that he had corrected Wade on, I think Henry Wade made a mistake about
those two Cuban organizations and Ruby straightened him out. One
was called “Freedom for Fair Play for Cuba”, and I forget the other
one--what the name of it was.
Mr. HUBERT. He mentioned to you that Wade had made a mistake concerning
those two organizations and that he had cleared it up?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he say when and where he had cleared it up?
Mr. WATHERWAX. At the interview.
Mr. HUBERT. At what interview?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Evidently he spoke up and told him that he was wrong.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he mention anything about the Weissman ad that had
appeared in the Dallas Morning News?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Could you tell us about that, sir?
Mr. WATHERWAX. The best I recall, I think he said that it had been
traced back to General Walker, and that it had been placed in there to
make the Jews look bad.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, his comment about the Weissman ad was that
he knew or thought that it had been traced back to General Walker?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And that the purpose was to make the Jews look bad?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he elaborate on his expression of how the Jews would be
involved or made to look involved in the matter?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; except that he thought that that name Weissman was
evidently Jewish, and that he thought it was a plan that would make the
Jews look bad, that it would really reflect on the Jews.
Mr. HUBERT. From your general knowledge of him, was he sensitive to the
fact that he was a Jew?
Mr. WATHERWAX. I had never noticed it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem to be on this particular occasion?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Just in reference to that ad--I was sort of surprised
when he mentioned it, because I didn’t know that he felt like that.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem angry or mad or outraged about this ad?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Just that he was concerned that the ad might associate the
Jews with the ad?
Mr. WATHERWAX. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. And that--he didn’t like?
Mr. WATHERWAX. That’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he say whether he didn’t like it because it would hurt
his business, or did he say what was the reason why he didn’t like it?
Mr. WATHERWAX. He didn’t say.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ever mention the John Birch Society?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Not that I know of.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what the John Birch Society is?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. But he didn’t say anything about that that night?
Mr. WATHERWAX. He never discussed politics as far as I know--I didn’t
even know he was interested.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he make any comment about Oswald himself?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; he said he had seen Oswald up there at the
interview and he said he looked like a little weasel--he had a smirk on
his face.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he say anything that indicated that he intended to take
any action with respect to him?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he make any comment about a fear that the assassination
of President Kennedy might somehow be blamed on the Jews in America or
elsewhere?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. The only reference he made to the Jews then, was in
connection with the Weissman ad.
Mr. WATHERWAX (no response).
Mr. HUBERT. Did he indicate in any way that he thought that Oswald
might be involved with some other group?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; I don’t think he did. I think he was worried about
his business.
Mr. HUBERT. What makes you think that?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Well, primarily he was a businessman and he catered to
tourists. That was his main source of income and I think everybody was
sort of worried about business in Dallas after the assassination.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that your analysis of it or did he say anything that
night to indicate that he was concerned about his business?
Mr. WATHERWAX. We discussed it--that. You see; I drive a cab part time.
That’s one reason why he’s sort of cultivated my friendship because he
was always after me to bring him customers, and we discussed how it
would hurt Dallas for conventions more than anything else, because that
was his main source of income and also for cabdrivers.
Mr. HUBERT. You drove a cab every day?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Oh, no; maybe for a weekend or maybe 2 or 3 days a month.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you drive a cab on the same day you would go to work?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; it was always on my off days.
Mr. HUBERT. And it was at night?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; night.
Mr. HUBERT. And did you sometimes bring people to his club?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; but never by my own volition.
Mr. HUBERT. They asked you to do so?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you didn’t solicit for the club?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Oh, no; no.
Mr. HUBERT. When you did bring somebody there, did he compensate you in
any way?
Mr. WATHERWAX. He offered to; if I would come upstairs, he would give
me a half a dollar a person, but it wasn’t worthwhile.
Mr. HUBERT. You never did collect any half dollars on that, did you?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. So that I gather from what you said that both of you
discussed the possibilities that your cab business, such as it was,
might be hurt if the tourists stayed away from Dallas and that his club
business would be hurt?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And he very definitely discussed that aspect of it with you?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did that seem to be of concern to him?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; he was worried about it. Like I said, primarily he
was a businessman. I have often thought that--they said that he mingled
with police, he was a glad-hander but he was his own public-relations
man and that was all part of the business with him.
