And this very thing (continues _Carneades_) may serve to take away or

lessen your Wonder, that just so many Bodies as five should be found

upon the Resolution of Concretes. For since we find not that the fire

can make any such _Analysis_ (into five Elements) of Metals and other

Mineral Bodies, whose Texture is more strong and permanent, it remains

that the Five Substances under consideration be Obtain'd from

Vegetable and Animal Bodies, which (probably by reason of their looser

Contexture) are capable of being Distill'd. And as to such Bodies,

'tis natural enough, that, whether we suppose that there are, or are

not, precisely five Elements, there should ordinarily occurr in the

Dissipated parts a five Fold Diversity of Scheme (if I may so speak.)

For if the Parts do not remain all fix'd, as in Gold, Calcin'd Talck,

&c. nor all ascend, as in the Sublimation of Brimstone, Camphire, &c.

but after their Dissipation do associate themselves into new Schemes

of Matter; it is very likely, that they will by the Fire be divided

into fix'd and Volatile (I mean, in Reference to that degree of heat

by which they are destill'd) and those Volatile parts will, for the

most part, ascend either in a dry forme, which Chymists are pleas'd to

call, if they be Tastless, Flowers; if Sapid, Volatile Salt; or in a

Liquid Forme. And this Liquor must be either inflamable, and so pass

for oyl, or not inflamable, and yet subtile and pungent, which may be

call'd Spirit; or else strengthless or insipid, which may be nam'd

Phlegme, or Water. And as for the fixt part, or _Caput Mortuum_, it

will most commonly consist of Corpuscles, partly Soluble in Water, or

Sapid, (especially if the Saline parts were not so Volatile, as to fly

away before) which make up its fixt salt; and partly insoluble and

insipid, which therefore seems to challenge the name of Earth. But

although upon this ground one might easily enough have foretold, that

the differing substances obtain'd from a perfectly mixt Body by the

Fire would for the most part be reducible to the five newly mentioned

States of Matter; yet it will not presently follow, that these five

Distinct substances were simple and primogeneal bodies, so

pre-existent in the Concrete that the fire does but take them asunder.

Besides that it does not appear, that all Mixt Bodies, (witness,

Gold, Silver, Mercury, &c.) Nay nor perhaps all Vegetables, which may

appear by what we said above of _Camphire_, _Benzoin_, &c. are

resoluble by Fire into just such differing Schemes of Matter. Nor will

the Experiments formerly alledg'd permit us to look upon these

separated Substances as Elementary, or uncompounded. Neither will it

be a sufficient Argument of their being Bodies that deserve the Names

which Chymists are pleas'd to give them, that they have an Analogy in

point of Consistence, or either Volatility or Fixtness, or else some

other obvious Quality, with the suppos'd Principles, whose names are

ascrib'd to them. For, as I told you above, notwithstanding this

Resemblance in some one Quality, there may be such a Disparity in

others, as may be more fit to give them Differing Appellations, then

the Resemblance is to give them one and the same. And indeed it seems

but somewhat a gross Way of judging of the Nature of Bodies, to

conclude without Scruple, that those must be of the same Nature that

agree in some such General Quality, as Fluidity, Dryness, Volatility,

and the like: since each of those Qualities, or States of Matter, may

Comprehend a great Variety of Bodies, otherwise of a very differing

Nature; as we may see in the Calxes of Gold, of Vitriol, and of

Venetian Talck, compar'd with common Ashes, which yet are very dry,

and fix'd by the vehemence of the Fire, as well as they. And as we may

likewise gather from what I have formerly Observ'd, touching the

Spirit of Box-Wood, which though a Volatile, Sapid, and not inflamable

Liquor, as well as the Spirits of Harts-horn, of Blood and others,

(and therefore has been hitherto call'd, the Spirit, and esteem'd for

one of the Principles of the Wood that affords it;) may yet, as I told

You, be subdivided into two Liquors, differing from one another, and

one of them at least, from the Generality of other Chymical Spirits.

But you may your self, if you please, (pursues _Carneades_)

accommodate to the _Hypothesis_ you propos'd what other particulars

you shall think applicable to it, in the foregoing Discourse. For I

think it unseasonable for me to meddle now any further with a

Controversie, which since it does not now belong to me, Leaves me at

Liberty to Take my Own time to Declare my Self about it.

