Mrs. PAINE. Twentieth.
Mr. JENNER. Twentieth of October. Was Lee present, in town, I mean?
Mrs. PAINE. He was at the house in Irving when labor began, and stayed
at the house to take care of June and my two children who were sleeping
while I took Marina to the hospital since I was the one who could drive.
Mr. JENNER. All right. The 20th is--when did you take her to the
hospital?
Mrs. PAINE. Around 9 o'clock in the evening.
Mr. JENNER. What day?
Mrs. PAINE. Sunday, the 20th of October.
Mr. JENNER. And Lee Harvey Oswald was out there on that weekend on one
of his regular visits?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. The first one since he had employment.
Representative FORD. Did you ever call either one of those numbers?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. We will get to it.
Mr. JENNER. You will forgive me because I would like to bring out the
particular circumstances of the call.
Representative FORD. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did Lee go back into town on Monday to go to work?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; he did. I informed him in the morning that he had
a baby girl. He was already asleep when I got back--no; that is not
right. He was not asleep when I got back from the hospital, but he had
gone to bed, and I stayed up and waited to call the hospital to hear
what word there was. So, that I knew after he was already asleep that
he had a baby girl. I told him in the morning before he went to work.
Mr. JENNER. You called him in Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. I am a little confused.
Mrs. PAINE. No; I am sorry, I will begin again. I took her to the
hospital and then I returned. I didn't feel I could stay. I thought I
should get back to my children.
Mr. JENNER. This was Sunday night.
Mrs. PAINE. Sunday night.
He went to bed, put Junie to bed. I stayed up and waited until what I
considered a proper time and then called the hospital to hear what news
there was. They had implied I could come and visit, too, but that would
have been incorrect, and learned that he had a baby girl. I then went
to bed and told him in the morning.
Mr. JENNER. You did not awaken him then?
Mrs. PAINE. I did not awaken him. I thought about it and I decided if
he was not interested in being awake I would tell him in the morning.
Mr. JENNER. And the morning was Monday?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Having learned that he was the father of a baby girl, I
assume you told him that?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did he go to work that day?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did he return to Irving that evening?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. It was agreed when he left that he would return that
evening.
Mr. JENNER. How did he--was he brought back to Irving that evening?
Mrs. PAINE. I imagine Wesley brought him.
Mr. JENNER. At least you did not?
Mrs. PAINE. I did not.
Mr. JENNER. Did he visit with Marina at the hospital that evening?
Mrs. PAINE. When he arrived it was not decided whether he would go
to the hospital or not. He thought not, and I thought he should, and
encouraged him to go.
Mr. JENNER. Why did he think he ought not to go?
Mrs. PAINE. I am uncertain about this. This thought crossed my mind
that perhaps he thought they would find out he was working, but I had
already told them he was working since I had been asked at the hospital
when she was admitted and I mentioned this and it may have changed his
mind about going, but this is conjecture on my part.
Mr. JENNER. In any event he did go?
Mrs. PAINE. He did go. It was a good thing as he was the only one
admitted, I was not either a father or grandmother so I was not
permitted to get in.
Mr. JENNER. I see, and you waited until his visit was over and returned
home with him?
Mrs. PAINE. That is right.
Mr. JENNER. Did he return to work the next morning?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; he did.
Mr. JENNER. When next did you hear from him?
Mrs. PAINE. The following Friday he came out again.
Mr. JENNER. Do you know how he returned to Dallas that following
morning, that is the 22d?
Mrs. PAINE. Probably went with Wesley also.
Mr. JENNER. And he came out the following weekend, did he?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. That was his birthday.
Mr. JENNER. The 18th of October is his birthday. Did you have a party
for him?
Mrs. PAINE. We had a cake; yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Was that weekend uneventful?
Mrs. PAINE. Well, Marina was already home.
Mr. JENNER. The baby was now home. She came home very quickly?
Mrs. PAINE. Very quickly, a day and a half. She was home on Tuesday,
the 16th, is that right--skipped a day, the 22d. So that his party was
the week before, too. I was wrong then.
Mr. JENNER. When did he return, on Friday of that week?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes, which was the 25th. I was mistaken.
Mr. JENNER. Did he call in each day in the interim?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And talk to Marina and to you?
Mrs. PAINE. Well, to Marina.
Mr. JENNER. Inquire about the baby?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. You overheard some of the conversation?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Was anything said about the nature of his reaction to his
position at the Texas School Book Depository on the second weekend
when he came home?
Mrs. PAINE. You are talking about the weekend of the 26th?