Mr. HUBERT. Have you ever been to his club on a social basis?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; I took my wife up there once.
Mr. HUBERT. Other than that?
Mr. WATHERWAX. That was the only time--once.
Mr. HUBERT. You say you’ve known him about 7 or 8 years?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; just several years, I would say--maybe longer than
that--4 or 5 years.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know him prior to the time he organized and opened
the Sovereign Club?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; I didn’t.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you know him when he owned the Vegas Club alone?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. It was only when he opened the Carousel?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. These ads that he ran were for both clubs or just one?
Mr. WATHERWAX. He ran two separate ads. Usually the Carousel was the
main ad. The Vegas Club was just a little one--a continuous ad. I think
his main interest was the Carousel.
Mr. HUBERT. When you say you went to his club, you mean the Carousel?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; the Carousel.
Mr. HUBERT. You’ve never been to the Vegas?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. When he left at approximately 4:30 or shortly thereafter,
did he make any kind of parting comment of significance?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; he didn’t. After he talked to me he was
demonstrating a twistboard that he had brought up there.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was he demonstrating it to?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Well, to our proofreader who is a woman. He got her to
try it. I think it was a reducing thing or an exercise thing.
Mr. HUBERT. It’s sort of a thing that you put on the floor and stand on
and twist around on?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Was it a rather humorous performance?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; everybody was laughing. You would twist, you would
almost have to.
Mr. HUBERT. You said it was one of the female proofreaders who got on
it, and was he laughing and joking about it as well?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. And then he went off, and have you seen him since?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any communication with him during the rest of
the 23d or the 24th?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. I think you mentioned that Roy Pryor was there that night
too?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Roy Pryor; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did Ruby ever mention to you in the course of the years
that you knew him--any friends that he had in the underworld--mobster
group?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Was he sort of a name dropper?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he mention people that he thought were important that
he had met?
Mr. WATHERWAX. I never noticed it.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he ever say anything to you to indicate what his
relationship with the police was?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you know from your own knowledge what his relationship
with the police was?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; I don’t--no. The only time that I ever had anything
like that, was sitting in my cab in front of the University Club,
waiting for a passenger that was upstairs and a couple of conventioners
came along and offered me a drink and asked me where all the action was
and everything, and it was already closing hours. It was after closing
hours and to get rid of them I sent them down to the Carousel. I knew
that he was open until 3 o’clock in the morning or 2 o’clock, and I
didn’t know, but they were vice squad men, so Ruby got a big laugh out
of it--here he says--“I ask you for customers here and you’re sending
me down vice squad men.”
Mr. HUBERT. In other words, these people who appeared to be
conventioners and drunks were in fact vice squad men and masquerading
as such?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t drive them there but you just told them about it?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Later you say Ruby laughed and joked with you about it?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. He wasn’t angry about it?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. He apparently got into no trouble as a result of it?
Mr. WATHERWAX. I think they sort of considered him as a joke, I guess,
more than anything else. I think everybody sort of--they didn’t pay him
much attention.
Mr. HUBERT. Why?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Well, evidently he didn’t seem to have very much
intelligence. He was just a pusher.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that your impression of him?
Mr. WATHERWAX. I wouldn’t say--he wasn’t educated.
Mr. HUBERT. Would you say that the relationship between you and Ruby
was friendly?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Oh, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you consider him to be an intelligent person?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Who--Ruby?
Mr. HUBERT. Yes?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; I don’t think so. Of course, I only knew him
casually.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you observe anything about him which would throw light
on his character in the sense of whether he had a hot temper or not?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Well, I have taken some of his strippers home in the
cab, and the few that I had, said that he had a reputation of that.
Mr. HUBERT. He did not?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; they said he would hire and fire and hire and fire,
you know, so evidently he had a pretty quick temper.
Mr. HUBERT. And that you gathered from the strippers that you had
occasion to have as fares?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. From the Carousel to their home?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. They expressed that view to you or talking among themselves?
Mr. WATHERWAX. To me--I only had them as singles. I didn’t ride the
group.
Mr. HUBERT. Did they indicate that he made any sexual advances toward
them?
Mr. WATHERWAX. One of them told me that that was one of the reasons
there was such a big turnover, that that was part of the job--that when
they were hired, that was part of the job--almost understood to be part
of the job.
