Every Catholic is in favor of education enough to

328

change a barbarian into a Catholic; every Protestant

is in favor of education enough to change a Catholic

into a Protestant; but Protestants and Catholics alike

are opposed to education that will lead to any

real philosophy and science. I admit that Portugal

is what it is, on account of the preaching of the

gospel. I admit that Portugal can point with pride

to the triumphs of what she calls civilization within

her borders, and truthfully ascribe the glory to the

church. But in a litde while, when more railroads

are built, when telegraphs connect her people with

the civilized world, a spirit of doubt, of investigation,

will manifest itself in Portugal.

When the people stop counting beads, and go to

the study of mathematics; when they think more of

plows than of prayers for agricultural purposes; when

they find that one fact gives more light to the mind

than a thousand tapers, and that nothing can by any

possibility be more useless than a priest,--then Por-

tugal will begin to cease to be what is called a

Christian nation.

I admit that Austria, with her thirty-seven millions,

is a Christian nation--including her Croats, Hungar-

ians, Servians, and Gypsies. Austria was one of the

assassins of Poland. When we remember that John

329

Sobieski drove the Mohammedans from the gates of

Vienna, and rescued from the hand of the "infidel"

the beleagured city, the propriety of calling Austria a

Christian nation becomes still more apparent. If one

wishes to know exactly how "Christian" Austria is,

let him read the history of Hungary, let him read

the speeches of Kossuth. There is one good thing

about Austria: slowly but surely she is undermining

the church by education. Education is the enemy

of superstition. Universal education does away with

the classes born of the tyranny of ecclesiasticism--

classes founded upon cunning, greed, and brute

strength. Education also tends to do away with

intellectual cowardice. The educated man is his

own priest, his own pope, his own church.

When cunning collects tolls from fear, the church

prospers.

Germany is another Christian nation. Bismarck is

celebrated for his Christian virtues.

Only a little while ago, Bismarck, when a bill was

under consideration for ameliorating the condition

of the Jews, stated publicly that Germany was a

Christian nation, that her business was to extend

and protect the religion of Jesus Christ, and that

being a Christian nation, no laws should be passed

330

ameliorating the condition of the Jews. Certainly a

remark like this could not have been made in any

other than a Christian nation. There is no freedom

of the press, there is no freedom of speech, in Ger-

many. The Chancellor has gone so far as to declare

that the king is not responsible to the people. Ger-

many must be a Christian nation. The king gets his

right to govern, not from his subjects, but from God.

He relies upon the New Testament. He is satisfied

that "the powers that be in Germany are ordained

"of God." He is satisfied that treason against the

German throne is treason against Jehovah. There

are millions of Freethinkers in Germany. They are

not in the majority, otherwise there would be more

liberty in that country. Germany is not an infidel

nation, or speech would be free, and every man

would be allowed to express his honest thoughts.

Wherever I see Liberty in chains, wherever the

expression of opinion is a crime, I know that that

country is not infidel; I know that the people are not

ruled by reason. I also know that the greatest men

of Germany--her Freethinkers, her scientists, her

writers, her philosophers, are, for the most part, in-

fidel. Yet Germany is called a Christian nation, and

ought to be so called until her citizens are free.

331

France is also claimed as a Christian country. This

is not entirely true. France once was thoroughly

Catholic, completely Christian. At the time of the

massacre of Saint Bartholomew, the French were

Christians. Christian France made exiles of the

Huguenots. Christian France for years and years

was the property of the Jesuits. Christian France

was ignorant, cruel, orthodox and infamous. When

France was Christian, witnesses were cross-examined

with instruments of torture.

Now France is not entirely under Catholic control,

and yet she is by far the most prosperous nation in

Europe. I saw, only the other day, a letter from a

Protestant bishop, in which he states that there are

only about a million Protestants in France, and only

four or five millions of Catholics, and admits, in a

very melancholy way, that thirty-four or thirty-five

millions are Freethinkers. The bishop is probably

mistaken in his figures, but France is the best housed,

the best fed, the best clad country in Europe.