_Eleutherius_ perceiving that _Carneades_ was somewhat unwilling to

spend any more time upon the debate of this Opinion, and having

perhaps some thoughts of taking hence a Rise to make him Discourse it

more fully another time, thought not fit as then to make any further

mention to him of the propos'd opinion, but told him;

I presume I need not mind you, _Carneades_, That both the Patrons of

the ternary number of Principles, and those that would have five

Elements, endeavour to back their experiments with a specious Reason

or two; and especially some of those Embracers of the Opinion last

nam'd (whom I have convers'd with, and found them Learned men) assigne

this Reason of the necessity of five distinct Elements; that otherwise

mixt Bodies could not be so compounded and temper'd as to obtain a due

consistence and competent Duration. For Salt (say they) is the

_Basis_ of Solidity; and Permanency in Compound Bodies, without which

the other four Elements might indeed be variously and loosly blended

together, but would remain incompacted; but that Salt might be

dissolv'd into minute Parts, and convey'd to the other Substances to

be compacted by it, and with it, there is a Necessity of Water. And

that the mixture may not be too hard and brittle, a Sulphureous or

Oyly Principle must intervene to make the mass more tenacious; to this

a Mercurial spirit must be superadded; which by its activity may for a

while premeate [Transcriber's Note: permeate], and as it were leaven

the whole Mass, and thereby promote the more exquisite mixture and

incorporation of the Ingredients. To all which (lastly) a portion of

Earth must be added, which by its drinesse and poracity [Errata:

porosity] may soak up part of that water wherein the Salt was

dissolv'd, and eminently concurr with the other ingredients to give

the whole body the requisite consistence.

I perceive (sayes _Carneades_ smiling) that if it be true, as 'twas

lately rooted [Errata: noted] from the Proverb, _That good Wits have

bad Memories_, You have that Title, as well as a better, to a place

among the good Wits. For you have already more then once forgot, that

I declar'd to you that I would at this Conference Examine only the

Experiments of my Adversaries, not their Speculative Reasons. Yet 'tis

not (Subjoynes _Carneades_) for fear of medling with the Argument you

have propos'd, that I decline the examining it at present. For if when

we are more at leasure, you shall have a mind that we may Solemnly

consider of it together; I am confident we shall scarce find it

insoluble. And in the mean time we may observe, that such a way of

Arguing may, it seems, be speciously accommodated to differing

_Hypotheses_. For I find that _Beguinus_, and other Assertors of the

_Tria Prima_, pretend to make out by such a way, the requisiteness of

their Salt, Sulphur and Mercury, to constitute mixt Bodies, without

taking notice of any necessity of an Addition of Water and Earth.

And indeed neither sort of Chymists seem to have duly consider'd how

great Variety there is in the Textures and Consistences of Compound

Bodie; sand [Errata: Bodies; and] how little the consistence and

Duration of many of them seem to accommodate and be explicable by the

propos'd Notion. And not to mention those almost incorruptible

Substances obtainable by the Fire, which I have prov'd to be somewhat

compounded, and which the Chymists will readily grant not to be

perfectly mixt Bodies: (Not to mention these, I say) If you will but

recall to mind some of those Experiments, whereby I shew'd You that

out of common Water only mixt Bodies (and even living ones) of very

differing consistences, and resoluble by Fire into as many Principles

as other bodies acknowledg'd to be perfectly mixt; if you do this, I

say, you will not, I suppose, be averse from beleeving, that Nature by

a convenient disposition of the minute parts of a portion of matter

may contrive bodies durable enough, and of this, or that, or the other

Consistence, without being oblig'd to make use of all, much less of

any Determinate quantity of each of the five Elements, or of the three

Principles to compound such bodies of. And I have (pursues

_Carneades_) something wonder'd, Chymists should not consider, that

there is scarce any body in Nature so permanent and indissoluble as

Glass; which yet themselves teach us may be made of bare Ashes,

brought to fusion by the meer Violence of the Fire; so that, since

Ashes are granted to consist but of pure Salt and simple Earth,

sequestred from all the other Principles or Elements, they must

acknowledge, That even Art it self can of two Elements only, or, if

you please, one Principle and one Element, compound a Body more

durable then almost any in the World. Which being undeniable, how will

they prove that Nature cannot compound Mixt Bodies, and even durable

Ones, under all the five Elements or material Principles.

