Mr. STERN. Yes, this was----

Mr. OLDS. This was right at midnight, I think, when Oswald was brought

in.

Mr. STERN. Brought in where?

Mr. OLDS. This was a squadroom and I am not sure what the term is.

It is in the basement of the police station. That was being used as

a pressroom. I believe it is some sort of a classroom or something

of that sort. He was brought in there. I suppose a hundred reporters

standing around on tables, and I understand Ruby was there at the time,

too, up near the front.

Mr. STERN. You don't know that, though?

Mr. OLDS. I don't remember seeing him.

Mr. STERN. Do you know Ruby?

Mr. OLDS. No; I don't. No; I remember someone saying what he was

supposed to have said when--and helped somebody answer a question.

I forget what it was, and Oswald came in, and he was there about 5

minutes----

Mr. STERN. Were you permitted to enter this room without displaying any

identification?

Mr. OLDS. Yes; I wasn't stopped at all. Nobody seemed to pay--it was

pretty well confused around there, and nobody questioned me at all.

Mr. STERN. Would you have been known to the police as a newspaperman?

Mr. OLDS. I had never been in the police building. No one had any way

of knowing who I was, or what my business was.

Mr. STERN. Did you have to identify yourself to get into this building

to begin with?

Mr. OLDS. No; no problem getting into the building. No one in the

lobby, and I don't believe there was anyone at all until you get up to

the third or fourth floor where the police department section of the

building begins.

Mr. STERN. What were the conditions of this room and the scene?

Mr. OLDS. Well, you mean the room where the press conference was

held, where Oswald came in? It was very noisy, and when Oswald came

in it was very confusing. The reporters were yelling at each other to

get out of the way, and they were, the photographers were having a

very bad time with it, and people kept crowding toward the front and

standing on tables so that they could see and hear and Oswald was there

such a brief time, and was not able to be heard beyond the first row

of reporters who were circled around him. Thereafter reporters were

interviewing reporters who were on the front row to see what had been

said, and some sort of confusion existed, and enough of--oh, probably

50 reporters standing around there, and it was a very confusing

situation it seemed. And Oswald had to be brought through the hall on

his way from the interrogation room to his cell, so, he couldn't avoid

being seen, and it was at this time that he was making the statements

that were being quoted.

Mr. STERN. Did you observe this?

Mr. OLDS. No; I didn't. I saw this on television, but I could imagine

it from that.

Mr. STERN. How did he look to you when he was at this press conference?

Mr. OLDS. He looked remarkably composed and determined. He had a--I

remarked afterwards that I would have been very much distraught, and

he seemed very well self-contained and determined and maintained his

innocence. I heard that, and beyond that scratch above--on his forehead

and the eye that was swollen and the little--he looked all right.

He looked a little tired, of course, and I think his clothes were

dirty, but he looked remarkably in good shape, I thought.

Mr. STERN. Did this give you any further assurance that--about the

right to counsel question?

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