Only a little while ago, France was overrun, trampled

into the very earth, by the victorious hosts of Ger-

many, and France purchased her peace with the

savings of centuries. And yet France is now rich and

prosperous and free, and Germany poor, discontented

332

and enslaved. Hundreds and thousands of Germans,

unable to find liberty at home, are coming to the

United States.

I admit that England is a Christian country. Any

doubts upon this point can be dispelled by reading

her history--her career in India, what she has done

in China, her treatment of Ireland, of the American

Colonies, her attitude during our Civil war; all these

things show conclusively that England is a Christian

nation.

Religion has filled Great Britain with war. The

history of the Catholics, of the Episcopalians, of

Cromwell--all the burnings, the maimings, the brand-

ings, the imprisonments, the confiscations, the civil

wars, the bigotry, the crime--show conclusively that

Great Britain has enjoyed to the full the blessings of

"our most holy religion."

Of course, Mr. Talmage claims the United States

as a Christian country. The truth is, our country is

not as Christian as it once was. When heretics were

hanged in New England, when the laws of Virginia

and Maryland provided that the tongue of any man

who denied the doctrine of the Trinity should be

bored with hot iron,, and that for the second offence

he should suffer death, I admit that this country was

333

Christian. When we engaged in the slave trade,

when our flag protected piracy and murder in every

sea, there is not the slightest doubt that the United

States was a Christian country. When we believed

in slavery, and when we deliberately stole the labor

of four millions of people; when we sold women

and babes, and when the people of the North

enacted a law by virtue of which every Northern

man was bound to turn hound and pursue a human

being who was endeavoring to regain his liberty, I

admit that the United States was a Christian nation.

I admit that all these things were upheld by the Bible

--that the slave trader was justified by the Old Testa-

ment, that the bloodhound was a kind of missionary

in disguise, that the auction block was an altar, the

slave pen a kind of church, and that the whipping-

post was considered almost as sacred as the cross.

At that time, our country was a Christian nation.

I heard Frederick Douglass say that he lectured

against slavery for twenty years before the doors

of a single church were opened to him. In New

England, hundreds of ministers were driven from

their pulpits because they preached against the

crime of human slavery. At that time, this country

was a Christian nation.

334

Only a few years ago, any man speaking in favor

of the rights of man, endeavoring to break a chain

from a human limb, was in danger of being mobbed

by the Christians of this country. I admit that Dela-

ware is still a Christian State. I heard a story about

that State the other day.

About fifty years ago, an old Revolutionary soldier

applied for a pension. He was asked his age, and he

replied that he was fifty years old. He was told that

if that was his age, he could not have been in the

Revolutionary War, and consequently was not en-

titled to any pension. He insisted, however, that he

was only fifty years old. Again they told him that

there must be some mistake. He was so wrinkled,

so bowed, had so many marks of age, that he must

certainly be more than fifty years old. "Well," said

the old man, "if I must explain, I will: I lived forty

"years in Delaware; but I never counted that time,

"and I hope God won't."

The fact is, we have grown less and less Christian

every year from 1620 until now, and the fact is that

we have grown more and more civilized, more and

more charitable, nearer and nearer just.

Mr. Talmage speaks as though all the people in

what he calls the civilized world were Christians. Ad-

335

mitting this to be true, I find that in these countries

millions of men are educated, trained and drilled to

kill their fellow Christians. I find Europe covered

with forts to protect Christians from Christians, and

the seas filled with men-of-war for the purpose of

ravaging the coasts and destroying the cities of Chris-

tian nations. These countries are filled with prisons,

with workhouses, with jails and with toiling, ignorant

and suffering millions. I find that Christians have

invented most of the instruments of death, that

Christians are the greatest soldiers, fighters, de-

stroyers. I find that every Christian country is taxed

to its utmost to support these soldiers; that every

Christian nation is now groaning beneath the grievous

burden of monstrous debt, and that nearly all these

debts were contracted in waging war. These bonds,

these millions, these almost incalculable amounts,

were given to pay for shot and shell, for rifle and

torpedo, for men-of-war, for forts and arsenals, and

all the devilish enginery of death. I find that each

of these nations prays to God to assist it as against

all others; and when one nation has overrun, ravaged

and pillaged another, it immediately returns thanks

to the Almighty, and the ravaged and pillaged kneel

and thank God that it is no worse.