But to insist any longer on this Occasional Disquisition, Touching

their Opinion that would Establish five Elements, were to remember as

little as You did before, that the Debate of this matter is no part of

my first undertaking; and consequently, that I have already spent time

enough in what I look back upon but as a digression, or at best an

Excursion.

And thus, _Eleutherius_, (sayes _Carneades_) having at length gone

through the four Considerations I propos'd to Discourse unto you, I

hold it not unfit, for fear my having insisted so long on each of them

may have made you forget their _Series_, briefly to repeat them by

telling you, that

Since, in the first place, it may justly be doubted whether or no the

Fire be, as Chymists suppose it, the genuine and Universal Resolver of

mixt Bodies;

Since we may doubt, in the next place, whether or no all the Distinct

Substances that may be obtain'd from a mixt body by the Fire were

pre-existent there in the formes in which they were separated from it;

Since also, though we should grant the Substances separable from mixt

Bodies by the fire to have been their component Ingredients, yet the

Number of such substances does not appear the same in all mixt Bodies;

some of them being Resoluble into more differing substances than

three, and Others not being Resoluble into so many as three.

And Since, Lastly, those very substances that are thus separated are

not for the most part pure and Elementary bodies, but new kinds of

mixts;

Since, I say, these things are so, I hope you will allow me to inferr,

that the Vulgar Experiments (I might perchance have Added, the

Arguments too) wont to be Alledg'd by Chymists to prove, that their

three Hypostatical Principles do adequately compose all mixt Bodies,

are not so demonstrative as to reduce a wary Person to acquiesce in

their Doctrine, which, till they Explain and prove it better, will by

its perplexing darkness be more apt to puzzle then satisfy considering

men, and will to them appear incumbred with no small Difficulties.

And from what has been hitherto deduc'd (continues _Carneades_) we may

Learn, what to Judge of the common Practice of those Chymists, who

because they have found that Diverse compound Bodies (for it will not

hold in All) can be resolv'd into, or rather can be brought to afford

two or three differing Substances more then the Soot and Ashes,

whereinto the naked fire commonly divides them in our Chymnies, cry up

their own Sect for the Invention of a New Philosophy, some of them, as

_Helmont, &c._ styling themselves Philosophers by the Fire; and the

most part not only ascribing, but as far as in them lies, engrossing

to those of their Sect the Title of PHILOSOPHERS.

But alas, how narrow is this Philosophy, that reaches but to some of

those compound Bodies, which we find but upon, or in the crust or

outside of our terrestrial Globe, which is it self but a point in

comparison of the vast extended Universe, of whose other and greater

parts the Doctrine of the _Tria Prima_ does not give us an Account!

For what does it teach us, either of the Nature of the Sun, which

Astronomers affirme to be eight-score and odd times bigger then the

whole Earth? or of that of those numerous fixt Starrs, which, for

ought we know, would very few, if any of them, appear inferiour in

bulke and brightness to the Sun, if they were as neer us as He? What

does the knowing that Salt, sulphur and Mercury, are the Principles of

Mixt Bodies, informe us of the Nature of that vast, fluid, and

AEtherial Substance, that seemes to make up the interstellar, and

consequently much the greatest part of the World? for as for the

opinion commonly ascrib'd to _Paracelsus_, as if he would have not

only the four Peripatetick Elements, but even the Celestial parts of

the Universe to consist of his three Principles, since the modern

Chymists themselves have not thought so groundless a conceit worth

their owning, I shall not think it Worth my confuting.

