Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, where was he when he said this?
Mrs. PAINE. He was at the home so far as I remember. It might have been
during one of his telephone calls to the house, but I don't think so.
He rarely talked with me when he was out.
Mr. JENNER. This would be the weekend of what?
Mrs. PAINE. So this must have been the weekend of the 12th of October,
the same weekend.
Mr. JENNER. That was the weekend following his return to Dallas on the
7th of October?
Mrs. PAINE. Fourth of October.
Mr. JENNER. He departed on the 7th.
Mrs. PAINE. His return to Dallas, I am sorry.
Mr. JENNER. Yes; now, give it as chronologically as you can; how you
came by that telephone number, the circumstances under which it was
given to you.
Mrs. PAINE. He said this is the telephone number.
Mr. JENNER. Was Marina present?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes. He said of the room where he was staying, renting a
room, and I could reach him here if she went into labor.
Mr. JENNER. I see, the coming of the baby was imminent?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. When was the baby expected?
Mrs. PAINE. Any time after the first week in October. Any time, in
other words.
Mr. JENNER. The obstetrician predicted the birth of the child as when?
Mrs. PAINE. As due on the 22d.
Mr. JENNER. Did Marina have a different notion?
Mrs. PAINE. She thought it might be due around the 8th.
Mr. JENNER. So there was a considerable variance in the expectation
between the date and when the baby actually did arrive? When did the
baby actually arrive?
Mrs. PAINE. On the 20th of October, a Sunday.
Mr. JENNER. Did he give you more than one telephone number?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. At this occasion did he give you more than one telephone
number?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Just stick to this particular occasion. What telephone
number--did you record it?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. In what?
Mrs. PAINE. In ink in my telephone book.
Mr. JENNER. Your telephone and address book?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Have you opened that telephone address book to the page in
which you have made that recording?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I have.
Mr. JENNER. Is that the page you identified yesterday?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Excuse me, Mr. Chairman, may I examine it for a moment here.
Now, relate for the record the telephone number that Mr. Oswald gave
you, the first one he gave you on this particular occasion?
Mrs. PAINE. The number was WH 2-1985.
Mr. JENNER. And that is at the bottom of the page written in ink.
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Is that in your handwriting?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes; it is.
Mr. JENNER. What exchange is "WH" in Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't know. I did not know. I know now, maybe I know,
Whitehall, something. I know now what it is, but I didn't know then.
Mr. JENNER. Did he on that occasion say anything about where the
apartment or room was?
Mrs. PAINE. No; he did not.
Mr. JENNER. He did not give you an address?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Didn't locate it in any area in Dallas?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. All he gave you was the telephone number?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Did he say anything that would indicate to you that you are
other than free to call him and ask for him by his surname you knew him
by?
Mrs. PAINE. No; he did not make such a limitation.
Mr. JENNER. I take it from your testimony that the number was given
to you, at least the discussion was, so that you could call him in
connection with the oncoming event of the birth of his child?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Am I correct about this?
Mrs. PAINE. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Now, you have mentioned a second number that Mr. Oswald,
Lee Harvey Oswald, gave you. Did you receive that second number
subsequent to the birth of Rachel or prior to that time?
Mrs. PAINE. Also prior to the birth of Rachel.
Mr. JENNER. Now, relate for the Commission the circumstances under
which you received a second number?
Mrs. PAINE. He gave me a second number, I suppose by phone, but I don't
recall.
Mr. JENNER. When?
Mrs. PAINE. It was certainly before the birth of the baby because again
it was so that I could reach him if she went to the hospital.
Mr. JENNER. He called you or related this to you in your home?
Mrs. PAINE. What?
Mr. JENNER. He either called you by telephone or he was present in your
home and gave you the second number?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Which recollection serves you best, that he called or that
he gave it to you in your home?
Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall.
Mr. JENNER. What did he say?
Mrs. PAINE. He said he moved to different rooms, was paying a dollar a
week more, $8 instead of $7; incidentally, I needed to know how much he
was paying in order to put this on the form of Parkland Hospital, but
that it was a little more comfortable and he had television privileges
and privileges to use the refrigerator. And he gave me this number.
Mr. JENNER. This was after he obtained employment with the Texas School
Book Depository, was it?
Mrs. PAINE. I would rationalize that I have judged so.
Mr. JENNER. Is it your best recollection?
Mrs. PAINE. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. On the second occasion did he give you the location or even
the area in Dallas where his second room was located?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Did you inquire of him?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. No address?
Mrs. PAINE. No.
Mr. JENNER. Was the telephone number given you with any reservation as
to when you might call him?
Mrs. PAINE. No such reservation.
Mr. JENNER. Any indication that you should ask him, asking for him by
other than his surname by which you knew him?
Mrs. PAINE. No such indication.