336

Mr. Talmage is welcome to all the evidence he can

find in the history of what he is pleased to call the

civilized nations of the world, tending to show the

inspiration of the Bible.

And right here it may be well enough to say again,

that the question of inspiration can not be settled by

the votes of the superstitious millions. It can not be

affected by numbers. It must be decided by each

human being for himself. If every man in this world,

with one exception, believed the Bible to be the in-

spired word of God, the man who was the exception

could not lose his right to think, to investigate, and to

judge for himself.

_Question_. You do not think, then, that any of the

arguments brought forward by Mr. Talmage for the

purpose of establishing the inspiration of the Bible,

are of any weight whatever?

_Answer_. I do not. I do not see how it is possible

to make poorer, weaker or better arguments than he

has made.

Of course, there can be no "evidence" of the in-

spiration of the Scriptures. What is "inspiration"?

Did God use the prophets simply as instruments?

Did he put his thoughts in their minds, and use their

337

hands to make a record? Probably few Christians

will agree as to what they mean by "inspiration."

The general idea is, that the minds of the writers of

the books of the Bible were controlled by the divine

will in such a way that they expressed, independently

of their own opinions, the thought of God. I believe it

is admitted that God did not choose the exact words,

and is not responsible for the punctuation or syntax.

It is hard to give any reason for claiming more for

the Bible than is claimed by those who wrote it.

There is no claim of "inspiration" made by the writer

of First and Second Kings. Not one word about the

author having been "inspired" is found in the book

of Job, or in Ruth, or in Chronicles, or in the Psalms,

or Ecclesiastes, or in Solomon's Song, and nothing is

said about the author of the book of Esther having

been "inspired." Christians now say that Matthew,

Mark, Luke and John were "inspired" to write the

four gospels, and yet neither Mark, nor Luke, nor

John, nor Matthew claims to have been "inspired."

If they were "inspired," certainly they should have

stated that fact. The very first thing stated in each

of the gospels should have been a declaration by the

writer that he had been "inspired," and that he was

about to write the book under the guidance of God,

338

and at the conclusion of each gospel there should

have been a solemn statement that the writer had

put down nothing of himself, but had in all things

followed the direction and guidance of the divine

will. The church now endeavors to establish the

inspiration of the Bible by force, by social ostracism,

and by attacking the reputation of every man who

denies or doubts. In all Christian countries, they

begin with the child in the cradle. Each infant is

told by its mother, by its father, or by some of its

relatives, that "the Bible is an inspired book." This

pretended fact, by repetition "in season and out of

"season," is finally burned and branded into the

brain to such a degree that the child of average

intelligence never outgrows the conviction that the

Bible is, in some peculiar sense, an "inspired" book.

The question has to be settled for each generation.

