SIXTH INTERVIEW.

_It is a contradiction in terms and ideas to call

anything a revelation that comes to us at second-

hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is

necessarily limited to the first communication--

after this, it is only an account of something

which that person says was a revelation made to

him; and though he may find himself obliged to

believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to

believe it in the same manner; for it was not a

revelation made to me, and I have only his word

for it that it was made to him.--Thomas Paine._

_Question_. What do you think of the argu-

ments presented by Mr. Talmage in favor of

the inspiration of the Bible?

_Answer_. Mr. Talmage takes the ground that

there are more copies of the Bible than of any

other book, and that consequently it must be in-

spired.

It seems to me that this kind of reasoning proves

entirely too much. If the Bible is the inspired word

of God, it was certainly just as true when there was

only one copy, as it is to-day; and the facts con-

tained in it were just as true before they were

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written, as afterwards. We all know that it is a fact

in human nature, that a man can tell a falsehood so

often that he finally believes it himself; but I never

suspected, until now, that a mistake could be printed

enough times to make it true.

There may have been a time, and probably there

was, when there were more copies of the Koran

than of the Bible. When most Christians were ut-

terly ignorant, thousands of Moors were educated;

and it is well known that the arts and sciences

flourished in Mohammedan countries in a far greater

degree than in Christian. Now, at that time, it may

be that there were more copies of the Koran than of

the Bible. If some enterprising Mohammedan had

only seen the force of such a fact, he might have

established the inspiration of the Koran beyond

a doubt; or, if it had been found by actual count that

the Koran was a little behind, a few years of in-

dustry spent in the multiplication of copies, might

have furnished the evidence of its inspiration.

Is it not simply amazing that a doctor of divinity,

a Presbyterian clergyman, in this day and age, should

seriously rely upon the number of copies of the Bible

to substantiate the inspiration of that book? Is it

possible to conceive of anything more fig-leaflessly

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absurd? If there is anything at all in this argument,

it is, that all books are true in proportion to the

number of copies that exist. Of course, the same

rule will work with newspapers; so that the news-

paper having the largest circulation can consistently

claim infallibility. Suppose that an exceedingly absurd

statement should appear in _The New York Herald_,

and some one should denounce it as utterly without

any foundation in fact or probability; what would

Mr. Talmage think if the editor of the Herald, as an

evidence of the truth of the statement, should rely

on the fact that his paper had the largest circulation

of any in the city? One would think that the whole

church had acted upon the theory that a falsehood re-

peated often enough was as good as the truth.

Another evidence brought forward by the reverend

gentleman to prove the inspiration of the Scriptures,

is the assertion that if Congress should undertake to

pass a law to take the Bible from the people, thirty,

millions would rise in defence of that book.

This argument also seems to me to prove too much,

and as a consequence, to prove nothing. If Con-

gress should pass a law prohibiting the reading of

Shakespeare, every American would rise in defence

of his right to read the works of the greatest man

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this world has known. Still, that would not even

tend to show that Shakespeare was inspired. The

fact is, the American people would not allow Con-

gress to pass a law preventing them from reading

any good book. Such action would not prove the

book to be inspired; it would prove that the American

people believe in liberty.

There are millions of people in Turkey who would

peril their lives in defence of the Koran. A fact like

this does not prove the truth of the Koran; it simply

proves what Mohammedans think of that book, and

what they are willing to do for its preservation.

It can not be too often repeated, that martyrdom

does not prove the truth of the thing for which the

martyr dies; it only proves the sincerity of the martyr

and the cruelty of his murderers. No matter how

many people regard the Bible as inspired,--that fact

furnishes no evidence that it is inspired. Just as many

people have regarded other books as inspired; just as

many millions have been deluded about the inspiration

of books ages and ages before Christianity was born.

The simple belief of one man, or of millions of men,

is no evidence to another. Evidence must be based,

not upon the belief of other people, but upon facts.

A believer may state the facts upon which his belief

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is founded, and the person to whom he states them

gives them the weight that according to the con-

struction and constitution of his mind he must. But

simple, bare belief is not testimony. We should build

upon facts, not upon beliefs of others, nor upon the

shifting sands of public opinion. So much for this

argument.

