As to our West India questions, the Duke assures me, that the French

Ministry, particularly the Count de Vergennes, are determined to do

everything they can consistent with their own essential interests, to

favor and promote the friendship and commerce between their country

and ours. That they, especially the Count, are declared enemies of the

French fiscal system, which is certainly the most ruinous to their

commerce, and intend to do everything they can to make alterations to

favor commerce; but no change can be made in this, without affecting

their revenues, and making voids, failures, and deficiencies, which

they cannot fill up. They must, therefore, proceed softly. That France

would favor the commerce between Portugal and America, because it

would tend to draw off that kingdom from her dependence on England.

That England, by her commercial treaty with the Portuguese, in 1703,

has turned them into an English Colony, made them entirely dependent,

and secured a commerce with them of three millions value. France would

be glad to see this, or as much of it as possible, turned to America.

The Duke agrees fully with me in the maxim, that those Colonies will

grow the most in wealth, improvement, population, and every sort of

prosperity, which are allowed the freest communication with us, and

that we shall be allowed to carry lumber, fish, and live stock, to

their islands, but that the export of their sugars to us, he thinks,

must be in their own ships, because they are afraid of our becoming

the carriers of all their commerce, because they know and say, that we

can do it cheaper than they can. These sentiments are different from

those, which he mentioned to me a few days ago, when he said, the West

India trade with us must be carried on in French bottoms.

The Duke said, the English had been trying to deceive us, but were now

developing their true sentiments. They pretended, for awhile, to

abolish the navigation act and all distinctions, to make one people

with us again, to be friends, brothers, &c. in hopes of drawing us off

from France, but not finding success, they were now showing their true

plan. As to the pretended system of Shelburne, of a universal free

commerce, although he thought it would be for the good of mankind in

general, yet, for an English Minister, it was the plan of a madman,

for it would be the ruin of that nation. He did not think Shelburne

was sincere in it; he only meant an illusion to us. Here I differ from

the Duke, and believe, that the late Ministry were very sincere

towards us, and would have made a treaty with us, at least to revive

the universal trade between us, upon a liberal plan. This doctrine of

ruin, from that plan, to the English, has been so much preached of

late in England by the French and the American refugees, who aim at

establishments in Canada and Nova Scotia, and by the old Butean

administration and their partisans, that I do not know whether any

Ministry could now support a generous plan. But if Temple, Thurlow,

Shelburne, Pitt, &c. should come in, I should not despair of it. It is

true, the Shelburne administration did encourage the ideas of cordial,

perfect friendship, of entire reconciliation of affections, of making

no distinction between their people and ours, especially between the

inhabitants of Canada and Nova Scotia and us, and this, with the

professed purpose of destroying all seeds of war between us. These

sentiments were freely uttered by Fitzherbert, Oswald, Whiteford,

Vaughan, and all who had the confidence of that Ministry; and in these

sentiments they were, I believe, very sincere. And they are, indeed,

the only means of preventing a future war between us and them, and so

sure as they depart from that plan, so sure, in less than fifteen

years, perhaps less than seven, there will break out another war.

Quarrels will arise among fishermen, between inhabitants of Canada and

Nova Scotia and us, and between their people and ours in the West

Indies, in our ports, and in the ports of the three kingdoms, which

will breed a war in spite of all we can do to prevent it. France sees

this and rejoices in it, and I know not whether we ought to be sorry;

yet I think we ought to make it a maxim to avoid all wars, if

possible; and to take care that it is not our fault if we cannot. We

ought to do everything, which the English will concur in, to remove

all causes of jealousies, and kill all the seeds of hostility as

effectually as we can; and to be upon our guard to prevent the French,

Spaniards, and Dutch, from sowing the seeds of war between us, for we

may rely upon it they will do it if they can.

I have the honor to be, &c.

JOHN ADAMS.

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TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

Paris, July 18th, 1783.

Sir,

There is cause to be solicitous about the state of things in England.