The evidence is not sufficient, and the foundation of

Christianity is perpetually insecure. Beneath this great

religious fabric there is no rock. For eighteen centu-

ries, hundreds and thousands and millions of people

have been endeavoring to establish the fact that the

Scriptures are inspired, and since the dawn of science,

since the first star appeared in the night of the

Middle Ages, until this moment, the number of

339

people who have doubted the fact of inspiration

has steadily increased. These doubts have not been

born of ignorance, they have not been suggested by

the unthinking. They have forced themselves upon

the thoughtful, upon the educated, and now the ver-

dict of the intellectual world is, that the Bible is not

inspired. Notwithstanding the fact that the church

has taken advantage of infancy, has endeavored to

control education, has filled all primers and spelling-

books and readers and text books with superstition--

feeding all minds with the miraculous and super-

natural, the growth toward a belief in the natural

and toward the rejection of the miraculous has been

steady and sturdy since the sixteenth century. There

has been, too, a moral growth, until many passages

in the Bible have become barbarous, inhuman and

infamous. The Bible has remained the same, while

the world has changed. In the light of physical and

moral discovery, "the inspired volume" seems in

many respects absurd. If the same progress is made

in the next, as in the last, century, it is very easy to

predict the place that will then be occupied by the

Bible. By comparing long periods of time, it is easy

to measure the advance of the human race. Com-

pare the average sermon of to-day with the average

340

sermon of one hundred years ago. Compare what

ministers teach to-day with the creeds they profess

to believe, and you will see the immense distance

that even the church has traveled in the last century.

The Christians tell us that scientific men have

made mistakes, and that there is very little certainty

in the domain of human knowledge. This I admit.

The man who thought the world was flat, and who

had a way of accounting for the movement of the

heavenly bodies, had what he was pleased to call a

philosophy. He was, in his way, a geologist and an

astronomer. We admit that he was mistaken; but

if we claimed that the first geologist and the first

astronomer were inspired, it would not do for us to

admit that any advance had been made, or that any

errors of theirs had been corrected. We do not

claim that the first scientists were inspired. We do

not claim that the last are inspired. We admit that

all scientific men are fallible. We admit that they do

not know everything. We insist that they know but

little, and that even in that little which they are sup-

posed to know, there is the possibility of error. The

first geologist said: "The earth is flat." Suppose

that the geologists of to-day should insist that that

man was inspired, and then endeavor to show that

341

the word "flat," in the "Hebrew," did not mean

quite flat, but just a little rounded; what would we

think of their honesty? The first astronomer in-

sisted that the sun and moon and stars revolved

around this earth--that this little earth was the centre

of the entire system. Suppose that the astronomers

of to-day should insist that that astronomer was in-

spired, and should try to explain, and say that he

simply used the language of the common people, and

when he stated that the sun and moon and stars re-

volved around the earth, he merely meant that they

"apparently revolved," and that the earth, in fact,

turned over, would we consider them honest men?

You might as well say that the first painter was in-

spired, or that the first sculptor had the assistance of

God, as to say that the first writer, or the first book-

maker, was divinely inspired. It is more probable

that the modern geologist is inspired than that the an-

cient one was, because the modern geologist is nearer

right. It is more probable that William Lloyd Gar-

rison was inspired upon the question of slavery than

that Moses was. It is more probable that the author

of the Declaration of Independence spoke by divine

authority than that the author of the Pentateuch did.

In other words, if there can be any evidence of

342

"inspiration," it must lie in the fact of doing or

saying the best possible thing that could have been

done or said at that time or upon that subject.

To make myself clear: The only possible evidence

of "inspiration" would be perfection--a perfection ex-

celling anything that man unaided had ever attained.

An "inspired" book should excel all other books; an

inspired statue should be the best in this world; an in-

spired painting should be beyond all others. If the Bible

has been improved in any particular, it was not, in that

particular, ''inspired." If slavery is wrong, the Bible is

not inspired. If polygamy is vile and loathsome, the

Bible is not inspired. If wars of extermination are cruel

and heartless, the Bible is not "inspired." If there is

within that book a contradiction of any natural fact; if

there is one ignorant falsehood, if there is one mistake,

then it is not "inspired." I do not mean mistakes that

have grown out of translations; but if there was in

the original manuscript one mistake, then it is not

"inspired." I do not demand a miracle; I do not

demand a knowledge of the future; I simply demand

an absolute knowledge of the past. I demand an ab-

solute knowledge of the then present; I demand a

knowledge of the constitution of the human mind--

of the facts in nature, and that is all I demand.

343

_Question_. If I understand you, you think that all

political power should come from the people; do you

not believe in any "special providence," and do you

take the ground that God does not interest himself

in the affairs of nations and individuals?