The next point made by the reverend gentleman

is, that an infidel cannot be elected to any office in

the United States, in any county, precinct, or ward.

For the sake of the argument, let us admit that this

is true. What does it prove? There was a time

when no Protestant could have been elected to any

office. What did that prove? There was a time

when no Presbyterian could have been chosen to fill

any public station. What did that prove? The

same may be said of the members of each religious

denomination. What does that prove?

Mr. Talmage says that Christianity must be true,

because an infidel cannot be elected to office. Now,

suppose that enough infidels should happen to settle

in one precinct to elect one of their own number to

office; would that prove that Christianity was not

true in that precinct? There was a time when no

man could have been elected to any office, who in-

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sisted on the rotundity of the earth; what did that

prove? There was a time when no man who denied

the existence of witches, wizards, spooks and devils,

could hold any position of honor; what did that

prove? There was a time when an abolitionist could

not be elected to office in any State in this Union;

what did that prove? There was a time when they

were not allowed to express their honest thoughts;

what does that prove? There was a time when a

Quaker could not have been elected to any office;

there was a time in the history of this country when

but few of them were allowed to live; what does

that prove? Is it necessary, in order to ascertain the

truth of Christianity, to look over the election re-

turns? Is "inspiration" a question to be settled by

the ballot? I admit that it was once, in the first

place, settled that way. I admit that books were

voted in and voted out, and that the Bible was finally

formed in accordance with a vote; but does Mr.

Talmage insist that the question is not still open?

Does he not know, that a fact cannot by any possi-

bility be affected by opinion? We make laws for

the whole people, by the whole people. We agree

that a majority shall rule, but nobody ever pretended

that a question of taste could be settled by an appeal

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to majorities, or that a question of logic could be

affected by numbers. In the world of thought, each

man is an absolute monarch, each brain is a king-

dom, that cannot be invaded even by the tyranny of

majorities.

No man can avoid the intellectual responsibility of

deciding for himself.

Suppose that the Christian religion had been put

to vote in Jerusalem? Suppose that the doctrine of

the "fall" had been settled in Athens, by an appeal

to the people, would Mr. Talmage have been willing

to abide by their decision? If he settles the inspira-

tion of the Bible by a popular vote, he must settle the

meaning of the Bible by the same means. There are

more Methodists than Presbyterians--why does the

gentleman remain a Presbyterian? There are more

Buddhists than Christians--why does he vote against

majorities? He will remember that Christianity was

once settled by a popular vote--that the divinity of

Christ was submitted to the people, and the people

said: "Crucify him!"

The next, and about the strongest, argument Mr.

Talmage makes is, that I am an infidel because I was

defeated for Governor of Illinois.

When put in plain English, his statement is this:

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that I was defeated because I was an infidel, and that

I am an infidel because I was defeated. This, I be-

lieve, is called reasoning in a circle. The truth is,

that a good many people did object to me because I

was an infidel, and the probability is, that if I had

denied being an infidel, I might have obtained an

office. The wonderful part is, that any Christian

should deride me because I preferred honor to po-

litical success. He who dishonors himself for the

sake of being honored by others, will find that two

mistakes have been made--one by himself, and the

other, by the people.

I presume that Mr.Talmage really thinks that I was

extremely foolish to avow my real opinions. After

all, men are apt to judge others somewhat by them-

selves. According to him, I made the mistake of

preserving my manhood and losing an office. Now,

if I had in fact been an infidel, and had denied it, for

the sake of position, then I admit that every Christian

might have pointed at me the finger of contempt.

But I was an infidel, and admitted it. Surely, I should

not be held in contempt by Christians for having

made the admission. I was not a believer in the

Bible, and I said so. I was not a Christian, and I said

so. I was not willing to receive the support of any

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man under a false impression. I thought it better to

be honestly beaten, than to dishonestly succeed.

According to the ethics of Mr. Talmage I made a

mistake, and this mistake is brought forward as

another evidence of the inspiration of the Scriptures.