The present Ministry swerve more and more from the true system, for

the prosperity of their country and ours. Mr Hartley, whose sentiments

are at bottom just, is probably kept here, if he was not sent at

first, merely to amuse us, and to keep him out of the way of

embarrassing the coalition. We need not fear, that France and England

will make a common cause against us, even in relation to the

carrying-trade to and from the West Indies. Although they may mutually

inspire into each other false notions of their interests at times, yet

there can never be a concert of operations between them. Mutual enmity

is bred in the blood and bones of both, and rivals and enemies at

heart they eternally will be.

In order to induce both to allow us our natural right to the

carrying-trade, we must negotiate with the Dutch, Danes, Portuguese,

and even with the Empires; for the more friends and resources we have,

the more we shall be respected by the French and English; and the more

freedom of trade we enjoy with the Dutch possessions in America, the

more will France and England find themselves necessitated to allow us.

The present Ministers in England have very bad advisers; the refugees,

and emissaries of various other sorts, and we have nobody to watch

and counteract, to correct or prevent anything.

The United States will soon see the necessity of uniting in measures

to counteract their enemies, and even their friends. What powers

Congress should have for governing the trade of the whole, for making

or recommending prohibitions, or imposts, deserves the serious

consideration of every man in America. If a constitutional legislative

authority cannot be given them, a sense of common danger and necessity

should give to their recommendations all the force upon the minds of

the people, which they had six years ago.

If the union of the States is not preserved, and even their unity, in

many great points, instead of being the happiest people under the sun,

I do not know but we may be the most miserable. We shall find our

foreign affairs the most difficult to manage of any of our interests;

we shall see and feel them disturbed by invisible agents, and causes,

by secret intrigues, by dark and mysterious insinuations, by concealed

corruptions of a thousand sorts. Hypocrisy and simulation will assume

a million of shapes; we shall feel the evil, without being able to

prove the cause. Those, whose penetration reaches the true source of

the evil, will be called suspicious, envious, disappointed, ambitious.

In short, if there is not an authority sufficiently decisive to draw

together the minds, affections, and forces of the States, in their

common foreign concerns, it appears to me we shall be the sport of

transatlantic politicians of all denominations, who hate liberty in

every shape, and every man who loves it, and every country that enjoys

it. If there is no common authority, nor any common sense to secure a

revenue for the discharge of our engagements abroad for money, what

is to become of our honor, our justice, our faith, our universal,

moral, political, and commercial character? If there is no common

power to fulfil engagements with our citizens, to pay our soldiers,

and other creditors, can we have any moral character at home? Our

country will become the region of everlasting discontents, reproaches,

and animosities, and instead of finding our independence a blessing,

we shall soon become Cappadocians enough to wish it done away.

I may be thought gloomy, but this ought not to discourage me from

laying before Congress my apprehensions. The dependence of those who

have designs upon us, upon our want of affection to each other, and of

authority over one another, is so great, that in my opinion, if the

United States do not soon show to the world a proof, that they can

command a common revenue to satisfy their creditors at home and

abroad, that they can act as one people, as one nation, as one man, in

their transactions with foreign nations, we shall be soon so far

despised, that it will be but a few years, perhaps but a few months

only, before we are involved in another war.

What can I say in Holland, if a doubt is started, whether we can repay

the money we wish to borrow? I must assure them in a tone, that will

exclude all doubt that the money will be repaid. Am I to be hereafter

reproached with deceiving the money-lenders? I cannot believe there is

a man in America, who would not disdain the supposition, and therefore

I shall not scruple to give the strongest assurances in my power. But

if there is a doubt in Congress, they ought to recall their borrowers

of money.

