Mr. JENNER. In your general impression?
Mr. HULEN. I found Jack Ruby to be friendly and courteous and a
well-behaved person. He seemed to have a lot of enthusiasm about
anything that he liked. He generated a lot of enthusiasm around that.
For instance, any athletic events or sports he discussed--he discussed
that with the other members, which is the usual topic of well-known
weight lifters, for instance, there are several--Reeves and Stanko and
I can name several of them.
Mr. JENNER. Was Ruby a weight lifter? Did he dabble at that?
Mr. HULEN. Well, I should define weight lifting and body building.
Weight lifting is competing, like you have in the Olympics, which is
heavy lifting. In other words, you go to your maximum. Now, in body
building, you take a minimum amount of weight and exercise longer--in
other words, if you work with the heavy weights you can't work as long
with the heavy weights as you can with the lighter weights, and Ruby
was more of a body builder. In other words, he worked with the lighter
weights over a longer period of time. In other words, he was not after,
in my opinion, he wasn't after a large body or bulging muscle, he just
wanted to stay in a good general physical condition.
It wasn't necessary for me to set up any kind of a program for him. He
had had experience in the past and he knew pretty well what he wanted
to do, so actually there was very little, if any, supervision on my
part. He used the facilities and behaved very well and I found him to
be a nice person to talk to--to visit with.
Mr. JENNER. All right, sir. Leave the deposition open for the moment,
Miss Oliver, because Mr. Hulen will return with the photostatic copies
of those records and we will close his deposition when we take care of
that.
Mr. HULEN. Now, I will be tied up until about 1. Would 1:30 or 2
o'clock be agreeable with you?
Mr. JENNER. 2 o'clock is fine.
(At this point the witness Hulen left the deposing room, the
proceedings of the deposition to be resumed at 2 p.m., of this same
date, April 1, 1964, and were resumed as follows:)
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Hulen has kindly returned this afternoon with copies of
the receipts to which he made reference in his testimony and of which
he supplied a longhand list on ruled notebook paper, Hulen Exhibit
No. 2. Now that we have the originals, we can substitute them. They
are five in number, and I identified them as entitled "Receipts Young
Men's Christian Association of Dallas Downtown Branch." They are signed
respectively by "Burge [spelling] B-u-r-g-e" and "Barker." We will work
them in order of dates, as Hulen Exhibits Nos. 3, 4, 5, and 6, and the
receipt of October 3 as Hulen Exhibit No. 7. I take it they were desk
clerks?
Mr. HULEN. The desk clerks.
Mr. JENNER. Mr. Burge registered in Mr. Oswald on October 15, 1962, is
that correct?
Mr. HULEN. That's correct--yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And the receipt shows the room number, room No. 415. Does
that indicate the room to which he was assigned?
Mr. HULEN. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. And then there is $2.25, and underneath, opposite that,
"Deposit--$1, total $3.25." And that represents the charge for the room
and key deposit you testified about this morning?
Mr. HULEN. Yes; that's correct.
Mr. JENNER. The next one is dated October 16, 1962, also--name: Lee
Oswald, same room, $2.25, initialed, however--it looks like "HB", or is
this "W. Burgess."
Mr. HULEN. Correct; Burgess.
Mr. JENNER. He is also a registration clerk or desk clerk?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. The next is dated the 17th of October 1962, in the name of
Lee Oswald, the same room number, $2.25, signed by Mr. Burge, whom we
have already identified. The next is dated October 18, 1962, the same
name--Lee Oswald, same room number, same amount, but this time signed
by just one word "Barker." Is this a Mr. Barker or Miss Barker?
Mr. HULEN. Yes--Mr. Barker.
Mr. JENNER. Is he also a room clerk or registration clerk?
Mr. HULEN. Yes; he is.
Mr. JENNER. And the last in this series is dated October 3, 1963, and
in this instance it is in the name of Lee H. Oswald, and it shows an
address, whereas, none of the other of the first four had an address,
and the address is listed here as Toro [spelling] T-o-r-o, Calif.
[Spelling] C-a-l.
I notice something on the first of the series which I notice again
on this one of October 3, 1963, which is the printing on the line
entitled, "Membership fees," and there is the word written in
longhand, "service." That's true of the first and the last of these
receipts--what does that indicate?
Mr. HULEN. That indicates that he was a serviceman and that, in my
opinion, that waives the membership fee.
Mr. JENNER. The room number on the October 3 receipt is 601. That, as
in the case of the others, indicates the room to which he was assigned?
Mr. HULEN. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. On this visit on October 3?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. That line says, "Room 601 to 10/4," meaning October 4, I
assume.
Mr. HULEN. I imagine--yes, sir.
Mr. JENNER. $2.25 is shown for the room and a dollar for the key
deposit, which I take it means he was charged $2.25 for that Room 601,
for 1 day or 1 night, plus a dollar to cover the key deposit?
Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir--that's correct.
Mr. JENNER. I think that concludes Mr. Hulen's deposition. I offer
Hulen Exhibits Nos. 3 to 7, both inclusive. And we may close the
deposition at this point.
Mr. Hulen, I didn't mention this this morning, but you may read over
your deposition when Miss Oliver has completed it and if you will call
in to the U.S. Attorney's Office here, Mr. Barefoot Sanders or his
secretary will know when it is ready for you to read it.
Mr. HULEN. All right, sir.
Mr. JENNER. And if you have any corrections, we would like to have them
and then you sign the deposition, or you may waive the signature now,
if you wish.
Mr. HULEN. All right, I will waive the signature.