If I had only been elected Governor of Illinois,--that

is to say, if I had been a successful hypocrite, I might

now be basking in the sunshine of this gentleman's

respect. I preferred to tell the truth--to be an

honest man,--and I have never regretted the course

I pursued.

There are many men now in office who, had they

pursued a nobler course, would be private citizens.

Nominally, they are Christians; actually, they are

nothing; and this is the combination that generally

insures political success.

Mr. Talmage is exceedingly proud of the fact that

Christians will not vote for infidels. In other words,

he does not believe that in our Government the

church has been absolutely divorced from the state.

He believes that it is still the Christian's duty to

make the religious test. Probably he wishes to get

his God into the Constitution. My position is this:

Religion is an individual matter--a something for

each individual to settle for himself, and with which

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no other human being has any concern, provided the

religion of each human being allows liberty to every

other. When called upon to vote for men to fill the

offices of this country, I do not inquire as to the re-

ligion of the candidates. It is none of my business.

I ask the questions asked by Jefferson: "Is he

"honest; is he capable?" It makes no difference to

me, if he is willing that others should be free, what

creed he may profess. The moment I inquire into his

religious belief, I found a little inquisition of my own;

I repeat, in a small way, the errors of the past, and

reproduce, in so far as I am capable, the infamy of

the ignorant orthodox years.

Mr. Talmage will accept my thanks for his frankness.

I now know what controls a Presbyterian when he

casts his vote. He cares nothing for the capacity,

nothing for the fitness, of the candidate to discharge

the duties of the office to which he aspires; he

simply asks: Is he a Presbyterian, is he a Protestant,

does he believe our creed? and then, no matter how

ignorant he may be, how utterly unfit, he receives the

Presbyterian vote. According to Mr. Talmage, he

would vote for a Catholic who, if he had the power,

would destroy all liberty of conscience, rather than

vote for an infidel who, had he the power, would

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destroy all the religious tyranny of the world, and

allow every human being to think for himself, and

to worship God, or not, as and how he pleased.

Mr. Talmage makes the serious mistake of placing

the Bible above the laws and Constitution of his

country. He places Jehovah above humanity. Such

men are not entirely safe citizens of any republic.

And yet, I am in favor of giving to such men all the

liberty I ask for myself, trusting to education and the

spirit of progress to overcome any injury they may

do, or seek to do.

When this country was founded, when the Con-

stitution was adopted, the churches agreed to let the

State alone. They agreed that all citizens should have

equal civil rights. Nothing could be more dangerous

to the existence of this Republic than to introduce

religion into politics. The American theory is, that

governments are founded, not by gods, but by men,

and that the right to govern does not come from

God, but "from the consent of the governed." Our

fathers concluded that the people were sufficiently

intelligent to take care of themselves--to make good

laws and to execute them. Prior to that time, all

authority was supposed to come from the clouds.

Kings were set upon thrones by God, and it was the

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business of the people simply to submit. In all really

civilized countries, that doctrine has been abandoned.

The source of political power is here, not in heaven.

We are willing that those in heaven should control

affairs there; we are willing that the angels should

have a government to suit themselves; but while we

live here, and while our interests are upon this earth,

we propose to make and execute our own laws.

If the doctrine of Mr. Talmage is the true doctrine,

if no man should be voted for unless he is a Christian,

then no man should vote unless he is a Christian. It

will not do to say that sinners may vote, that an infidel

may be the repository of political power, but must not

be voted for. A decent Christian who is not willing

that an infidel should be elected to an office, would

not be willing to be elected to an office by infidel

votes. If infidels are too bad to be voted for, they

are certainly not good enough to vote, and no

Christian should be willing to represent such an

infamous constituency.

If the political theory of Mr. Talmage is carried

out, of course the question will arise in a little while,

What is a Christian? It will then be necessary to

write a creed to be subscribed by every person before

he is fit to vote or to be voted for. This of course

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must be done by the State, and must be settled,

under our form of government, by a majority vote.

