The Count received us very politely. He spoke much of his want of

health, and how greatly it incapacitated him for business. He then

asked the Major several questions about our military operations. The

Major answered them clearly, and, in speaking of the proposed siege of

New York, very naturally introduced an account of the surprise and

apprehensions occasioned by the permission given to the Pensacola

garrison to join that of New York. The Count confessed it was ill

done; said it was very unexpected, and that they ought to have been

sent to Europe; that the like should not happen in future, and that

proper orders upon that subject should be despatched to their

Generals. He then observed, that our fears were not altogether well

founded, for that those troops were restrained by the capitulation

from taking arms against the allies of Spain till exchanged, and could

not operate against our troops without also operating against those of

France, who were joined with them, and who, it was well known, were

the allies of Spain. The Major replied, that it was feared that the

enemy would attempt to evade this reasoning, by insisting that the

French troops in America were only to be considered as auxiliaries to

the United States, and that though that argument might be fallacious,

yet, that in matters affecting America, the enemy had invariably

neglected good faith, whenever they found it convenient.

The Count asked how long the Major would stay here. I told him, that I

only detained him in expectation of being soon enabled by his

Excellency to write something decisive by him to Congress on the

subjects under his consideration. He said he hoped in the course of

next week to enter into serious conferences with me on those subjects,

and that he would give me notice of the day. He offered to give the

Major letters to the Spanish Ambassador at Paris, and to do him any

other services in his power. He then rose from his chair in a manner

indicating indisposition, said he was unable to do business, and that

M. Del Campo should inform me when it would be convenient for him that

I should see him again. I expressed my regret at his illness, and gave

him the French translation of Mr Morris's letter, adding, that I had

intended to offer him some remarks on the subject of it. He said he

would read it with pleasure. He spoke of Mr Morris's appointment, and

after conversing a few minutes about the good consequences expected

from it, and of the services done by that gentleman to Spain, in some

business they had committed to his care, we parted.

Thus this conference ended as fruitless as the last.

Eight days elapsed. I heard nothing from the Minister. He was daily at

Court, and every evening took his ride.

I repeatedly mentioned and complained of these delays to the French

Ambassador. He regretted them, promised to speak to the Minister on

the subject; but, I believe, did not. I appeared much dissatisfied,

though not with him; and told him, that if Major Franks returned to

America with no other intelligence than that of repeated delays, it

was more than probable that Congress would be much hurt, as well as

much disappointed. He had the same fears, and advised me to detain the

Major.

It became in my opinion important, that the Minister, as well as the

French Ambassador, should be seriously apprehensive of my dismissing

the Major with letters, that would render Congress very little

disposed to make sacrifices to this Court. The manner of doing this

required some caution. I could think of nothing better than to prepare

a letter to the Minister, and send the Ambassador a fair copy of my

draft for his consideration and advice.

The following are copies of that letter, and of the one I sent with it

to the Ambassador.

TO THE COUNT DE MONTMORIN.

"St Ildefonso, September 16th, 1781.

"Sir,

"The paper herewith enclosed is the draft of a letter, which

I think of writing to his Excellency, the Count de Florida

Blanca.

"The subject, as well as the occasion, demands that dexterous

and delicate management, of which they only are capable, who

possess an accurate judgment and much experience in affairs

of this kind.

"I am happy, therefore, that on such occasions I can avoid

the risk of committing errors, by recurring to your friendly

advice. Without compliment, but with sincerity,

I am, Sir, &c.

JOHN JAY."

TO THE COUNT DE FLORIDA BLANCA.

"Whatever may be the issue of the American revolution,

whether that country shall continue independent, or be doomed

to reunite her power with that of Great Britain, the good

will and affection of the people of North America cannot in

either case be unimportant to their neighbors; nor will the

impressions made upon their minds by the benefits or

injuries, which they may receive from other nations in the

course of their present struggles, ever cease to have a

certain degree of influence on their future conduct.

"Various circumstances led Congress at an early period to

suppose, that the Court of Spain had wisely and generously

determined to take a decided part in their favor. The

supplies granted to them by his Catholic Majesty, soon after

the British armies became numerous in America, spoke this

language in strong terms, and the assurances repeatedly given

me by your Excellency, that his Majesty would firmly support

their cause, and never consent to their being reduced to the

subjection of Britain, left no room to doubt of his friendly

disposition and intentions towards them.

"Many obvious considerations prompted Congress to desire,

that an intimate connexion might speedily be established

between the two countries by such treaties as would take from

the enemy every prospect of success, and secure to Spain and

the United States the permanent enjoyment of mutual

advantages and reciprocal attachment. With this view Congress

were pleased to send me to Spain, and the first letter I had

the honor of receiving from your Excellency gave me reason to

believe, that the object of my mission was not displeasing

to his Majesty; unavoidable and long delays were,

nevertheless, created by differences respecting a certain

important right, which America wished to retain. So strong,

however, was the reliance of Congress on his Majesty's

assurances of support, and such was their disposition to

render the proposed treaties consistent with his

inclinations, that they have since agreed to remove the only

obstacle, which seemed to prevent his Majesty from realising

those assurances by substantial aids and an open declaration

of his intentions.