I shall set off tomorrow for Holland, in hopes of improving my health,

at the same time that I shall endeavor to assist the loan, and to

turn the speculations of the Dutch merchants, capitalists and

statesmen, towards America. It is of vast importance that the Dutch

should form just ideas of their interests respecting the communication

between us and their islands, and other colonies in America. I beg

that no time may be lost in commencing conferences with M. Van Berckel

upon this subject, as well as that of money; but this should not be

communicated to the French nor the English, because we may depend upon

it, both will endeavor to persuade the Dutch to adopt the same plan

with themselves. There are jealousies on both sides the Pass of

Calais, of our connexions and negotiations with the Dutch. But while

we avoid as much as we can to inflame this jealousy, we must have

sense and firmness and independence enough not to be intimidated by

it, from availing ourselves of advantages, that Providence has placed

in our power. There ever have been, and ever will be, suspicions of

every honest, active, and intelligent American, and there will be as

there have been insidious attempts to destroy or lessen your

confidence in every such character. But if our country does not

support her own interests, and her own servants, she will assuredly

fall. Persons, who study to preserve or obtain the confidence of

America, by the favor of European statesmen, or Courts, must betray

their own country to preserve their places.

For my own part, I wish Mr Jay and myself almost anywhere else but

here. There is scarce any other place where we might not do some good.

Here we are in a state of annihilation.

I have the honor to be, &c.

JOHN ADAMS.

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TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

The Hague, July 23d, 1783.

Sir,

On Saturday last I left Paris, and arrived here last night. This

morning I sent M. Dumas to M. Van Berckel and M. Gyselaer, to inform

them of my arrival, and to desire a conversation with them, upon the

subject of the commerce between the United States and the Dutch

establishments in the West Indies.

M. Van Berckel told M. Dumas, "that St Eustatia and Curacoa were open

to the vessels of all nations, and to the commerce of all the world;

but that it was not the interest of the West India Company alone, but

that of the whole State, that obliged them to confine the commerce of

their sugars to themselves, because of the great number of their

refineries of sugar. That all their own sugars were not half enough to

employ their sugar-houses, and that at least one half of the sugars

refined in Holland were the production of the French West India

Islands."

I suppose that some of these sugars may have been carried first to St

Eustatia, and brought from thence to Holland, and some others may have

been purchased in the ports of France, and imported raw from thence. I

do not know that Dutch vessels were permitted to purchase sugars in

the French Islands, and export them from thence. This matter deserves

to be examined to the bottom. If France has not sugar-houses for the

refinement of her own sugars, but is obliged to carry them, or to

permit their being carried, to Amsterdam and Rotterdam for

manufacture, why should she not be willing, that the same sugars

should be carried by Americans to Boston, New York, and Philadelphia?

Surely France has no predilection for Holland rather than America. But

what is of more weight, all the sugars, which America takes, will be

paid for in articles more advantageous to the Islands, and to France,

than the pay that is made by the Dutch. If any sugars refined in

Holland are afterwards sold in France, surely it would be more for the

interest of France, or rather less against her interests, to have the

same sugars refined in America, and afterwards sold in France, because

the price of them would be laid out by us in France. There is this

difference between us and the Dutch, and all other nations, we spend

in Europe all the profits we make and more, the others do not. But if

the French sugars, refined in Holland, are afterwards sold in other

parts of Europe, it would be just as well that we should sell them. We

have sugar-houses as well as the Dutch, and ours ought not to be more

obnoxious to French policy or commerce than theirs.

Sugars are a great article. There is a great consumption in America.

It is not the interest of any nation, that has sugars to sell, to

lessen the consumption there. All such nations should favor that

consumption, in order to multiply purchasers, and quicken the

competition, by which the price is raised. None of these nations then

will wish to prevent our having sugar, provided we offer as high, or a

higher price. How they will be able to arrange their plans, so that we

may have enough for our own consumption, without having more, without

having some for exportation, I do not know.