Is Mr. Talmage willing that the question, What is

Christianity? should be so settled? Will he pledge

himself in advance to subscribe to such a creed? Of

course he will not. He will insist that he has the

right to read the Bible for himself, and that he must

be bound by his own conscience. In this he would

be right. If he has the right to read the Bible for

himself, so have I. If he is to be bound by his con-

science, so am I. If he honestly believes the Bible to

be true, he must say so, in order to preserve his man-

hood; and if I honestly believe it to be uninspired,--

filled with mistakes,--I must say so, or lose my man-

hood. How infamous I would be should I endeavor

to deprive him of his vote, or of his right to be voted

for, because he had been true to his conscience! And

how infamous he is to try to deprive me of the right

to vote, or to be voted for, because I am true to my

conscience!

When we were engaged in civil war, did Mr. Tal-

mage object to any man's enlisting in the ranks who

was not a Christian? Was he willing, at that time,

that sinners should vote to keep our flag in heaven?

Was he willing that the "unconverted" should cover

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the fields of victory with their corpses, that this nation

might not die? At the same time, Mr. Talmage

knew that every "unconverted" soldier killed, went

down to eternal fire. Does Mr. Talmage believe that

it is the duty of a man to fight for a government in

which he has no rights? Is the man who shoulders

his musket in the defence of human freedom good

enough to cast a ballot? There is in the heart of this

priest the safne hatred of real liberty that drew the

sword of persecution, that built dungeons, that forged

chains and made instruments of torture.

Nobody, with the exception of priests, would be

willing to trust the liberties of this country in the

hands of any church. In order to show the political

estimation in which the clergy are held, in order to

show the confidence the people at large have in the

sincerity and wisdom of the clergy, it is sufficient to

state, that no priest, no bishop, could by any possi-

bility be elected President of the United States. No

party could carry that load. A fear would fall upon

the mind and heart of every honest man that this

country was about to drift back to the Middle Ages,

and that the old battles were to be refought. If the

bishop running for President was of the Methodist

Church, every other church would oppose him. If

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he was a Catholic, the Protestants would as a body

combine against him. Why? The churches have

no confidence in each other. Why? Because they

are acquainted with each other.

As a matter of fact, the infidel has a thousand

times more reason to vote against the Christian,

than the Christian has to vote against the infidel.

The Christian believes in a book superior to the

Constitution--superior to all Constitutions and all

laws. The infidel believes that the Constitution and

laws are superior to any book. He is not controlled

by any power beyond the seas or above the clouds.

He does not receive his orders from Rome, or Sinai.

He receives them from his fellow-citizens, legally and

constitutionally expressed. The Christian believes in

a power greater than man, to which, upon the peril

of eternal pain, he must bow. His allegiance, to say

the best of it, is divided. The Christian puts the for-

tune of his own soul over and above the temporal

welfare of the entire world; the infidel puts the good

of mankind here and now, beyond and over all.

There was a time in New England when only

church members were allowed to vote, and it may be

instructive to state the fact that during that time

Quakers were hanged, women were stripped, tied to

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carts, and whipped from town to town, and their

babes sold into slavery, or exchanged for rum. Now

in that same country, thousands and thousands of

infidels vote, and yet the laws are nearer just, women

are not whipped and children are not sold.

If all the convicts in all the penitentiaries of the

United States could be transported to some island in

the sea, and there allowed to make a government for

themselves, they would pass better laws than John

Calvin did in Geneva. They would have clearer and

better views of the rights of men, than unconvicted

Christians used to have. I do not say that these

convicts are better people, but I do say that, in my

judgment, they would make better laws. They cer-

tainly could not make worse.

If these convicts were taken from the prisons of

the United States, they would not dream of uniting

church and state. They would have no religious

test. They would allow every man to vote and to be

voted for, no matter what his religious views might

be. They would not dream of whipping Quakers, of

burning Unitarians, of imprisoning or burning Uni-

versalists or infidels. They would allow all the people

to guess for themselves. Some of these convicts, of

course, would believe in the old ideas, and would

insist upon the suppression of free thought. Those

coming from Delaware would probably repeat with

great gusto the opinions of Justice Comegys, and

insist that the whipping-post was the handmaid of

Christianity.