But I should perchance forgive the Hypothesis I have been all this

while examining, if, though it reaches but to a very little part of

the World, it did at least give us a satisfactory account of those

things to which 'tis said to reach. But I find not, that it gives us

any other then a very imperfect information even about mixt Bodies

themselves: For how will the knowledge of the _Tria Prima_ discover to

us the Reason, why the Loadstone drawes a Needle and disposes it to

respect the Poles, and yet seldom precisely points at them? how will

this Hypothesis teach Us how a Chick is formed in the Egge, or how the

Seminal Principles of Mint, Pompions, and other Vegitables, that I

mention'd to You above, can fashion Water into Various Plants, each of

them endow'd with its peculiar and determinate shape, and with divers

specifick and discriminating Qualities? How does this Hypothesis shew

us, how much Salt, how much Sulphur, and how much Mercury must be

taken to make a Chick or a Pompion? and if We know that, what

Principle is it, that manages these Ingredients, and contrives (for

instance) such Liquors as the White and Yelk of an Egge into such a

variety of Textures as is requisite to fashion the Bones, Veines,

Arteries, Nerves, Tendons, Feathers, Blood, and other parts of a

Chick; and not only to fashion each Limbe, but to connect them

altogether, after that manner that is most congruous to the perfection

of the Animal which is to Consist of Them? For to say, that some more

fine and subtile part of either or all the Hypostatical Principles is

the Director in all this business, and the Architect of all this

Elaborate structure, is to give one occasion to demand again, what

proportion and way of mixture of the _Tria Prima_ afforded this

_Architectonick_ Spirit, and what Agent made so skilful and happy a

mixture? And the Answer to this Question, if the Chymists will keep

themselves within their three Principles, will be lyable to the same

Inconvenience, that the Answer to the former was. And if it were not

to intrench upon the Theame of a Friend of ours here present, I could

easily prosecute the Imperfections of the Vulgar Chymists Philosophy,

and shew you, that by going about to explicate by their three

Principles, I say not, all the abstruse Properties of mixt Bodies, but

even such Obvious and more familiar _Phaenomena_ as _Fluidity_ and

_Firmness_, The Colours and Figures of Stones, Minerals, and other

compound Bodies, The Nutrition of either Plants or Animals, the

Gravity of Gold or Quicksilver compar'd with Wine or Spirit of Wine;

By attempting, I say, to render a reason of these (to omit a thousand

others as difficult to account for) from any proportion of the three

simple Ingredients, Chymists will be much more likely to discredit

themselves and their _Hypothesis_, then satisfy an intelligent

Inquirer after Truth.

But (interposes _Eleutherus_) [Transcriber's Note: Eleutherius] This

Objection seems no more then may be made against the four Peripatetick

Elements. And indeed almost against any other _Hypothesis_, that

pretends by any Determinate Number of Material Ingredients to render a

reason of the _Phaenomena_ of Nature. And as for the use of the

Chymical Doctrine of the three Principles, I suppose you need not be

told by me, that The great Champion of it, The Learned _Sennertus_,[23]

assignes this noble use of the _Tria Prima_, That from Them, as the

neerest and most Proper Principles, may be Deduc'd and Demonstrated

the Properties which are in Mixt Bodies, and which cannot be

Proximately (as They speak) deduc'd from the Elements. And This, sayes

he, is chiefly Apparent, when we Inquire into the Properties and

Faculties of Medecines. And I know (continues _Eleutherius_) That the

Person You have assum'd, of an Opponent of the _Hermetick Doctrine_,

will not so far prevaile against your Native and wonted Equity, as To

keep You from acknowledging that Philosophy is much beholden to the

Notions and Discoveries of Chymists.

[Footnote 23: _Senn. de Cons. & Dissen. p. 165._]

If the Chymists You speak of (Replyes _Carneades_) had been so modest,

or so Discreet, as to propose their Opinion of the _Tria Prima_, but

as a Notion useful among Others, to increase Humane knowledge, they

had deserv'd more of our thanks; and less of our Opposition; but since

the Thing that they pretend is not so much to contribute a Notion

toward the Improvement of Philosophy, as to make this Notion attended

[Errata: (attended] by a few lesse considerable ones) pass for a New

Philosophy itself. Nay, since they boast so much of this phancie of

theirs, that the famous _Quercetanus_ scruples not to write, that if

his most certain Doctrine of the three Principles were sufficiently

Learned, Examin'd, and Cultivated, it would easily Dispel all the

Darkness that benights our minds, and bring in a Clear Light, that

would remove all Difficulties. This School affording Theorems and

Axiomes irrefragable, and to be admitted without Dispute by impartial

Judges; and so useful withal, as to exempt us from the necessity of

having recourse, for want of the knowledg of causes, to that Sanctuary

of the igorant [Transcriber's Note: ignorant], Occult Qualities;

