Mr. BALL. Now, wait a minute, were you polishing cars when you heard
something?
Mr. GUINYARD. When I heard a shot.
Mr. BALL. You heard a noise?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And it sounded like shots?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. How many?
Mr. GUINYARD. I heard three.
Mr. BALL. Where did the sound come from?
Mr. GUINYARD. Right behind me, north of me--behind me.
Mr. BALL. What street is north of you?
Mr. GUINYARD. Tenth.
Mr. BALL. You were on what street--your carlot faces what street?
Mr. GUINYARD. It faces Jefferson and 10th.
Mr. BALL. And 10th Street is north?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; and I was in the back--I was about half way right in
the back.
Mr. BALL. The cross street is Patton Street?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you do when you heard the shots?
Mr. GUINYARD. I raised up trying to see where they were coming from,
where the sound was coming from.
Mr. BALL. Then what did you do?
Mr. GUINYARD. I was looking--trying to see and after I heard the third
shot, then Oswald came through on Patton running--came right through
the yard in front of the big white house--there's a big two-story
white house--there's two of them there and he come through the one
right on the corner of Patton.
Mr. BALL. Could you see down to the corner of 10th and Patton to the
house?
Mr. GUINYARD. I seen him when he come between the two houses, come
around in front of the last house to get on Patton Street to come out
to Jefferson.
Mr. BALL. Where were you when you saw this?
Mr. GUINYARD. Where was I?
Mr. BALL. Yes.
Mr. GUINYARD. I was there at the back, right at the alley back there
about as far from Patton Street as--about twice as far from here as to
that window.
Mr. BALL. Then, you were about 10 feet from Patton Street?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. So that you could look up Patton Street?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. North on Patton?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you saw a man, did you?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. What did you see him doing?
Mr. GUINYARD. He came through there running and knocking empty shells
out of his pistol and he had it up just like this with his hand.
Mr. BALL. With which hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. With his right hand; just kicking them out.
Mr. BALL. He had it up?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; he had it up just like this.
Mr. BALL. How was he kicking them out?
Mr. GUINYARD. He was rolling them with his hand--with his thumb.
Mr. BALL. Rolling them with his thumb?
Mr. GUINYARD. Checking them--he had the pistol up just like this
[indicating].
Mr. BALL. Did he use his left hand any?
Mr. GUINYARD. No; I never did see him use his left hand.
Mr. BALL. He didn't?
Mr. GUINYARD. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. And where was he with reference to the corner of Patton and
10th when you saw him?
Mr. GUINYARD. Where was he?
Mr. BALL. Yes.
Mr. GUINYARD. Just as he come around the corner on Patton, he cut
through the yard and missed the corner on 10th and Patton and cut
through the yard.
Mr. BALL. He cut through the yard of the house on the corner of 10th
and Patton?
Mr. GUINYARD. That's right.
Mr. BALL. That would be the southeast corner, wouldn't it?
Mr. GUINYARD. The west--southwest corner--the southeast corner is where
he started across, but he come out on Patton on the southwest corner.
Mr. BALL. In other words, when you first saw him he was cutting across
the yard of the house on the southeast corner?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. That's the white house?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes; the big two-story white house.
Mr. BALL. Did he cross Patton?
Mr. GUINYARD. No, sir; he come down Patton until he got to about 5 feet
from the corner of Jefferson and then he turned across and went across
to the west corner on Jefferson.
Mr. BALL. What side of the street did you see him coming down on?
Mr. GUINYARD. He was on the left side--when he come down--it would be
the east side.
Mr. BALL. Did you see Mr. Callaway there?
Mr. GUINYARD. We was together; yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You were together?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes, sir; he was at the front and I was at the back.
Mr. BALL. You and Callaway were standing at the alleyway?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. The alleyway that runs along the north side of the lot?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Now, where was Oswald when he passed you going south toward
Jefferson?
Mr. GUINYARD. Well, he was between the alley and the driveway coming
off Patton.
Mr. BALL. And he was across the street from you, wasn't he?
Mr. GUINYARD. No; he was on this side of the street.
Mr. BALL. You were on the east side of the street?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes, sir; and he was too--he was on the east side of the
street until he got across our driveway and then he got onto the west
side.
Mr. BALL. How close was he to you when you saw him?
Mr. GUINYARD. I guess he was about 10 feet from me--maybe.
Mr. BALL. About 10 feet?
Mr. GUINYARD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Mr. Callaway has told us and we measured it with a tape
measure, that Oswald was on the west side of the street, and we
measured it and he figured it was about 55 feet from him when he passed.
Mr. GUINYARD. Well, he crossed over after he crossed the driveway.