_Answer_. The Christian idea is that God made the

world, and made certain laws for the government of

matter and mind, and that he never interferes except

upon special occasions, when the ordinary laws fail to

work out the desired end. Their notion is, that the

Lord now and then stops the horses simply to show

that he is driving. It seems to me that if an infinitely

wise being made the world, he must have made it

the best possible; and that if he made laws for the

government of matter and mind, he must have made

the best possible laws. If this is true, not one of

these laws can be violated without producing a posi-

tive injury. It does not seem probable that infinite

wisdom would violate a law that infinite wisdom had

made.

Most ministers insist that God now and then in-

terferes in the affairs of this world; that he has not

interfered as much lately as he did formerly. When

the world was comparatively new, it required alto-

gether more tinkering and fixing than at present.

344

Things are at last in a reasonably good condition,

and consequently a great amount of interference is

not necessary. In old times it was found necessary fre-

quently to raise the dead, to change the nature of fire

and water, to punish people with plagues and famine,

to destroy cities by storms of fire and brimstone, to

change women into salt, to cast hailstones upon

heathen, to interfere with the movements of our

planetary system, to stop the earth not only, but

sometimes to make it turn the other way, to arrest

the moon, and to make water stand up like a wall.

Now and then, rivers were divided by striking them

with a coat, and people were taken to heaven in

chariots of fire. These miracles, in addition to curing

the sick, the halt, the deaf and blind, were in former

times found necessary, but since the "apostolic age,"

nothing of the kind has been resorted to except in

Catholic countries. Since the death of the last

apostle, God has appeared only to members of the

Catholic Church, and all modern miracles have been

performed for the benefit of Catholicism. There is

no authentic account of the Virgin Mary having ever

appeared to a Protestant. The bones of Protestant

saints have never cured a solitary disease. Protest-

ants now say that the testimony of the Catholics can

345

not be relied upon, and yet, the authenticity of every

book in the New Testament was established by Cath-

olic testimony. Some few miracles were performed

in Scotland, and in fact in England and the United

States, but they were so small that they are hardly

worth mentioning. Now and then, a man was struck

dead for taking the name of the Lord in vain. Now

and then, people were drowned who were found in

boats on Sunday. Whenever anybody was about to

commit murder, God has not interfered--the reason

being that he gave man free-will, and expects to hold

him accountable in another world, and there is no

exception to this free-will doctrine, but in cases

where men swear or violate the Sabbath. They are

allowed to commit all other crimes without any in-

terference on the part of the Lord.

My own opinion is, that the clergy found it neces-

sary to preserve the Sabbath for their own uses, and

for that reason endeavored to impress the people

with the enormity of its violation, and for that purpose

gave instances of people being drowned and suddenly

struck dead for working or amusing themselves on that

day. The clergy have objected to any other places of

amusement except their own, being opened on that

day. They wished to compel people either to go to

346

church or stay at home. They have also known

that profanity tended to do away with the feelings

of awe they wished to cultivate, and for that reason

they have insisted that swearing was one of the most

terrible of crimes, exciting above all others the wrath

of God.

There was a time when people fell dead for having

spoken disrespectfully to a priest. The priest at that

time pretended to be the visible representative of

God, and as such, entitled to a degree of reverence

amounting almost to worship. Several cases are

given in the ecclesiastical history of Scotland where

men were deprived of speech for having spoken

rudely to a parson.

These stories were calculated to increase the im-

portance of the clergy and to convince people that

they were under the special care of the Deity. The

story about the bears devouring the little children

was told in the first place, and has been repeated

since, simply to protect ministers from the laughter

of children. There ought to be carved on each side

of every pulpit a bear with fragments of children in

its mouth, as this animal has done so much to protect

the dignity of the clergy.

The Works of Robert G. Ingersoll, Vol. 05 (of 12) Dresden Edition—Discussions · 第 57 / 68 题