since, I say, this Domestick Notion of the Chymists is so much

overvalued by them, I cannot think it unfit, they should be made

sensible of their mistake; and be admonish'd to take in more fruitful

and comprehensive Principles, if they mean to give us an account of

the _Phaenomena_ of Nature; and not confine themselves and (as far as

they can) others to such narrow Principles, as I fear will scarce

inable them to give an account (I mean an intelligible one) of the

tenth part (I say not) of all the _Phaenomena_ of Nature; but even of

all such as by the _Leucippian_ or some of the other sorts of

Principles may be plausibly enough explicated. And though I be not

unwilling to grant, that the incompetency I impute to the Chymical

_Hypothesis_ is but the same which may be Objected against that of the

four Elements, and divers other Doctrines that have been maintain'd by

Learned men; yet since 'tis the Chymical _Hypothesis_ only which I am

now examining, I see not why, if what I impute to it be a real

inconvenience, either it should cease to be so, or I should scruple to

object it, because either Theories are lyable thereunto, as well as

the Hermetical. For I know not why a Truth should be thought lesse a

Truth for the being fit to overthrow variety of Errors.

I am oblig'd to You (continues _Carneades_, a little smiling) for the

favourable Opinion You are pleas'd to express of my Equity, if there

be no design in it. But I need not be tempted by an Artifice, or

invited by a Complement, to acknowledge the great service that the

Labours of Chymists have done the Lovers of useful Learning; nor even

on this occasion shall their Arrogance hinder my Gratitude. But since

we are as well examining to [Errata: delete "to"] the truth of their

Doctrine as the merit of their industry, I must in order to the

investigation of the first, continue a reply, to talk at the rate of

the part I have assum'd; And tell you, that when I acknowledg the

usefulness of the Labours of _Spagyrists_ to Natural Philosophy, I do

it upon the score of their experiments, not upon that of Their

Speculations; for it seems to me, that their Writings, as their

Furnaces, afford as well smoke as light; and do little lesse obscure

some subjects, then they illustrate others. And though I am unwilling

to deny, that 'tis difficult for a man to be an Accomplisht

Naturalist, that is a stranger to Chymistry, yet I look upon the

common Operations and practices of Chymists, almost as I do on the

Letters of the Alphabet, without whose knowledge 'tis very hard for a

man to become a Philosopher; and yet that knowledge is very far from

being sufficient to make him One.

But (sayes _Carneades_, resuming a more serious Look) to consider a

little more particularly what you alledg in favour of the Chymical

Doctrine of the _Tria Prima_, though I shall readily acknowledge it

not to be unuseful, and that the Divisers [Errata: devisers] and

Embracers of it have done the Common-Wealth of Learning some service,

by helping to destroy that excessive esteem, or rather veneration,

wherewith the Doctrine of the four Elements was almost as generally as

undeservedly entertain'd; yet what has been alledg'd concerning the

usefulness of the _Tria Prima_, seems to me liable to no contemptible

Difficulties.

And first, as for the very way of Probation, which the more Learned

and more Sober Champions of the Chymical cause employ to evince the

Chymical Principles in Mixt Bodies, it seems to me to be farr enough

from being convincing. This grand and leading Argument, your

_Sennertus_ Himself, who layes Great weight upon it, and tells us,

that the most Learned Philosophers employ this way of Reasoning to

prove the most important things, proposes thus: _Ubicunque_ (sayes he)

_pluribus eaedem affectiones & qualitates insunt, per commune quoddam

Principium insint necesse est, sicut omnia sunt Gravia propter terram,

calida propter Ignem. At Colores, Odores, Sapores, esse_ [Greek:

phlogiston] _& similia alia, mineralibus, Metallis, Gemmis, Lapidibus,

Plantis, Animalibus insunt. Ergo per commune aliquod principium, &

subiectum, insunt. At tale principium non sunt Elementa. Nullam enim

habent ad tales qualitates producendas potentiam. Ergo alia principia,

unde fluant, inquirenda sunt._

The Sceptical Chymist or Chymico-Physical Doubts & Paradoxes, Touching the Spagyrist's Principles Commonly call'd Hypostatical; As they are wont to be Propos'd and Defended by the Generality of Alchymists. Whereunto is præmis'd Part of another Discourse relating to the same Subject. · 第 14 / 20 段