Mrs. PAINE. No; but I'd be----

Senator COOPER. What?

Mrs. PAINE. No; but I'd be fairly certain I saw him go to it.

Senator COOPER. You saw him go to it?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. You saw him passing back and forth from the bedroom to the

bathroom and he had his ablutions and then returned to the bedroom to

retire, is that correct?

Mrs. PAINE. That is my best recollection.

Mr. JENNER. That is your definite consciousness?

Mrs. PAINE. All of this was so common that I made no specific note of

it.

Senator COOPER. I think you have got to tell what you remember that

night. If you can't remember it, you can't remember it.

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. But you do remember him passing back and forth from the

bedroom that he and Marina normally occupied when he was there, and

she occupied when she was there, to the bathroom, and then back to the

bedroom. You do have that recollection?

Mrs. PAINE. I recall specifically the feeling that he was in the room,

and this grounded no doubt in his having been back and forth as you

have described.

Mr. JENNER. You remained in the garage about a half hour lacquering

your children's blocks.

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. You left the garage then, did you?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I did.

Mr. JENNER. And where did you go when you left the garage?

Mrs. PAINE. To the kitchen or living room.

Mr. JENNER. Did you see anybody when you entered the kitchen or living

room?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes; Marina was still up.

Mr. JENNER. Did you see Lee Oswald?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. Did you see Lee Oswald anytime from that moment forward

until you retired for the evening?

Mrs. PAINE. I saw Lee Oswald at no time from that moment forward.

Mr. JENNER. The answer to my question is no?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. Did you speak with him or he with you at anytime from that

moment forward until you retired?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. Were you conscious that he spoke to Marina at anytime from

that moment forward until you retired that evening?

Mrs. PAINE. I was not conscious that he spoke to Marina; no.

Mr. JENNER. Or she with him?

Mrs. PAINE. Or she with him.

Mr. JENNER. What time that evening did you retire?

Mrs. PAINE. I would guess around 11 or 11:30.

Mr. JENNER. Did Marina remain up and retire at anytime or had she

retired earlier?

Mrs. PAINE. It seems to me we remained up and retired at about the same

time, having folded laundry on the sofa before we retired, and talked.

Mr. JENNER. Were you looking at the television while you were doing the

folding?

Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall. I don't think so.

Mr. JENNER. Now let us return to the garage for a moment. When you were

in the garage for the half hour, did you notice the blanket wrapped

package you testified about yesterday?

Mrs. PAINE. I don't specifically recall seeing it; no.

Mr. JENNER. You first weren't conscious of it?

Mrs. PAINE. That is correct.

Mr. JENNER. You didn't stumble over it.

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. It wasn't drawn to your attention in any fashion. Is that

correct?

Mrs. PAINE. That is correct.

Mr. JENNER. Now, as you and Marina sat that evening, folding the

ironing, what did you discuss?

Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall specifically.

Mr. JENNER. Was there any discussion that might serve to refresh your

recollection, any discussion of the fact that Lee Oswald had come home

or come to Irving in the first place on a Thursday afternoon, which is

unusual, or that he had come home unannounced and without invitation,

which also as you have testified was unusual? Wasn't there any

discussion between you and Marina, speculation at least on your part as

to why he was home?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes, there was discussion. I can't recall exactly what time

in the evening it took place but I recall the content of the discussion.

Mr. JENNER. You tell us about it.

Mrs. PAINE. She suggested that he was making up the quarrel that they

had had because of her attempt to reach him by telephone, and I agreed,

concurred with that judgment of it.

Mr. JENNER. What was the attitude that evening?

Mrs. PAINE. He was very warm and friendly.

Mr. JENNER. Was there anything unusual about his attitude and conduct

that evening?

Mrs. PAINE. Nothing except he went to bed a little earlier than he

normally would have on a Sunday evening before work.

Mr. JENNER. Were you conscious of the fact that he was retiring a

little earlier than he normally would?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And did you speculate in your mind as to why that might be?

Mrs. PAINE. No. I knew that he would go to bed as early as 10 o'clock

say on the Sunday evening before going to work the next day. This was

just, still early.

Mr. JENNER. What was Marina's attitude toward him that evening? Was she

reserved because of this quarrel?

Mrs. PAINE. No. I think she felt the best thing was to pass it by and

not discuss it.

Mr. JENNER. That was your impression of her?

Mrs. PAINE. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. Of her conduct.

Senator COOPER. That is just your idea about it, isn't it?

Mrs. PAINE. Well, and that I saw her do exactly, that too.

Mr. JENNER. Do exactly what?

Mrs. PAINE. She didn't ask him why he had come.

Mr. JENNER. Excuse me. You were present when Marina put a question

to----

Mrs. PAINE. She did not ask him.

Mr. JENNER. Oh, she did not.

Mr. McCLOY. She did not.

Mr. JENNER. Oh, I am sorry.

Mrs. PAINE. Certainly not in my presence.

Mr. JENNER. Do you have any impression as to how long he had been at

your home prior to your driving down the street and first seeing him?

Mrs. PAINE. He usually arrived from his ride with Wesley Frazier

somewhere around a quarter of 5, so I guess it was a few minutes to 10

minutes.

Mr. JENNER. You arrived at your home in the neighborhood of 5:25 or

5:30. So it is your impression that he had been at your home from 10 to

15 minutes?

Mrs. PAINE. No; I say from a few minutes to 10 minutes.

Mr. JENNER. A few minutes to 10 minutes. Did Marina say anything that

evening of his having a package with him when he came to your home?

Mrs. PAINE. No; she didn't.

Mr. JENNER. No discussion of that nature occurred?

Mrs. PAINE. No.

Mr. JENNER. I am going to put a general question to you. Do you have

any recollection at all of Lee Oswald actually being in the garage of

your home that evening?

Mrs. PAINE. I have said that I had the feeling from traffic that had

preceded it that he was in the bedroom when I saw he was no longer in

the rest of the house. When I saw the light was on, my distinct thought

was that he had left it on. I think that was founded upon an awareness

of what Marina had been doing and I suppose what he was doing.

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