Mr. BAKER. Is that the steps on the outside and this is the----

Mr. BELIN. These are the steps on the outside, this is the door, the

first door and this is kind of the main lobby here, below the words

"Main Entrance."

Mr. BAKER. Well, as you come up the steps, there is a glass door here

in front of the building.

Mr. BELIN. Pardon me, this will be the recessed glass door right here

swinging?

Mr. BAKER. All of this is the lobby.

Mr. BELIN. Yes, that is all the lobby.

Mr. BAKER. OK. This is the first door that you open to get in.

Mr. BELIN. Yes.

Mr. BAKER. And this is the lobby.

Mr. BELIN. Yes.

Mr. BAKER. And then you have another set of glass doors.

Mr. BELIN. There is another door right here, yes.

Mr. BAKER. And on through this one you have a swinging door, a little

old counter-type door that swings----

Mr. BELIN. This would be the swinging door which would be to the west

of the room marked "Mr. Truly's office" on Exhibit 362?

Mr. BAKER. That is right, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Where would you have been when you were yelling would

someone tell you about the stairs or the elevator?

Mr. BAKER. At this point approximately where the "T" is here.

Mr. BELIN. You would be where the "T" is?

Mr. BAKER. I was standing inside the front doors and I wasn't too far

from this door here.

Mr. BELIN. That would be the, what I call the, middle set of doors as

you come in, between the front set of doors and the doors by the side

of Mr. Truly's office, that little half door there.

Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. And you were at the point as marked on Exhibit 362

approximately where the word "T" is.

Mr. BAKER. This lobby, to the best of my recollection, it seemed to me

like, would--I would say, about 15 feet wide or something like that.

Mr. BELIN. Yes.

Mr. BAKER. And I had come in there, oh, say, 4 or 5 feet whenever I

said, "Where is the stairway or the elevator?"

Mr. BELIN. I wonder if you could show us on Exhibit 362 the route that

you took from the first floor to the time you went to the elevator?

Mr. BAKER. I came through the first set of doors, the second set and

this second little old counter-type here, and kind of ran through that,

from the southwest corner here through this swinging door.

Mr. BELIN. That is by Mr. Truly's office?

Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir; to the northwest corner here.

Mr. BELIN. By the west elevator.

Mr. BAKER. West elevator, that is right.

Mr. BELIN. Would this be roughly along the pen line already in there,

would you estimate?

Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir; that is pretty close to it.

Mr. BELIN. You then went to the east elevator where Mr. Truly first

pushed the button for the elevator?

Mr. BAKER. Yes, sir.

Mr. DULLES. Any further questions? Mr. Attorney General, do you have

any questions?

Mr. CARR. There is just one. There were many people around there at

that time, and the rest of the day----

Mr. DULLES. You are talking now about the Depository Building?

Mr. CARR. Yes, sir; at the time he has been testifying about. Did you

have occasion during the rest of the day either in passing visits or

idle conversation or anything of that type with any of the people that

were there at the time who might have seen something or told you some

theory they had about what might have happened?

Mr. BAKER. Not until last Friday morning. Chief Lunday, which is my

chief in traffic, called me and asked me to go down to this Texas

Depository Building, and I had--I have worked traffic outside several

times but I never did go inside or talk to any of the employees.

Mr. CARR. I am referring to the people who were out there at the time

of the shooting. Did you have a chance during that day to talk with any

of them or did you overhear any conversations that might be material to

the investigation here?

Mr. BAKER. The only ones that I talked to would be the solo officers

who were around him.

Mr. DULLES. Around whom?

Mr. BAKER. Around the President's car at that time.

Mr. DULLES. What was the nature of those conversations?

Mr. BAKER. Well, we just were discussing, each one of us had a theory,

you know where, how it happened, and really none of us knew how it

happened, it just happened, and where they was at in place, you know,

in reference to the car, would be about the only thing they could say,

and at the time the first shot they didn't know where the shot came

from.

The second shot they still didn't know, and then the third shot some

of them over to the left-hand side, the blood and everything hit their

helmets and their windshields and then they knew it had to come from

behind.

Mr. BELIN. Say this again, Officer Baker. When you say some were on the

left-hand side?

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