Mrs. PAINE. In other words, it was common for both Marina and Lee to go
to the garage, but when I saw the light was on I was certain it was Lee
that had left it on.
Mr. JENNER. Rather than Marina?
Mrs. PAINE. Rather than Marina.
Mr. JENNER. Because of her habit of turning off lights?
Mrs. PAINE. Not only that. I feel that I--memory of what she had been
doing during the time that I was also putting the children to bed. She
was involved with the children.
Mr. JENNER. May we possibly do this. Did you see Marina in the garage
at anytime?
Mrs. PAINE. That evening?
Mr. JENNER. That evening.
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. You did not see Lee Oswald in the garage at anytime that
evening?
Mrs. PAINE. Did not see him in the garage; no.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Chairman, I intend at this moment to proceed to the
next day. I wondered if members of the Commission have any further
questions of Mrs. Paine with respect to the afternoon or evening of
November 21?
Mr. McCLOY. I don't have any. I think she has covered it all. I would
remind you that we have got to be leaving, Mr. Ford and I, and Senator
Cooper around noon. We would like to make as much progress as we can
before we go.
Mr. JENNER. That is fine. I will have completed this phase.
Senator COOPER. If you can get through the events of the 22d.
Mr. JENNER. You retired along about 11:30?
Mrs. PAINE. That is my recollection.
Mr. JENNER. The evening of the 21st. Did you sleep through the night?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. I woke at 7:30.
Mr. JENNER. The children did not awaken you at anytime during the night
and nothing else awakened you?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall that anything woke me; no.
Mr. JENNER. Is your recollection sufficient that you were not awakened
during the night, that is your definite impression at the moment?
Mrs. PAINE. I get up often in the night to change a diaper or cover a
child, but this is a matter of habit and I don't recall whether this
night contained such a getting up or not.
Mr. JENNER. You sleep with your children, do you not?
Mrs. PAINE. We are in the same bedroom.
Mr. JENNER. You awakened when in the morning?
Mrs. PAINE. At 7:30.
Mr. JENNER. And when you awakened, immediately after you awakened what
did you do?
Mrs. PAINE. When I awoke I felt the house was extremely quiet and the
thought occurred to me that Lee might have overslept. I wondered if he
had gotten up in time to get off around 7 o'clock because I knew he
had to go to meet Wesley Frazier to catch his ride. I looked about and
found a plastic coffee cup in the sink that had clearly been used and
judged he had had a cup of coffee and left.
Mr. JENNER. Did you see any other evidence of his having had breakfast?
Mrs. PAINE. That was all he normally had for breakfast.
Mr. JENNER. A plastic coffee cup with some remains in it of coffee?
Mrs. PAINE. Instant coffee; yes.
Mr. JENNER. What was his habit with respect to his breakfast when he
made his visits?
Mrs. PAINE. It was very normal for him to take coffee.
Mr. JENNER. Was Marina up and about when you arose at 7:30?
Mrs. PAINE. No; she was not.
Mr. JENNER. Do you have a recollection of the garage area? Was the door
to the garage, the entrance to the garage from the kitchen, closed or
open?
Mrs. PAINE. It was closed. Would it help if I tried to narrate what
happened?
Mr. JENNER. Yes.
Mr. McCLOY. Go ahead and narrate.
Mrs. PAINE. I fixed breakfast for myself and my children, turned on
the television set to hear President Kennedy speak in Fort Worth, and
had breakfast there. I left the house about 9 with my little girl and
boy, because she had a dentist appointment, the little girl. I left the
television set on, feeling that Marina might not think to turn it on,
but I knew that she would be interested to see President Kennedy.
I then was gone until nearly noon, 11:30 or so, both to the dentist
and on some errands following that, came back and there was coverage
of the fact of the motorcade in Dallas, but there was no television
cameras showing it, as you know, and Marina thanked me for having left
the television set on. She said she woke up in kind of a bad mood, but
she had seen the arrival of President Kennedy and Mrs. Kennedy at the
airport in Dallas, and had been thrilled with this occasion and with
the greeting he had received, and it had lifted her spirits.
Very shortly after this time, I had only just begun to prepare the
lunch, the announcement was made that the President had been shot, and
I translated this to Marina. She had not caught it from the television
statement. And I was crying as I did the translation. And then we sat
down and waited at the television set, no longer interested in the
preparing of lunch, and waited to hear further word.
I got out some candles and lit them, and my little girl also lighted a
candle, and Marina said to me, "Is that a way of praying?", and I said
"Yes, it is, just my own way." And it was well over an hour before we
heard definitely that the President was dead.
Mr. JENNER. How did that come to your attention?
Mrs. PAINE. It was announced on the television. I think it was even
still in the intervening time. It was announced on the television that
the shot which was supposed to have killed the President was fired from
the Texas School Book Depository Building on Elm.
Mr. JENNER. Did you communicate that to her?
Mrs. PAINE. Marina at this time was in the yard hanging some clothes. I
recall going out to her and telling her this.
Mr. JENNER. What did she say?