gathered, a couple of cars had stopped. Then I
saw--I went on up to the squad car and saw the police officer lying
in the street. I see he had been shot in the head. So the first thing
I did, I ran over to the squad car. I didn't know whether anybody
reported it or not. So I got on the police radio and called them, and
told them a man had been shot, told them the location, I thought the
officer was dead. They said we know about it, stay off the air, so I
went back.
By this time an ambulance was coming. The officer was laying on his
left side, his pistol was underneath him. I kind of rolled him over and
took his gun out from under him. The people wonder whether he ever got
his pistol out of his holster. He did.
Mr. BALL. The pistol was out of the holster?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir; out of the holster, and it was unsnapped. It
was on his right side. He was laying with the gun under him.
Mr. BALL. What did you do?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I picked the gun up and laid it on the hood of the squad
car, and then someone put it in the front seat of the squad car. Then
after I helped load Officer Tippit in the ambulance, I got the gun out
of the car and told this cabdriver, I said, "You saw the guy didn't
you?" He said, yes.
I said, "If he is going up Jefferson, he can't be very far. Let's see
if we can find him." So I went with Scoggins in the taxicab, went up to
10th, Crawford, from Crawford up to Jefferson, and down Jefferson to
Beckley. And we turned on Beckley. If we had kept going up Jefferson,
we probably--there is a good chance we would have seen him, because he
was headed right towards the Texas Theatre. But then we circled around
several blocks, and ended up coming back to where it happened.
Mr. BALL. And the ambulance--had the ambulance been there by that time?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Oh, yes; the ambulance already left before I ever left
with the cabdriver.
Mr. BALL. Did you go down to the police station later?
Mr. CALLAWAY. That evening.
Mr. BALL. What time?
Mr. CALLAWAY. I think it was around 6:30 or 7 o'clock. I remember it
was after dark.
Mr. BALL. Did you go down there alone?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No. I went with Sam Guinyard, a colored porter of ours.
He saw him, also.
(At this point, Representative Ford withdrew from the hearing room.)
Mr. CALLAWAY. We drove down. Officer--Detective Jim Leavelle met us,
and took us into this room where they showed us the lineup.
Mr. BALL. Now, before you went down there, had you seen any newspaper
accounts of this incident?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No, sir; I had been out there on the lot. I hadn't seen a
newspaper, hadn't even heard a radio, really.
Mr. BALL. Had you seen any television?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Had you seen a picture of a man?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No.
Mr. BALL. The officer show you any pictures?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. You went into a police lineup, in a room where they had a
lineup of men?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How many?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Four.
Mr. BALL. And were they all the same size, or different sizes?
Mr. CALLAWAY. They were about the same build, but the man that I
identified was the shortest one of the bunch.
Mr. BALL. Were they anywhere near the same age?
Mr. CALLAWAY. They were about the same age, yes, sir. They looked--you
know.
Mr. BALL. And you say you identified a man. How did you do that?