We have now St Eustatia and Curacoa, St Lucia and Martinique, St

Thomas and St Martin's, no less than six free ports in the West

Indies; and perhaps England may be induced, necessitated indeed, to

add two more to the number, and make eight. At these free ports, it

will be hard if we cannot find sugars, when we carry thither all our

own productions, in our own ships. And if the worst should happen, and

all the nations, who have sugar Islands, should forbid sugars to be

carried to America in any other than their own bottoms, we might

depend upon having enough of this article at the free ports, to be

brought away in our own ships, if we should lay a prohibition or a

duty upon it in foreign ships. To do either, the States must be

united, which the English think cannot be. Perhaps the French think so

too, and in time, they may persuade the Dutch to be of the same

opinion. It is to be hoped we shall disappoint them all. In a point so

just and reasonable, when we are contending only for an equal chance

for the carriage of our own productions, and the articles of our own

consumption, when we are willing to allow to all other nations even a

free competition with us in this carriage, if we cannot unite, it will

discover an imperfection and weakness in our constitution, which will

deserve a serious consideration.

M. Visscher, Pensionary of Amsterdam, who came in to visit me, when I

had written thus far, showed me a list of the Directors of the West

India Company, and refers me to M. Bicker, of Amsterdam, as one of the

most intelligent of them. He says, that the Colonists of Surinam,

Berbice, Essequibo, and Demarara, have been in decay, and obliged to

borrow money of the merchants at home, and have entered into contracts

with those merchants, to send them annually all the productions of

their plantations to pay the interest and principal of their debts;

that this will make it difficult to open the trade.

Soon after M. Visscher went out, M. Van Berckel came in. I entered

into a like conversation with him, and told him that I thought the

decay of their plantations in the West Indies had been owing to the

rivalry of other nations, especially the English, whose Islands had

greater advantages from a freer communication with North America; and

I thought it might be laid down as a rule, that those Islands would

flourish most in population, culture, commerce, and wealth, which had

the freest intercourse with us, and that this intercourse would be a

natural means of attracting the American commerce to the metropolis.

He thought so too.

I then mentioned to him the loan; and asked him, if he thought that

the States-General, the States of Holland, or the Regency of

Amsterdam, would be likely, in any way, to aid us? He said, no; that

the country was still so much divided, that he could not depend upon

any assistance in that way. That the Council of Amsterdam was well

enough disposed; but that the Burgomasters were not so. That M.

Temmink, M. Huggens, and M. Rendorp, were not to be depended on in

such an affair. That, therefore, our only resource was, to endeavor to

gain upon the public opinion and the spirit of the nation, and that,

in this respect, he would do me all the service in his power. He

thought that the present uncertainty about the definitive treaty, and

the fate of the Republic, would be an obstacle; but the definitive

treaty once signed, he thought our loan would succeed very well. I

asked him, whether he thought that the junction of three houses in my

loan was any obstruction to it? and whether any one of them, or

whether any other house, would do better? I told him what his brother,

(now I hope in Philadelphia,) had said to M. Dumas, viz. that the

house of Wilkem and Van Willink alone would succeed sooner than the

three. I asked him, whether he thought the house of Hope, either

alone, or in conjunction with that of the Willinks, or any other,

would undertake it? He said, this might well be, and that if they saw

their interest in it they would, for those mercantile houses had no

other object in view. He promised me to make inquiry into this matter,

and let me know the result.

Upon this occasion, I must inform Congress, that it is absolutely

necessary they should send another Minister to this Republic, without

loss of time; because our three present houses, before they would

undertake the loan, extorted a promise from me, not to open another

with any other house until the five millions should be full. This

engagement I took for myself alone, however, and expressly premised

that Congress should not be bound by it; that Congress should be

perfectly free, and that any other Minister they might send here

should be perfectly free to open another loan, when and with whom they

pleased. A new Minister, therefore, may open a loan when he will, with

Hope, Willink, or whom he will, and I am persuaded it would succeed to

a good amount.

