Mr. ADAMS. Do you----

Mr. O'BRIEN. With the exception of insuring the inclusion in the

motorcade of the Members of Congress and Senator Yarborough, that they

be properly handled so that they would be included in open cars in the

motorcade.

Mr. ADAMS. And it was part of your responsibility to see that--what

cars they got into and all those arrangements?

Mr. O'BRIEN. I would not say specifically that. They would have their

car assignments. But for the most part, it was, if anything went wrong

in the arrangements at some point, I would then be able to have a staff

man correct it. So I would keep a close eye on the congressional people

traveling with the President on a trip of that nature to be sure that

they were well taken care of.

Mr. ADAMS. Do you know when the information about the precise route was

released to the press?

Mr. O'BRIEN. No; I do not.

Mr. ADAMS. Was there any thought--I withdraw that one, and ask you

this: Do you know how it came about that Dallas was chosen as one of

the cities to visit?

Mr. O'BRIEN. I don't recall specifically, except that the size of the

city, the concentration of population, would make it an obvious stop in

Texas, if you were going to be in the State for 2 or 2-1/2 days. It is

rather an obvious decision, that the Dallas area would be one of the

stops.

Mr. ADAMS. As far as you know, there was never any consideration given

to omitting Dallas?

Mr. O'BRIEN. I do not recall any.

Mr. ADAMS. Well, we are back now at Love Field. Would you tell us what

happened there, as far as you observed it?

Mr. O'BRIEN. The President moved over to the fence, where a large

crowd had gathered and shook the hands of several in the crowd, as

the motorcade was awaiting his departure. All those in the motorcade

proceeded to get into their cars. There was the usual amount of minor

confusion--people hustling around to locate their car number, and I

stood watching the President engaged in this activity, until he had

gotten into his car, and a quick observation indicated to me that all

those traveling with us had gotten into their cars.

I came very close, however, to being left at Love Field, because I

delayed a little longer than I normally would, observing the scene,

and, consequently, I had to make a little dash, myself, to hop into a

car, to insure that I would travel into town.

Mr. ADAMS. When the President was greeting people along the fence

there, was he accompanied by Mrs. Kennedy?

Mr. O'BRIEN. That is my recollection.

Mr. ADAMS. And do you recall at that time what the Vice President and

Mrs. Johnson were doing?

Mr. O'BRIEN. They were engaged in the same activity, as I recall it.

Mr. ADAMS. I think you said this was a large crowd.

Mr. O'BRIEN. Yes; it appeared to be a large crowd. The difficulty in

judging a crowd from the ground at an airport is obvious. But as we

came down the steps of the plane, looking out over the crowd, I had the

impression that it was a large crowd for an airport stop, considering

the fact the President was about to travel through the heart of the

city.

Mr. ADAMS. Was it a friendly crowd?

Mr. O'BRIEN. It appeared to be friendly.

Mr. ADAMS. Now, getting to the motorcade, what was its organization, as

you recall it, in terms of what cars at what places?

Mr. O'BRIEN. As I recall it, following the usual police grouping in

the front and sides, the President's car, Secret Service car, the

Vice President's car, additional Secret Service car, wire service

cars--I would think there probably were two--the VIP cars followed,

and then following those cars, which was rather a long line of them,

as I recall, were, I believe, one or two buses containing the press,

traveling press.

Mr. ADAMS. When you refer to the VIP cars, those would include the

Congressmen and the other gentlemen you referred to before?

Mr. O'BRIEN. That is right. Senator Yarborough was in the car with

the Vice President and Mrs. Johnson. The members of the congressional

delegation traveling with us at that point were then in open cars--I

would think there were perhaps four open cars to accommodate them.

Mr. ADAMS. Which one were you in?

Mr. O'BRIEN. I was in one of those open cars--specifically, I don't

remember the order of the car, but I remember the passengers I joined.

And as I pointed out, this was rather a quick hop into the car that I

made at that point. Congressman Mahon was in the front seat with the

driver. Congressman Rogers of Texas, now Judge Homer Thornberry of

Texas, and me in the back seat.

Mr. ADAMS. Do you know who the driver was?

Mr. O'BRIEN. I do not.

Mr. ADAMS. Now, would you say that between you and the Vice President's

followup car, there was more than one open car? As I get it--to put it

another way to perhaps refresh your recollection--there was the Vice

President's car, then there was a followup car behind that, and then

came, as you have recalled, the open cars, in which you were seated in

one of them.

Mr. O'BRIEN. Yes.

Mr. ADAMS. Now, were you in the one directly behind the Vice

President's followup car, or farther back?

Mr. O'BRIEN. I do not believe I was in the first VIP car, because,

as I stated when I looked around and the motorcade started to move

slightly, I moved toward a car handy to me. I would think that I was in

the second or conceivably third open car, because, at that time, we had

approximately 10 or 12 members of the Texas congressional delegation,

and obviously we, therefore, had perhaps four open cars. I don't recall

that I was in the first one--it was the second or third. I was not in

the last one, either.

Mr. ADAMS. Were you assigned to a particular car, or would you just

have taken any that would happen to be available?

Mr. O'BRIEN. I am sure I was assigned to a particular car. As a rule, I

would be assigned to the first VIP car--VIP meaning as a rule, again,

a congressional delegation. And in this instance, I don't recall the

actual car assignment. And it was not unusual for me to not adhere

strictly to the assignment.

Mr. ADAMS. And as the motorcade left Love Field--let me withdraw that

and put it this way: You were seated in the back?

Mr. O'BRIEN. On the right back.

Mr. ADAMS. On the right-hand side?

Mr. O'BRIEN. That is correct.

Mr. ADAMS. From where you were seated in that car, as you proceeded

toward the city, could you see the President in his car?

Mr. O'BRIEN. Only occasionally. There were occasions when you could

not see him. Other times, depending on the turns in the road, and

what-have-you, you would get a view of him. And there were times when

he was upright in the car, and you could spot him.

But, generally speaking, I would say that I was concentrating on crowd

attitude and size for the most part, going in toward the city.

Mr. ADAMS. From what you could see of the President's car, where was he

seated?

On the right-hand side or the left-hand side?

Mr. O'BRIEN. As I looked toward the car, he was seated on the right,

with Governor Connally seated directly in front of him.

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