It would be hard to conceive of a much worse

government than that founded by the Puritans.

They took the Bible for the foundation of their

political structure. They copied the laws given to

Moses from Sinai, and the result was one of the

worst governments that ever disgraced this world.

They believed the Old Testament to be inspired.

They believed that Jehovah made laws for all people

and for all time. They had not learned the hypoc-

risy that believes and avoids. They did not say:

This law was once just, but is now unjust; it was

once good, but now it is infamous; it was given by

God once, but now it can only be obeyed by the

devil. They had not reached the height of biblical

exegesis on which we find the modern theologian

perched, and who tells us that Jehovah has reformed.

The Puritans were consistent. They did what people

must do who honestly believe in the inspiration of

the Old Testament. If God gave laws from Sinai

what right have we to repeal them?

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As people have gained confidence in each other,

they have lost confidence in the sacred Scriptures.

We know now that the Bible can not be used as the

foundation of government. It is capable of too many

meanings. Nobody can find out exactly what it

upholds, what it permits, what it denounces, what it

denies. These things depend upon what part you

read. If it is all true, it upholds everything bad and

denounces everything good, and it also denounces

the bad and upholds the good. Then there are

passages where the good is denounced and the bad

commanded; so that any one can go to the Bible

and find some text, some passage, to uphold anything

he may desire. If he wishes to enslave his fellow-

men, he will find hundreds of passages in his favor.

If he wishes to be a polygamist, he can find his

authority there. If he wishes to make war, to exter-

minate his neighbors, there his warrant can be found.

If, on the other hand, he is oppressed himself, and

wishes to make war upon his king, he can find a

battle-cry. And if the king wishes to put him down,

he can find text for text on the other side. So, too,

upon all questions of reform. The teetotaler goes

there to get his verse, and the moderate drinker

finds within the sacred lids his best excuse.

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Most intelligent people are now convinced that the

bible is not a guide; that in reading it you must

exercise your reason; that you can neither safely

reject nor accept all; that he who takes one passage

for a staff, trips upon another; that while one text is

a light, another blows it out; that it is such a ming-

ling of rocks and quicksands, such a labyrinth of

clews and snares--so few flowers among so many

nettles and thorns, that it misleads rather than di-

rects, and taken altogether, is a hindrance and not

a help.

Another important point made by Mr. Talmage is,

that if the Bible is thrown away, we will have nothing

left to swear witnesses on, and that consequently the

administration of justice will become impossible.

There was a time when the Bible did not exist, and

if Mr. Talmage is correct, of course justice was im-

possible then, and truth must have been a stranger

to human lips. How can we depend upon the testi-

mony of those who wrote the Bible, as there was no

Bible in existence while they were writing, and con-

sequently there was no way to take their testimony,

and we have no account of their having been sworn

on the Bible after they got it finished. It is extremely

sad to think that all the nations of antiquity were left

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entirely without the means of eliciting truth. No

wonder that Justice was painted blindfolded.

What perfect fetichism it is, to imagine that a man

will tell the truth simply because he has kissed an

old piece of sheepskin stained with the saliva of all

classes. A farce of this kind adds nothing to the

testimony of an honest man; it simply allows a rogue

to give weight to his false testimony. This is really

the only result that can be accomplished by kissing

the Bible. A desperate villain, for the purpose of

getting revenge, or making money, will gladly go

through the ceremony, and ignorant juries and su-

perstitious judges will be imposed upon. The whole

system of oaths is false, and does harm instead of

good. Let every man walk into court and tell his

story, and let the truth of the story be judged by its

reasonableness, taking into consideration the charac-

ter of the witness, the interest he has, and the posi-

tion he occupies in the controversy, and then let it

be the business of the jury to ascertain the real truth

--to throw away the unreasonable and the impossi-

ble, and make up their verdict only upon what they

believe to be reasonable and true. An honest man

does not need the oath, and a rascal uses it simply

to accomplish his purpose. If the history of courts

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proved that every man, after kissing the Bible, told

the truth, and that those who failed to kiss it some-

times lied, I should be in favor of swearing all people

on the Bible; but the experience of every lawyer is,

that kissing the Bible is not always the preface of a

true story. It is often the ceremonial embroidery

of a falsehood.