Mr. HUBERT. You mean that they would have to have sexual intercourse
with him?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; that’s what she said.
Mr. HUBERT. One woman told you that?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes; she said that if you didn’t, he would fire you.
Mr. HUBERT. You don’t know who that was, do you?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No; I don’t.
Mr. HUBERT. How long ago was that?
Mr. WATHERWAX. It’s been about a year and a half. I know I was sorta
surprised because he never appeared to be that type to me.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he appear to be a normal type man sexually to you or
did you ever notice any traits which you considered homosexual?
Mr. WATHERWAX. He just never talked about it.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t consider that he was homosexual?
Mr. WATHERWAX. No.
Mr. HUBERT. I think that’s all, sir. Now, Mr. Watherwax, have you
anything further you wish to add that might throw any light on this?
Mr. WATHERWAX. That’s about all I can say.
Mr. HUBERT. I don’t think there has been any conversation between us
except that which has been recorded here, because if there is, we are
supposed to develop it, but as a matter of fact, except for introducing
myself as you walked into the room, all of our conversation has been
recorded?
Mr. WATHERWAX. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Thank you, sir, very much, and I appreciate your coming
down.
Mr. WATHERWAX. You’re welcome.
TESTIMONY OF BILLY A. REA
The testimony of Billy A. Rea was taken at 12:20 p.m., on June 26,
1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building,
Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Leon D. Hubert, Jr.,
assistant counsel of the President’s Commission.
Mr. HUBERT. This is the deposition of Billy A. Rea.
Mr. Rea, my name is Leon Hubert. I am a member of the advisory staff of
the general counsel on the President’s Commission on the Assassination
of President Kennedy. Under the provisions of Executive Order 11130
dated November 29, 1963, and the joint resolution of Congress No. 137,
and the rules of procedure adopted by the President’s Commission in
conformance with that Executive order and that joint resolution, I have
been authorized to take a sworn deposition from you. I state to you
that the general nature of the Commission’s inquiry is to ascertain,
evaluate, and report upon the facts relative to the assassination
of President Kennedy and the subsequent violent death of Lee Harvey
Oswald. In particular, as to you, Mr. Rea, the nature of the inquiry
today is to determine what facts you know about the death of Oswald and
any other pertinent facts you may know about the general inquiry and
about Jack Ruby and his operations and associates, and his movements
and whereabouts on November 22, particularly.
Mr. REA. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You have appeared here today, Mr. Rea, by virtue of a
letter written to you by Mr. J. Lee Rankin, general counsel of the
staff of the President’s Commission, asking you to be present, is that
correct?
Mr. REA. That’s right, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What is the date of that letter, sir, do you have it?
Mr. REA. I believe it was Monday, June 22.
Mr. HUBERT. When did you receive it?
Mr. REA. I received it yesterday. That came to my house Wednesday,
however, no one was home.
Mr. HUBERT. Let me say this to you--under the rules adopted by the
Commission, all witnesses are entitled to a 3-day written notice prior
to the taking of their deposition, but the rules also provide that a
witness may waive that notice if he sees fit to do so, and I ask you if
you are willing to testify now and waive the notice?
Mr. REA. Yes, I am.
Mr. HUBERT. Then, will you rise and let me administer the oath, please.
Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give in this
matter will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,
so, help you God?
Mr. REA. I do.
Mr. HUBERT. Will you state your full name, please, sir?
Mr. REA. Billy A. Rea--Billy Andrew Rea.
Mr. HUBERT. Where do you live, sir?
Mr. REA. In Lancaster, Tex., 157 Arbor Lane.
Mr. HUBERT. How far is that from Dallas?
Mr. REA. Well, the city limits are adjacent--I live about 14 miles from
downtown Dallas.
Mr. HUBERT. What is your occupation?
Mr. REA. I work for the Dallas Morning News on the retail advertising
staff.
Mr. HUBERT. How old are you, sir?
Mr. REA. Forty.
Mr. HUBERT. Are you married?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Children?
Mr. REA. Three.
Mr. HUBERT. How long have you been employed by the Dallas Morning News?
Mr. REA. Nine years.
Mr. HUBERT. What was your occupation prior to that time?
Mr. REA. I edited and published a suburban paper in Wynnewood.
