The Secretary read the resolution, as follows:--

"_Resolved_, That the Committee on Public Lands be instructed to

inquire and report the quantity of public lands remaining unsold

within each State and Territory, and whether it be expedient to

limit for a certain period the sales of the public lands to such

lands only as have heretofore been offered for sale, and are now

subject to entry at the minimum price. And, also, whether the

office of Surveyor-General, and some of the land offices, may not

be abolished without detriment to the public interest; or whether

it be expedient to adopt measures to hasten the sales and extend

more rapidly the surveys of the public lands."

We have thus heard, Sir, what the resolution is which is actually before

us for consideration; and it will readily occur to every one, that it is

almost the only subject about which something has not been said in the

speech, running through two days, by which the Senate has been

entertained by the gentleman from South Carolina. Every topic in the

wide range of our public affairs, whether past or present,--every thing,

general or local, whether belonging to national politics or party

politics,--seems to have attracted more or less of the honorable

member's attention, save only the resolution before the Senate. He has

spoken of every thing but the public lands; they have escaped his

notice. To that subject, in all his excursions, he has not paid even the

cold respect of a passing glance.

When this debate, Sir, was to be resumed, on Thursday morning, it so

happened that it would have been convenient for me to be elsewhere. The

honorable member, however, did not incline to put off the discussion to

another day. He had a shot, he said, to return, and he wished to

discharge it. That shot, Sir, which he thus kindly informed us was

coming, that we might stand out of the way, or prepare ourselves to fall

by it and die with decency, has now been received. Under all advantages,

and with expectation awakened by the tone which preceded it, it has been

discharged, and has spent its force. It may become me to say no more of

its effect, than that, if nobody is found, after all, either killed or

wounded, it is not the first time, in the history of human affairs, that

the vigor and success of the war have not quite come up to the lofty and

sounding phrase of the manifesto.

The gentleman, Sir, in declining to postpone the debate, told the

Senate, with the emphasis of his hand upon his heart, that there was

something rankling _here_, which he wished to relieve. [Mr. Hayne rose,

and disclaimed having used the word _rankling_.] It would not, Mr.

President, be safe for the honorable member to appeal to those around

him, upon the question whether he did in fact make use of that word. But

he may have been unconscious of it. At any rate, it is enough that he

disclaims it. But still, with or without the use of that particular

word, he had yet something _here_, he said, of which he wished to rid

himself by an immediate reply. In this respect, Sir, I have a great

advantage over the honorable gentleman. There is nothing _here_, Sir,

which gives me the slightest uneasiness; neither fear, nor anger, nor

that which is sometimes more troublesome than either, the consciousness

of having been in the wrong. There is nothing, either originating

_here_, or now received _here_ by the gentleman's shot. Nothing

originating here, for I had not the slightest feeling of unkindness

towards the honorable member. Some passages, it is true, had occurred

since our acquaintance in this body, which I could have wished might

have been otherwise; but I had used philosophy and forgotten them. I

paid the honorable member the attention of listening with respect to his

first speech; and when he sat down, though surprised, and I must even

say astonished, at some of his opinions, nothing was farther from my

intention than to commence any personal warfare. Through the whole of

the few remarks I made in answer, I avoided, studiously and carefully,

every thing which I thought possible to be construed into disrespect.

And, Sir, while there is thus nothing originating _here_ which I have

wished at any time, or now wish, to discharge, I must repeat, also, that

nothing has been received _here_ which _rankles_, or in any way gives me

annoyance. I will not accuse the honorable member of violating the rules

of civilized war; I will not say, that he poisoned his arrows. But

whether his shafts were, or were not, dipped in that which would have

caused rankling if they had reached their destination, there was not, as

it happened, quite strength enough in the bow to bring them to their

mark. If he wishes now to gather up those shafts, he must look for them

elsewhere; they will not be found fixed and quivering in the object at

which they were aimed.

The honorable member complained that I had slept on his speech. I must

have slept on it, or not slept at all. The moment the honorable member

sat down, his friend from Missouri rose, and, with much honeyed

commendation of the speech, suggested that the impressions which it had

produced were too charming and delightful to be disturbed by other

sentiments or other sounds, and proposed that the Senate should adjourn.