If there is an infinite God who attends to the

affairs of men, it seems to me almost a sacrilege to

publicly appeal to him in every petty trial. If one

will go into any court, and notice the manner in

which oaths are administered,--the utter lack of

solemnity--the matter-of-course air with which the

whole thing is done, he will be convinced that it is a

form of no importance. Mr. Talmage would probably

agree with the judge of whom the following story is

told:

A witness was being sworn. The judge noticed

that he was not holding up his hand. He said to the

clerk: "Let the witness hold up his right hand."

"His right arm was shot off," replied the clerk. "Let

"him hold up his left, then." "That was shot off, too,

"your honor." "Well, then, let him raise one foot;

"no man can be sworn in this court without holding

"something up."

My own opinion is, that if every copy of the Bible

in the world were destroyed, there would be some

way to ascertain the truth in judicial proceedings;

and any other book would do just as well to swear

witnesses upon, or a block in the shape of a book

covered with some kind of calfskin could do equally

well, or just the calfskin would do. Nothing is more

laughable than the performance of this ceremony,

and I have never seen in court one calf kissing the

skin of another, that I did not feel humiliated that

such things were done in the name of Justice.

Mr. Talmage has still another argument in favor

of the preservation of the Bible. He wants to

know what book could take its place on the centre-

table.

I admit that there is much force in this. Suppose

we all admitted the Bible to be an uninspired book,

it could still be kept on the centre-table. It would

be just as true then as it is now. Inspiration can not

add anything to a fact; neither can inspiration make

the immoral moral, the unjust just, or the cruel merci-

ful. If it is a fact that God established human slavery,

that does not prove slavery to be right; it simply

shows that God was wrong. If I have the right to

use my reason in determining whether the Bible is

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inspired or not, and if in accordance with my reason

I conclude that it is inspired, I have still the right to

use my reason in determining whether the command-

ments of God are good or bad. Now, suppose we

take from the Bible every word upholding slavery,

every passage in favor of polygamy, every verse

commanding soldiers to kill women and children, it

would be just as fit for the centre-table as now. Sup-

pose every impure word was taken from it; suppose

that the history of Tamar was left out, the biography

of Lot, and all other barbarous accounts of a barbarous

people, it would look just as well upon the centre-

table as now.

Suppose that we should become convinced that

the writers of the New Testament were mistaken as

to the eternity of punishment, or that all the passages

now relied upon to prove the existence of perdition

were shown to be interpolations, and were thereupon

expunged, would not the book be dearer still to

every human being with a heart? I would like to

see every good passage in the Bible preserved. I

would like to see, with all these passages from the

Bible, the loftiest sentiments from all other books

that have ever been uttered by men in all ages and

of all races, bound in one volume, and to see that

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volume, filled with the greatest, the purest and the

best, become the household book.

The average Bible, on the average centre-table, is

about as much used as though it were a solid block.

It is scarcely ever opened, and people who see its

covers every day are unfamiliar with its every page.

I admit that some things have happened some-

what hard to explain, and tending to show that the

Bible is no ordinary book. I heard a story, not long

ago, bearing upon this very subject.

A man was a member of the church, but after a

time, having had bad luck in business affairs, became

somewhat discouraged. Not feeling able to con-

tribute his share to the support of the church, he

ceased going to meeting, and finally became an

average sinner. His bad luck pursued him until he

found himself and his family without even a crust to

eat. At this point, his wife told him that she be-

lieved they were suffering from a visitation of God,

and begged him to restore family worship, and see if

God would not do something for them. Feeling that

he could not possibly make matters worse, he took

the Bible from its resting place on a shelf where

it had quietly slumbered and collected the dust of

many months, and gathered his family about him.