Mr. HUBERT. You’ve been in the newspaper business, I take it, all of
your life?
Mr. REA. Yes; practically since I got out of college in 1949.
Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go to college?
Mr. REA. At Texas Christian University.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you graduate?
Mr. REA. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. What degree do you have?
Mr. REA. Bachelor of arts in journalism.
Mr. HUBERT. And that was in 1949?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you serve in the war?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Honorably discharged?
Mr. REA. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Mr. Rea, I have previously handed you a document consisting
of one page which I have marked for identification on the right-hand
margin as follows: “Dallas, Tex., June 26, 1964, Exhibit No. 1,
Deposition of Billy A. Rea,” and have signed my name, Leon D. Hubert,
Jr., and this document purports to be the report of an interview of you
by FBI Agents Peden and Garris on December 4, 1963. As I say, I have
previously handed it to you so that you could read it and now I ask you
if this half-page report is a correct report on the interview had of
you by those FBI agents. Is there anything wrong or incorrect?
Mr. REA. Well, other than the fact that they misspelled my name, like I
told you a minute ago.
Mr. HUBERT. Your name in that report is spelled “Ray,” whereas, in fact
your name is spelled “Rea.”
Mr. REA. That’s correct.
Mr. HUBERT. And your first name, instead of ending in “ie,” ends in “y”
[spelling] B-i-l-l-y?
Mr. REA. That is correct.
Mr. HUBERT. Other than that, is Exhibit No. 1 correct?
Mr. REA. Not exactly. It says here that I recall seeing Jack Ruby
sitting in Don Campbell’s chair “which chair is directly in front of
the desk of Miss Georgia Mayor.” That is not correct. He was sitting
in Don Campbell’s chair all right, but that chair is directly in front
of the desk occupied by John Newnam. I don’t know how this got in
here. I don’t recall anything other than that, except that it’s just a
technicality, I presume--that is.
Now, also, he was there and I do recall him sitting in the seat
directly in front of Georgia Mayor, however, that seat is occupied
and assigned to Dick Saunders, who was here previously. He sits right
directly in front of Georgia.
Mr. HUBERT. What time did you first see Jack Ruby on that day?
Mr. REA. Well, you see, I had attended a funeral of a very close friend
of mine that day and had gotten into the office late. I had a lot of
things to do that I had postponed and I was in quite a bit of a hurry,
and consequently that kept me from going to or attending the parade. I
had planned to and wanted to. I got into the office just before noon,
so I had to go eat to get with my business--I was running far behind,
so we went to eat--I went to eat with a friend of mine and we got back
into the office about between 12:30 and 12:40, I would say.
I don’t recall seeing Jack Ruby at that time. He could have been there
but I don’t remember seeing him, whether he was in the office at that
time or not. About that time--we hadn’t been in the office over a
couple of minutes until these boys, the men I work with, some of them
were actually at the scene of the assassination--they ran up there and
told us that President Kennedy had been shot.
Mr. HUBERT. Who in particular do you remember telling you that?
Mr. REA. Jim Willmon told me--he’s the one that told me.
Mr. HUBERT. Had he been to the parade?
Mr. REA. Yes; he saw it or heard the shots.
Mr. HUBERT. Was that the first news you got about the President?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember what time that was?
Mr. REA. Well, I would say it was a quarter of one, I guess. Then, we
went up--then, goodness--first of all--I thought--he’s the type boy
that will kid a little bit, you know, he’s sort of an outspoken type
individual, you know, and I thought--well, he was kidding, and I guess
everybody else did too with the original idea or feeling or reaction to
it, but then when I realized that he was serious, then we went upstairs
up to the editorial room, thinking that perhaps we could get later
information as it comes in, and so we went up there and stayed about 15
minutes or so.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you seen Jack Ruby then?
Mr. REA. I don’t recall seeing him all that time. I don’t know whether
he was there or not.
Mr. HUBERT. What time do you think you got back from the room?
Mr. REA. It must have been around 1 o’clock or shortly after 1 o’clock.
Mr. HUBERT. Had you then heard anything about the shooting of Officer
Tippit or of an officer?
Mr. REA. Oh, no, no.
Mr. HUBERT. When you came down----
Mr. REA. Well, I say--no--the original report was that three FBI men or
a couple of Secret Service men had been shot also.