"But unfortunately for America, and perhaps for the general

cause, the delays in question have not ceased with the cause

to which they were ascribed, and although the confidence

reposed by Congress in his Majesty's assurances will not

permit them to doubt of his determination to support their

independence, yet the silent inattention, with which their

offers to remove the former obstacle to a treaty have long

laid unanswered, must appear to them as being very singular.

Your Excellency has indeed repeatedly promised me to name a

time when I should have an opportunity of conferring with you

on that and other subjects submitted to your consideration,

but it constantly happened that the expectations excited by

these promises proved abortive.

"Knowing that Congress would expect to receive by the return

of Major Franks particular information respecting their

affairs here, I was anxious to send them some intelligence

more welcome than I have reason to think a detail of delays

and procrastination would be, in a season when they would be

indulging the most flattering expectations from the measures

they had taken to gratify his Majesty. For this reason I

informed your Excellency, that I should detain Major Franks

for the present, and your Excellency promised me on the 8th

instant, that you would appoint some time in the ensuing week

for entering into a serious conference about these matters,

and that M. Del Campo should give me notice of it. That week,

however, has passed away without having been witness to any

such notice or conference.

"I think your Excellency will do me the justice to

acknowledge that the utmost respect, delicacy, and patience,

have been observed in all my transactions with your

Excellency, and therefore I cannot forbear hinting that my

constituents are at least entitled to that species of

attention, which the most dignified sovereigns usually pay to

the friendly propositions of such States, as solicit either

their aid or alliance in a decent manner, viz. a candid

answer.

"I am sensible that Spain possesses a higher degree on the

scale of national importance than the United States, and I

can readily admit, that the friendship of this Court is of

more immediate consequence to America, than that of America

to the Spanish empire. But as his Catholic Majesty and his

Ministers doubtless extend their views beyond the present

moment, it would ill become me to remark, how essential it is

to the happiness of neighboring nations, that their conduct

towards each other should be actuated by such passions and

sentiments only, as naturally tend to establish and

perpetuate harmony and good will between them. Most certain

it is, that in whatever manner the negotiations between Spain

and North America may terminate, various good or evil

consequences will in future naturally and necessarily flow

from it to both.

"There is good reason to believe, that the apparent

indecision of Spain, relative to an open acknowledgment of

the independence of the United States, has inspired other

nations with doubts and conjectures unfavorable to the

American cause, and on the other hand, it is more than

probable that, if his Catholic Majesty would be pleased to

declare to the world, that the United States were his allies,

and that he had given his royal word to support their

independence, Holland and many other nations would follow his

example.

"On such an event, also, it might not be difficult to form a

permanent alliance between France, Spain, the Dutch and the

United States, and thereby not only prevent a separate peace

between the Dutch and English, but effectually reduce the

latter to reasonable terms of general pacification.

"The limits of a letter forbid my enlarging on these topics.

The eyes of America, and indeed of all Europe, are turned

towards Spain. It is in the power of his Catholic Majesty to

increase his friends and humble his enemies. I will only add

my most sincere wishes, that the annals of America may inform

succeeding generations, that the wisdom, constancy, and

generous protection of his Catholic Majesty, Charles the

Third, and of his Minister, the Count de Florida Blanca, are

to be ranked among the causes that insured success to a

revolution, which posterity will consider as one of the most

important and interesting events in modern history.

JOHN JAY."

The Ambassador called upon me in the evening to answer my letter.

He observed, that the delays of which I complained were not singular,

but that others, and even himself, experienced the like. That he had

reason to believe this Court were really disposed to treat with us,

though the time when might be doubtful. That the remarks made in the

draft of my intended letter were but too just; that he feared they

would give offence; that at any rate, he thought I had better postpone

it, and for the present write one less pointed, and more laconic. We

had much conversation on the subject, unnecessary to repeat. It ended

in my consenting to pursue his advice.

It is observable, that he did not offer to return me the draft of this

letter, though I had agreed to suppress it.

The letter which, agreeable to the Ambassador's advice, I substituted

in the place of the other, is in these words, viz.

St Ildefonso, September 17th, 1781.

"Sir,

"A reluctance to despatch Major Franks without transmitting

by him to Congress the information they expect to receive, on

the subject I have had the honor of submitting to your

Excellency's consideration, has induced me hitherto to detain

him, especially as I was encouraged to hope that your

Excellency would have found leisure last week for entering

into serious conference with me on those important points.