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He opened the sacred volume, and to his utter as-

tonishment, there, between the divine leaves, was a

ten-dollar bill. He immediately dropped on his

knees. His wife dropped on hers, and the children on

theirs, and with streaming eyes they returned thanks

to God. He rushed to the butcher's and bought

some steak, to the baker's and bought some bread,

to the grocer's and got some eggs and butter and tea,

and joyfully hastened home. The supper was cooked,

it was on the table, grace was said, and every face

was radiant with joy. Just at that happy moment a

knock was heard, the door was opened, and a police-

man entered and arrested the father for passing

counterfeit money.

Mr. Talmage is also convinced that the Bible is

inspired and should be preserved because there is no

other book that a mother could give her son as he

leaves the old home to make his way in the world.

Thousands and thousands of mothers have pre-

sented their sons with Bibles without knowing really

what the book contains. They simply followed the

custom, and the sons as a rule honored the Bible, not

because they knew anything of it, but because it was

a gift from mother. But surely, if all the passages

upholding polygamy were out, the mother would give

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the book to her son just as readily, and he would re-

ceive it just as joyfully. If there were not one word

in it tending to degrade the mother, the gift would cer-

tainly be as appropriate. The fact that mothers have

presented Bibles to their sons does not prove that the

book is inspired. The most that can be proved by

this fact is that the mothers believed it to be inspired.

It does not even tend to show what the book is,

neither does it tend to establish the truth of one

miracle recorded upon its pages. We cannot believe

that fire refused to burn, simply because the state-

ment happens to be in a book presented to a son by

his mother, and if all the mothers of the entire world

should give Bibles to all their children, this would not

prove that it was once right to murder mothers, or to

enslave mothers, or to sell their babes.

The inspiration of the Bible is not a question of

natural affection. It can not be decided by the love

a mother bears her son. It is a question of fact, to

be substantiated like other facts. If the Turkish

mother should give a copy of the Koran to her

son, I would still have my doubts about the in-

spiration of that book; and if some Turkish soldier

saved his life by having in his pocket a copy of

the Koran that accidentally stopped a bullet just

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opposite his heart, I should still deny that Mohammed

was a prophet of God.

Nothing can be more childish than to ascribe

mysterious powers to inanimate objects. To imagine

that old rags made into pulp, manufactured into

paper, covered with words, and bound with the skin

of a calf or a sheep, can have any virtues when thus

put together that did not belong to the articles out

of which the book was constructed, is of course

infinitely absurd.

In the days of slavery, negroes used to buy dried

roots of other negroes, and put these roots in their

pockets, so that a whipping would not give them

pain. Kings have bought diamonds to give them

luck. Crosses and scapularies are still worn for the

purpose of affecting the inevitable march of events.

People still imagine that a verse in the Bible can step

in between a cause and its effect; really believe that

an amulet, a charm, the bone of some saint, a piece

of a cross, a little image of the Virgin, a picture of a

priest, will affect the weather, will delay frost, will

prevent disease, will insure safety at sea, and in some

cases prevent hanging. The banditti of Italy have

great confidence in these things, and whenever they

start upon an expedition of theft and plunder, they

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take images and pictures of saints with them, such

as have been blest by a priest or pope. They pray

sincerely to the Virgin, to give them luck, and see not

the slightest inconsistency in appealing to all the

saints in the calendar to assist them in robbing honest

people.

Edmund About tells a story that illustrates the belief

of the modern Italian. A young man was gambling.

Fortune was against him. In the room was a little

picture representing the Virgin and her child. Before

this picture he crossed himself, and asked the assist-

ance of the child. Again he put down his money

and again lost. Returning to the picture, he told the

child that he had lost all but one piece, that he was

about to hazard that, and made a very urgent request

that he would favor him with divine assistance. He

put down the last piece. He lost. Going to the

picture and shaking his fist at the child, he cried out:

"Miserable bambino, I am glad they crucified you!"

The confidence that one has in an image, in a relic,

in a book, comes from the same source,--fetichism.

To ascribe supernatural virtues to the skin of a snake,

to a picture, or to a bound volume, is intellectually

the same.

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