Mr. HULEN. Well, I found----

Mr. JENNER. In your general impression?

Mr. HULEN. I found Jack Ruby to be friendly and courteous and a

well-behaved person. He seemed to have a lot of enthusiasm about

anything that he liked. He generated a lot of enthusiasm around that.

For instance, any athletic events or sports he discussed--he discussed

that with the other members, which is the usual topic of well-known

weight lifters, for instance, there are several--Reeves and Stanko and

I can name several of them.

Mr. JENNER. Was Ruby a weight lifter? Did he dabble at that?

Mr. HULEN. Well, I should define weight lifting and body building.

Weight lifting is competing, like you have in the Olympics, which is

heavy lifting. In other words, you go to your maximum. Now, in body

building, you take a minimum amount of weight and exercise longer--in

other words, if you work with the heavy weights you can't work as long

with the heavy weights as you can with the lighter weights, and Ruby

was more of a body builder. In other words, he worked with the lighter

weights over a longer period of time. In other words, he was not after,

in my opinion, he wasn't after a large body or bulging muscle, he just

wanted to stay in a good general physical condition.

It wasn't necessary for me to set up any kind of a program for him. He

had had experience in the past and he knew pretty well what he wanted

to do, so actually there was very little, if any, supervision on my

part. He used the facilities and behaved very well and I found him to

be a nice person to talk to--to visit with.

Mr. JENNER. All right, sir. Leave the deposition open for the moment,

Miss Oliver, because Mr. Hulen will return with the photostatic copies

of those records and we will close his deposition when we take care of

that.

Mr. HULEN. Now, I will be tied up until about 1. Would 1:30 or 2

o'clock be agreeable with you?

Mr. JENNER. 2 o'clock is fine.

(At this point the witness Hulen left the deposing room, the

proceedings of the deposition to be resumed at 2 p.m., of this same

date, April 1, 1964, and were resumed as follows:)

Mr. JENNER. Mr. Hulen has kindly returned this afternoon with copies of

the receipts to which he made reference in his testimony and of which

he supplied a longhand list on ruled notebook paper, Hulen Exhibit

No. 2. Now that we have the originals, we can substitute them. They

are five in number, and I identified them as entitled "Receipts Young

Men's Christian Association of Dallas Downtown Branch." They are signed

respectively by "Burge [spelling] B-u-r-g-e" and "Barker." We will work

them in order of dates, as Hulen Exhibits Nos. 3, 4, 5, and 6, and the

receipt of October 3 as Hulen Exhibit No. 7. I take it they were desk

clerks?

Mr. HULEN. The desk clerks.

Mr. JENNER. Mr. Burge registered in Mr. Oswald on October 15, 1962, is

that correct?

Mr. HULEN. That's correct--yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. And the receipt shows the room number, room No. 415. Does

that indicate the room to which he was assigned?

Mr. HULEN. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. And then there is $2.25, and underneath, opposite that,

"Deposit--$1, total $3.25." And that represents the charge for the room

and key deposit you testified about this morning?

Mr. HULEN. Yes; that's correct.

Mr. JENNER. The next one is dated October 16, 1962, also--name: Lee

Oswald, same room, $2.25, initialed, however--it looks like "HB", or is

this "W. Burgess."

Mr. HULEN. Correct; Burgess.

Mr. JENNER. He is also a registration clerk or desk clerk?

Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. The next is dated the 17th of October 1962, in the name of

Lee Oswald, the same room number, $2.25, signed by Mr. Burge, whom we

have already identified. The next is dated October 18, 1962, the same

name--Lee Oswald, same room number, same amount, but this time signed

by just one word "Barker." Is this a Mr. Barker or Miss Barker?

Mr. HULEN. Yes--Mr. Barker.

Mr. JENNER. Is he also a room clerk or registration clerk?

Mr. HULEN. Yes; he is.

Mr. JENNER. And the last in this series is dated October 3, 1963, and

in this instance it is in the name of Lee H. Oswald, and it shows an

address, whereas, none of the other of the first four had an address,

and the address is listed here as Toro [spelling] T-o-r-o, Calif.

[Spelling] C-a-l.

I notice something on the first of the series which I notice again

on this one of October 3, 1963, which is the printing on the line

entitled, "Membership fees," and there is the word written in

longhand, "service." That's true of the first and the last of these

receipts--what does that indicate?

Mr. HULEN. That indicates that he was a serviceman and that, in my

opinion, that waives the membership fee.

Mr. JENNER. The room number on the October 3 receipt is 601. That, as

in the case of the others, indicates the room to which he was assigned?

Mr. HULEN. Yes.

Mr. JENNER. On this visit on October 3?

Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. That line says, "Room 601 to 10/4," meaning October 4, I

assume.

Mr. HULEN. I imagine--yes, sir.

Mr. JENNER. $2.25 is shown for the room and a dollar for the key

deposit, which I take it means he was charged $2.25 for that Room 601,

for 1 day or 1 night, plus a dollar to cover the key deposit?

Mr. HULEN. Yes, sir--that's correct.

Mr. JENNER. I think that concludes Mr. Hulen's deposition. I offer

Hulen Exhibits Nos. 3 to 7, both inclusive. And we may close the

deposition at this point.

Mr. Hulen, I didn't mention this this morning, but you may read over

your deposition when Miss Oliver has completed it and if you will call

in to the U.S. Attorney's Office here, Mr. Barefoot Sanders or his

secretary will know when it is ready for you to read it.

Mr. HULEN. All right, sir.

Mr. JENNER. And if you have any corrections, we would like to have them

and then you sign the deposition, or you may waive the signature now,

if you wish.

Mr. HULEN. All right, I will waive the signature.

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