The same reluctance prevails upon me to detain him another

week, and I think it my duty to inform your Excellency that

he will set out on Saturday next.

"I need not remark to your Excellency, that if the letter I

may then write by him should not contain the desired

intelligence, Congress will naturally be led to apprehend

that their expectations of forming an intimate union with

Spain were not well founded.

"I have the honor to be, &c.

JOHN JAY."

On the 19th, I received the following answer.

Translation.

"The Count de Florida Blanca would have been charmed to have

had it in his power to have a long conference with Mr Jay, if

his ordinary indispositions had not prevented him; he will,

therefore, have the honor to see him this evening about eight

o'clock, if Mr Jay will give himself the trouble of waiting

on him, either alone or with Major Franks, and in

communicating to the King the result of their conference, he

will endeavor to prevail on his Majesty to name some other

person to confer with Mr Jay in case of need, in order to

avoid, as much as possible, the embarrassments which Mr Jay

has hitherto experienced.

_Wednesday, 19th of September, 1781._"

I waited upon the Count at the time appointed. The following is a copy

of my notes of that conference.

_Notes of a Conference held at St Ildefonso, on Wednesday

Evening, the 19th of September, 1781, between his

Excellency, the Count de Florida Blanca, and Mr Jay,

agreeably to the appointment of the former._

The Count introduced the conference by asking for Major Franks, and

why Mr Jay did not bring him with him. Mr Jay answered, that as Major

Franks was not charged with the transaction of any business with his

Excellency, and had, at a former interview, answered such questions

relative to American affairs as the Count had thought proper to ask

him, Mr Jay did not think his attendance on this occasion necessary,

as he supposed his Excellency meant to enter at present into the

discussion of the matters referred to in Mr Jay's last letter.

The Count then proceeded to enumerate the various obstacles arising

from his ill health, the multiplicity of business, which had so long

subjected Mr Jay to the delays he had hitherto experienced, and which,

for his part, he could not but regret; that agreeable to his promise

made to Mr Jay soon after his arrival, and frequently afterwards

repeated, he had attempted to commit to paper his sentiments on the

various points on which the proposed treaties must turn, and although

he had made some progress in it, he had, for the reasons

abovementioned, been obliged to leave it imperfect; that daily

experience convinced him that his official business was too extensive

and various to admit of his application to other objects, especially

as his indisposition often rendered it impracticable for him to pay a

due attention to it; that he, therefore, conceived it necessary that

some person, duly authorised to confer with Mr Jay on these subjects,

should be appointed by his Majesty; that he intended on Sunday next to

recommend this measure to the King, to whom he would at the same time

communicate the copy of Mr Morris's letter to Mr Jay, which the latter

had given him; that in order to the putting of this matter in proper

train, it would be expedient for Mr Jay previously to commit to paper

his ideas of the outlines of the proposed treaties, and particularly

to state the propositions he might think proper to make relative

thereto; that he had been informed, that the treaties between France

and America had been preceded by the like measures; for that the

American Commissioners had first offered a plan of propositions, and

then M. Gerard was appointed to confer with them before those treaties

were drawn into the state they now appear, and finally concluded. That

the like proceedings were rendered particularly necessary in this

case, by the variety and importance of the points necessary to be

adjusted between Spain and America; that in forming political

connexions between nations, constant regard must be had to their

reciprocal interests, and care taken, by previous arrangements, to

avoid the inconveniences which would result from any clashing of

interest; that three great points presented themselves, as requiring

great attention, in forming the proposed connexion between Spain and

America.

1st. The aids requested by America, as stated in Mr Morris's letter,

were very considerable; that it would be necessary, on the part of

Spain to determine what pecuniary aids it might be in their power to

grant either by loan or subsidy, as well as the time, place, and

manner of payment; for that great punctuality was requisite in such

transactions, as well that the royal engagements might be properly

fulfilled, as that Congress might not be subjected to inconveniences

and disappointments; that on the part of America, it must be

ascertained what compensation they should make, as well as the time

and manner of doing it; and that it might be well to consider how far

such compensation might be made in ship timber, or other productions

of that country; that a compensation would be indispensable, for that

the King, being only the guardian of his dominions, would not think

himself justifiable in dispensing with the just rights of his people.

2dly. That the commercial concerns of the two countries was another

point, which would call for very accurate and important regulations.

That so far as this commerce would respect the United States and old

Spain, the difficulty would not be very great; for that such commerce

being in a considerable degree permitted to other nations, America

ought also to participate in the benefits of it. But with respect to

the Spanish dominions in America, as all other nations were excluded

from any direct commerce with any part of them, the United States

could not reasonably expect to be on a better footing than other

nations, and particularly the French, who were the near allies of

Spain.