Mr. HUBERT. You figure that when you came down from the pressroom it
was about 1 o’clock?
Mr. REA. Yes, within 5 or 10 minutes either way.
Mr. HUBERT. Then, you came down to the second floor?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that the first time you saw Ruby?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Where was he then?
Mr. REA. He was at Don Campbell’s desk--that’s where he was. He was
sitting there in Don Campbell’s chair which was directly in front of
John Newnam’s desk, not Georgia Mayor’s.
Mr. HUBERT. What was he doing?
Mr. REA. Sitting there--just sitting there.
Mr. HUBERT. Did he speak to you?
Mr. REA. No.
Mr. HUBERT. Or you to him?
Mr. REA. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You had known the man, hadn’t you?
Mr. REA. Oh, yes, I knew him--not personally.
Mr. HUBERT. Was Newnam there with him?
Mr. REA. No.
Mr. HUBERT. He was alone?
Mr. REA. He was alone.
Mr. HUBERT. Was Saunders there?
Mr. REA. I don’t recall whether Saunders was there or not. I don’t
remember. He could have been--I don’t remember. I can’t specifically
identify him as being there. He could have been, but you know,
confusion reigned, but I do definitely remember him sitting in that
chair.
Mr. HUBERT. I’m going to show you a chart which has been marked as
Exhibit No. 4 of the deposition of John Newnam. It is a chart drawn by
Mr. Newnam and I ask you to see if you can recognize it. Here is Young
Street and here is Houston Street, and it purports to be the second
floor?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. This is the promotion department over on the right-hand
side?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Over in this corner is Mr. Jeffery’s office?
Mr. REA. Correct.
Mr. HUBERT. This desk No. 1 is his desk and this little dot with a
circle is a TV set in his office?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, you will notice that the retail advertising department
is about the middle of the page and that each desk is numbered?
Mr. REA. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us where you first saw Ruby--at what desk?
Mr. REA. Right here (indicating on Exhibit No. 4).
Mr. HUBERT. You are making a little “X” mark there between desks 23 and
25, right?
Mr. REA. Yes, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. I’m going to mark it “Position of Ruby When First Seen By
Rea,” is that right?
Mr. REA. That’s correct.
Mr. HUBERT. And he was sitting or standing?
Mr. REA. He was sitting.
Mr. HUBERT. Which is Mr. Newnam’s desk?
Mr. REA. No. 23.
Mr. HUBERT. When you saw him Mr. Newnam was not there?
Mr. REA. That’s right. There was no one around the desk.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him ever between desks 5 and 3?
Mr. REA. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Whose desk is that?
Mr. REA. Let me see--This is the desks for the secretaries and 3 is
Georgia Mayor’s and 5 is Dick Saunders--yes--that would be correct.
Mr. HUBERT. You saw him there?
Mr. REA. Yes; later on in the afternoon.
Mr. HUBERT. Who was he talking to or was he alone?
Mr. REA. Yes; he was talking to--well, from time to time I saw him
talking to various people. I do recall him talking to Georgia Mayor,
our secretary.
Mr. HUBERT. Do you recall him talking to Saunders?
Mr. REA. I think--well, it seems like that later on--I know Dick was in
there--yes.
Mr. HUBERT. It would have been after 1 o’clock?
Mr. REA. Yes; oh, yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him around the TV set?
Mr. REA. Yes; I observed him in here [indicating].
Mr. HUBERT. What seemed to be his reaction at that time?
Mr. REA. Oh, he definitely had a look of despair. I don’t know what
you’d say--it was--he was emotionally “shookup” so to speak. There was
no question about that. Of course, like I’ve told these other men that
I’ve talked to, so was everybody else.
Mr. HUBERT. That’s the point I wanted to get at. Do you think that he
was more “shookup” than the other people around there?
Mr. REA. I’ll say--I’d say that he had a little bit different
look--yes--a different type of an expression; yes.
Mr. HUBERT. Is that a recollection that you formed at that time or
since?
Mr. REA. No, sir--yes--well--when I heard of the--well; yes, the
picture of him just sort of stood out. It really impressed me.
Mr. HUBERT. Now, mind you, this was before he had had anything to do
with this?
Mr. REA. Yes; that’s right.
Mr. HUBERT. You now recall that he had a look that was different from
other people’s?