I made visits to day, the 25th of July, to the Grand Pensionary, the

Secretary Fagel, the President of the week, and M. Gyselaer; and

returned visits to M. Van Berckel and M. Visscher. M. Gyselaer says,

that at present there is no ready money (_argent comptant_) in the

Republic, but in two months there will be, and the loan will go very

well.

At noon I went to the house in the Grove, to make my court to the

Prince and Princess of Orange.

The Prince either happened to be in a social humor, or has had some

political speculations lately, for he thought fit to be uncommonly

gracious and agreeable. He made me sit, and sat down by me, and

entered into familiar conversation about the negotiations of peace. He

asked many questions about it, and the probability of a speedy

conclusion of the definitive treaty. At length, he asked me, if Dr

Franklin was left alone? I answered, that Mr Jay was with him. He

asked, if I returned before the signature? I answered, that such was

my intention. He asked, whether Dr Franklin was an Ambassador? I

answered, that he was a Minister Plenipotentiary only. He asked, if

none of us were Ambassadors? I answered, that we all had the same rank

of Ministers Plenipotentiary, and that Congress had never yet made an

Ambassador. He said, he was astonished at that; that he had a long

time expected to hear, that we had displayed the character of

Ambassadors. I asked his Highness, what reason he had for this, and

what advantage there was in it? "Why," said he, "I expected that your

Republic would early assert her right to appoint Ambassadors.

Republics have been generally fond of appointing Ambassadors, in order

to be on a footing with crowned heads. Our Republic began very early.

We had eight Ambassadors at the peace of Munster; one for each

Province, and one supernumerary. And we always choose to appoint

Ambassadors, for the sake of being upon an equality with crowned

heads. There are only crowned heads, Republics, and the Electors of

the Empire, who have a right to send Ambassadors; all others can only

send Envoys, and Ministers Plenipotentiary. Princes cannot send

Ambassadors. I cannot, as Stadtholder, nor as Prince, nor in any other

quality, send a Minister of any higher order, than an Envoy, or

Minister Plenipotentiary." He asked me, what was the reason the

Congress had not made use of their right? I answered his Highness,

that really I did not know. It was a subject I had never much

reflected on; perhaps Congress had not. Or they might think it a

matter of ceremony and of show, rather than substance; or might think

the expense greater than the advantage. He said, it was very true, the

dignity of the rank must be supported, but he thought the advantage

worth more than the expense.

I am utterly at a loss for his Highness' motives for entering so

minutely into this subject. Whether M. Van Berckel, before his

departure, had mentioned it; whether he thought he should please me by

it; whether he thought to please Congress by it; whether he affected

to interest himself in the honor of the United States; or whether any

of the politicians of this, or any other country, have put him upon

it, or whether it is mere accident, I know not. They are the words of

a Prince, and I have reported them very exactly.

I have the honor to be, &c.

JOHN ADAMS.

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TO ROBERT R. LIVINGSTON.

The Hague, July 25th, 1783.

Sir,

It is the general opinion here both among the members of the States,

and at the _Hotel de France_, that the delays of the definitive

pacification are contrived by the Court of London, in order to set all

their instruments at work in this Republic, to induce it to renew its

ancient connexions with Great Britain, particularly their alliance,

offensive and defensive, by which each power was bound to furnish the

other, if attacked, a certain number of ships and troops. Against this

the patriotic party is decided, and they are now very well satisfied

with the Grand Pensionary, Bleiswick, because he openly and roundly

takes their side, and the Court is said to be discontented with him

for the same reason. There is, no doubt, an intelligence and

correspondence between the two Courts of London and the Hague, to

bring about this point. The Grand Pensionary told me yesterday, that

the Court of London desired it, and there were persons here who

desired it, and he knew very well who they were; but that most

certainly they would not carry their point. Van Berckel, Visscher, and

Gyselaer, all assured me of the same, and added, that the fear of this

had determined them not to send a Minister to London, but to go

through with the negotiation at Paris, although they were all highly

dissatisfied with the conduct of France, and particularly with that of

the Count de Vergennes.

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