3dly. That with respect to the proposed treaty of alliance, Mr Jay

must be sensible, that the several engagements, which would thereby be

rendered necessary between the parties, the matters of boundary, and

the navigation of the Mississippi, would give occasion to several

important articles, which ought to be maturely considered and well

digested. To this end, he wished that Mr Jay would immediately turn

his thoughts on these subjects, and offer him such a set of

propositions, as might become the basis of future conferences between

him and the person whom he expected his Majesty would appoint.

The Count then took occasion to observe, that he had long wished Mr

Jay had offered him such propositions, but that his Court had as yet

received from Congress nothing but good words and fair assurances, and

that though his Majesty had given them some little aids, yet they had

discovered no disposition, by acts, to acknowledge them. Mr Jay

reminded his Excellency of his having, at a very early day, undertaken

to commit to paper the outlines of the proposed treaties, and that the

constant expectations of his perfecting it, had restrained Mr Jay from

offering anything of the like nature on the subject. That he could

conceive of nothing in the power of Congress to do, which could more

fully evidence their disposition to gratify his Majesty, than their

having offered to recede from their claims to the navigation of the

Mississippi, though the preservation of it was deemed of the highest

importance to their constituents. The Count admitted the propriety of

both these observations, and said he hoped that the delays, which had

so long embarrassed Mr Jay, would soon be terminated.

Mr Jay expressed his anxiety to be enabled to communicate to Congress

some decided intelligence, respecting the aids they might expect from

this Court; to which the Count replied, that the sum requested was

great, the expenses of the kingdom very extensive, and the means of

obtaining the sums necessary to defray them subject to many

difficulties; that he would, as he had before mentioned, communicate

Mr Morris's letter to the King, and, until that was done, he could not

be in capacity to say anything further on the subject; that as the

appointment of a person to confer with Mr Jay would rest with his

Majesty, he could not say who in particular it would be, but he hoped,

and was persuaded that it would be some person well-intentioned

towards America; that he was the more confirmed in this expectation,

from the friendly disposition, which the King had early and constantly

manifested towards that country; that he would again repeat what he

had before told Mr Jay, viz. that the King, when acting in capacity of

mediator for a peace, had refused to permit that country to be

sacrificed; that since the rupture with Britain, tempting and

advantageous offers had been made to him to withdraw his protection

from America, and conclude a separate peace; that he had rejected

these offers, and still continued determined to support the States;

that this conduct ought to be viewed as extremely generous, as no

political connexions or engagements did then, or do as yet subsist

between the two countries. Mr Jay assured his Excellency that the

magnanimity of this conduct had made a deep impression on the people

of America; that nothing but want of opportunity would ever prevent

their expressing it more strongly than by words, and that the sense

they entertained of it, had greatly influenced the late measure they

had taken to comply with his Majesty's desires. The Count then pressed

Mr Jay again to send him the paper above mentioned before Sunday,

adding that he sincerely wished nothing might be wanted to put the

business in a proper train; that for his part, he had the best

disposition towards America, as well as personal regard for Mr Jay,

and, after adding some complimentary expressions relative to the

character of the latter, he concluded.

I was a little surprised that the Count should expect to receive from

me, in the course of three days, formal propositions on the several

points stated in this conference. But it would not have been proper

for me to desire further time.

On the 22d of September, I sent him the following letter and

propositions.

"St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781.

"Sir,

"I have the honor of transmitting, herewith enclosed, the

propositions requested by your Excellency on Wednesday

evening last.

"I have endeavored to render them as short and simple as

possible, and I flatter myself that the unreserved frankness

with which they are written will be no less agreeable to your

Excellency, than I am sure it is consistent with the desire

and disposition of my constituents.

"As the issue of this measure will in a great degree

ascertain the expectations which Congress entertain from

their negotiations here, and as they flatter themselves with

receiving information on this subject by the return of Major

Franks, they will doubtless excuse my detaining him another

week, unless your Excellency should sooner be enabled to

communicate to me his Majesty's pleasure relative to the

proposed treaty.

"Permit me to entreat your Excellency, therefore, to enable

me to transmit by him such intelligence to Congress, as may

relieve them from their present distressing doubts and

uncertainties.

"I sincerely hope it may be such as may make them happy in a

prospect of soon seeing an intimate and lasting union

established between France, Spain, and the United States, a

union which, by being raised on the solid foundation of

mutual interest and reciprocal advantages, may secure to each

the blessings of uninterrupted tranquillity. This generous

policy pervades the treaties already formed between his Most

Christian Majesty and the United States, and I am happy in

being persuaded, that the magnanimity of his Catholic

Majesty's conduct towards my country, on this and other

occasions, will furnish materials for some bright pages in

the American annals.

"I have the honor to be, Sir, &c.

JOHN JAY."

Here follow the propositions alluded to, and sent enclosed in the

preceding letter.

"St Ildefonso, September 22d, 1781.

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