Mr. JENNER. That is right.
Mrs. PAINE. No; I don't recall anything being said.
Mr. JENNER. Now, the next weekend was November 1st to 3d, which is
Friday to Sunday, is that correct?
Mrs. PAINE. Right.
Mr. JENNER. Was he home on that weekend?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; he was.
Mr. JENNER. And did anything eventful occur on that weekend?
Mrs. PAINE. Just a minute. What I was looking for, I wanted to find out
whether I had taught a Russian lesson to my single student whom I saw
some Saturday afternoon on that weekend, and I recall that I did not.
So, the answer is no. I was there that Saturday. May I say if there was
a weekend other than October 12 when he came on Saturday instead of
Friday night, it was to have been that weekend?
Mr. JENNER. Which weekend?
Mrs. PAINE. The weekend of the 1st to the 3d. That is my best
recollection anyway.
Mr. JENNER. All right. But other than that possibility, there was
nothing--it was a normal weekend at your home?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Now, following that weekend, which was the weekend of
November 8 through 10, I think you have already described that weekend.
That was the one on which you went to the Texas driver's application
bureau, is it not?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. I recall him writing something on the early morning of
Saturday--this "Dear Sirs" letter.
Mr. JENNER. Yes; this is the letter or draft of letter dealing with his
reporting his visit to Mexico.
Mrs. PAINE. Or stating that he had done such a thing, which I did not
fully credit.
Mr. JENNER. Did he come the following weekend, that is the weekend of
November 15 through 17?
Mrs. PAINE. No; he did not.
Mr. JENNER. Why?
Mrs. PAINE. Marina asked him not to.
Mr. JENNER. This was the weekend preceding the ill-fated assassination
day?
Mrs. PAINE. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Why did she ask him not to?
Mrs. PAINE. She felt he had overstayed his welcome the previous weekend
which had been 3 days, 9th, 10th, and 11th because he was off Veterans
Day, the 11th of November, and she felt it would be simpler and more
comfortable if he didn't come out.
Mr. JENNER. Had you had a discussion with her prior to that time on
that subject?
Mrs. PAINE. I had not suggested that to her.
Mr. JENNER. Did you overhear her tell him that?
Mrs. PAINE. I did tell her I was planning a birthday party for my
little girl, and I heard her tell Lee not to come out because I
was having a birthday party. At some point in this same telephone
conversation likely I told him he did not need to have a car but to go
himself to the driver training station.
Mr. JENNER. You have described that event for us heretofore this
afternoon.
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Or this morning, I have forgotten which.
Mr. McCLOY. May I interrupt here. I wonder whether or not you would
want to take a rest now. We have been pretty arduous and let's take a
little recess now.
(Short recess.)
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Reporter, would you read the last interchange or
question and answer?
(The reporter read the question and answer.)
Mr. JENNER. Would you fix as best you can for us, the date or time that
you first saw the wrapped blanket after you had returned to Irving? How
long after that event did you see it to the best of your recollection?
Mrs. PAINE. I have said it was the latter part of October. I don't
think I can fix it more exactly.
Mr. JENNER. That would be almost or would be over a month afterwards?
You returned on September 24?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall thinking, that is, that anything like that
marks it as being particular noticeable. So that I am judging that I
recall seeing it in October, somewhere towards the end.
Mr. JENNER. Had anything occurred at that time that now leads you to
fix it at the latter part of October?
Mrs. PAINE. No; there is no way that I have to fix it.
Mr. JENNER. Did you stumble over it or something?
Mr. McCLOY. Could it have been as early as October 4 or the 7th when
you first got the call from him when he first returned to Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE. Conceivably, but I don't remember.
Mr. DULLES. Then you saw it on another occasion, how many days later
was that?
Mrs. PAINE. I can't fix it that near.
Mr. DULLES. It was several days later, was it, the time when it seemed
to have been moved from position "X" to position "XX"?
Mrs. PAINE. Oh, yes; that was later.
Mr. McCLOY. Can you place it at all, can you place your recollection at
all as having seen it in relation to the assassination? The date of the
assassination? Was it 2 weeks before, 3 weeks before?
Mrs. PAINE. I have inquired of myself for some weeks, was such a
package in my station wagon when I arrived from New Orleans, and I
cannot recall it, but I cannot be at all certain that there wasn't. I
certainly didn't unload it. I never lifted such a package.
Mr. JENNER. Only you and Marina took things out of your station wagon
at that time?
Mrs. PAINE. That is correct.