Mr. JENNER. So, he had a full year $65 membership for the year 1958,
that is, 1 year from the time he joined which was September 10, 1958,
and he rejoined at the same rate on--$65, a year, on November 1, 1959,
and then in 1962, he had a $74 membership, which was really an increase
in your charge?
Mr. HULEN. That's right.
Mr. JENNER. For 1 year commencing October 1, 1959--but he didn't get
around to paying it, apparently until the following spring, which was
the $25, on the 18th of April and the $49, on the 3d of August, and
then on June 1, 1963, he took out a 3-month or a 90-day short term
membership?
Mr. HULEN. Yes; a short-term membership.
Mr. JENNER. That expired on September 1st of that year, is that correct?
Mr. HULEN. That's correct.
Mr. JENNER. I offer Hulen Exhibit No. 1 in evidence. Did Ruby ever live
at the YMCA?
Mr. HULEN. Not to my knowledge.
Mr. JENNER. Do you know whether the records of the YMCA have been
checked to determine or confirm that?
Mr. HULEN. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. JENNER. But as--at least as far as your personal recollection is
concerned, you do not recall his ever having been a guest in what you
call the dormitory?
Mr. HULEN. No, sir; I don't.
Mr. JENNER. I take it you recall Mr. Ruby using the Health Club
facilities?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir; I do--very well.
Mr. JENNER. And do you ever recall having any contact with or seeing a
person known as Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. HULEN. No, sir.
Mr. JENNER. At the suggestion of Mr. Sorrels, of the Secret Service,
have you caused an examination to be made of the guest record of the
YMCA to determine whether a person by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald or
Lee Oswald was ever a guest at the YMCA?
Mr. HULEN. I wouldn't be in a position to know--I'm not familiar enough
with that and I have nothing whatsoever to do with it so I don't know
what has been done or what has been requested.
Mr. JENNER. You have brought to me today a longhand sheet which appears
on ruled notepaper and is what purports to be a list of registrations
for one Lee Oswald during the year 1962, and another entry, one for the
year 1963, Hulen Exhibit No. 2. From whom and from what source did you
obtain this document?
Mr. HULEN. From Mr. McRee's secretary, who is the resident manager.
Mr. JENNER. McRee is the resident manager?
Mr. HULEN. Mr. McRee is the resident manager.
Mr. JENNER. And his secretary furnished you this slip of paper?
Mr. HULEN. That's correct.
Mr. JENNER. Did she advise you from what source she obtained these
entries?
Mr. HULEN. I made the entries myself from her records of the payments.
Mr. JENNER. I understand--you prepared this and it is in your
handwriting?
Mr. HULEN. That is correct; yes.
Mr. JENNER. And from what source did you obtain the information on this
piece of paper?
Mr. HULEN. From her receipts of payment for room rent.
Mr. JENNER. And those are records that are kept by the YMCA in the
usual and regular course of business?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And you personally examined them?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. Did you find, when you personally examined those receipt
records, any receipts in the name of a person named Lee Oswald.
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. You actually saw on the receipts the name "Lee Oswald"?
Mr. HULEN. I sure did. Yes, sir; I did.
Mr. JENNER. And then you have listed under the first heading of "Lee
Oswald," a series of dates, October 15, October 16, October 17, and
October 18, 1962, in each instance. Then, in parentheses following
those entries in the the same sequences appears the name Burge and
the name Burgess and the name Burge again and then the name Barker.
Following those in the same descending sequence are serial numbers:
"L-18198." In your last column and in the same sequence are dollar
figures: "3.25, 2.25, 2.25 and again 2.25." Now, would you explain
those entries, please?
Mr. HULEN. Well, he checked in on 10-15-62.
Mr. JENNER. That is Lee Oswald?
Mr. HULEN. Lee Oswald check in on 10-15-62. The desk clerk at that
time was a Mr. Burge, and the L-18198, was the number of the receipt
which was given Lee Oswald, and the amount of $3.25, was $2.25 for the
night's lodging and $1 deposit on the room key, which is refunded when
it is returned to the front desk. Shall I go on?
Mr. JENNER. Yes. And then there is an additional set of entries below
those we have now described and they read, "Lee Oswald, [spelling]
T-o-r-o, Calif.," and the next line October 3, 1963----Barker?
Mr. HULEN. Barker was the desk clerk, and the M-15593 was the number of
the receipt and $3.25 was the room fee and a $1 deposit on the key.
Mr. JENNER. Now, those entries record the fact then that Oswald was a
guest at the YMCA October 15th through October 19th, both inclusive,
and again on October 3, 1963?
Mr. HULEN. Through October 18th, I believe it is, isn't it?
Mr. JENNER. It shows he was a guest at the YMCA October 15, 16, 17, 18,
and 19, of 1962, and again on October 3 and to October 4, of 1963?
Mr. HULEN. That's correct.
Mr. JENNER. Now, the examination of the receipts for lodging of guests
at the YMCA reveal only those entries you have now described and are
listed on this sheet of paper with respect to Lee Oswald?
Mr. HULEN. That's correct.
Mr. JENNER. The years--during the years 1962 and 1963?
Mr. HULEN. Correct.
Mr. JENNER. And had he been a guest and registered in on any other
occasion during the years 1962 and 1963, would there have been and
would there be now a registration entry and a receipt for payment of
the character you have described?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir; I am sure there would be.
Mr. JENNER. Now, we would like the YMCA to furnish us photostatic
copies of those five receipts just as you have furnished us a
photostatic copy of Mr. Ruby's membership application.
Mr. HULEN. I would be glad to do it.
Mr. JENNER. We would appreciate it very much.
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And if we can have those this afternoon, we would like it.
Mr. HULEN. I'm sure we can arrange it and give them to you. Shall I
bring them right here?
Mr. JENNER. Yes; please do and we will give them to Miss Oliver and she
can incorporate them in the transcript. I offer Hulen Exhibit No. 2.
To be best of your recollection and drawing on whatever knowledge you
have, you don't recall anybody by that name, Lee Oswald, ever having
used the Health Club facilities?
Mr. HULEN. No, sir; not to my knowledge.
Mr. JENNER. And you know Jack Ruby well enough--do you recall this
person Lee Oswald ever having been in the company of Jack Ruby at the
YMCA?
Mr. HULEN. No, sir.
Mr. JENNER. You have seen pictures of Lee Oswald on television and in
newspapers and magazines?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir; I have.
Mr. JENNER. And that person is clear in your mind--do you recall his
physical characteristics?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir; I do.
Mr. JENNER. So that you are able to say with a reasonable degree of
certainty, so far as you are concerned, that you never saw that person
using the Health Club facilities and you never saw him in the company
of Jack Ruby?
Mr. HULEN. That is correct.
Mr. JENNER. Tell us what kind of a fellow Ruby was?