Would it have been quite amiable in me, Sir, to interrupt this excellent

good feeling? Must I not have been absolutely malicious, if I could have

thrust myself forward, to destroy sensations thus pleasing? Was it not

much better and kinder, both to sleep upon them myself, and to allow

others also the pleasure of sleeping upon them? But if it be meant, by

sleeping upon his speech, that I took time to prepare a reply to it, it

is quite a mistake. Owing to other engagements, I could not employ even

the interval between the adjournment of the Senate and its meeting the

next morning, in attention to the subject of this debate. Nevertheless,

Sir, the mere matter of fact is undoubtedly true. I did sleep on the

gentleman's speech, and slept soundly. And I slept equally well on his

speech of yesterday, to which I am now replying. It is quite possible

that in this respect, also, I possess some advantage over the honorable

member, attributable, doubtless, to a cooler temperament on my part;

for, in truth, I slept upon his speeches remarkably well.

But the gentleman inquires why _he_ was made the object of such a reply.

Why was _he_ singled out? If an attack has been made on the East, he, he

assures us, did not begin it; it was made by the gentleman from

Missouri. Sir, I answered the gentleman's speech because I happened to

hear it; and because, also, I chose to give an answer to that speech,

which, if unanswered, I thought most likely to produce injurious

impressions. I did not stop to inquire who was the original drawer of

the bill. I found a responsible indorser before me, and it was my

purpose to hold him liable, and to bring him to his just responsibility,

without delay. But, Sir, this interrogatory of the honorable member was

only introductory to another. He proceeded to ask me whether I had

turned upon him, in this debate, from the consciousness that I should

find an overmatch, if I ventured on a contest with his friend from

Missouri. If, Sir, the honorable member, _modestiae gratia_, had chosen

thus to defer to his friend, and to pay him a compliment, without

intentional disparagement to others, it would have been quite according

to the friendly courtesies of debate, and not at all ungrateful to my

own feelings. I am not one of those, Sir, who esteem any tribute of

regard, whether light and occasional, or more serious and deliberate,

which may be bestowed on others, as so much unjustly withholden from

themselves. But the tone and manner of the gentleman's question forbid

me thus to interpret it. I am not at liberty to consider it as nothing

more than a civility to his friend. It had an air of taunt and

disparagement, something of the loftiness of asserted superiority, which

does not allow me to pass it over without notice. It was put as a

question for me to answer, and so put as if it were difficult for me to

answer, whether I deemed the member from Missouri an overmatch for

myself in debate here. It seems to me, Sir, that this is extraordinary

language, and an extraordinary tone, for the discussions of this body.

Matches and overmatches! Those terms are more applicable elsewhere than

here, and fitter for other assemblies than this. Sir, the gentleman

seems to forget where and what we are. This is a Senate, a Senate of

equals, of men of individual honor and personal character, and of

absolute independence. We know no masters, we acknowledge no dictators.

This is a hall for mutual consultation and discussion; not an arena for

the exhibition of champions. I offer myself, Sir, as a match for no man;

I throw the challenge of debate at no man's feet. But then, Sir, since

the honorable member has put the question in a manner that calls for an

answer, I will give him an answer; and I tell him, that, holding myself

to be the humblest of the members here, I yet know nothing in the arm of

his friend from Missouri, either alone or when aided by the arm of _his_

friend from South Carolina, that need deter even me from espousing

whatever opinions I may choose to espouse, from debating whenever I may

choose to debate, or from speaking whatever I may see fit to say, on the

floor of the Senate. Sir, when uttered as matter of commendation or

compliment, I should dissent from nothing which the honorable member

might say of his friend. Still less do I put forth any pretensions of my

own. But when put to me as matter of taunt, I throw it back, and say to

the gentleman, that he could possibly say nothing less likely than such

a comparison to wound my pride of personal character. The anger of its

tone rescued the remark from intentional irony, which otherwise,

probably, would have been its general acceptation. But, Sir, if it be

imagined that by this mutual quotation and commendation; if it be

supposed that, by casting the characters of the drama assigning to each

his part, to one the attack, to another the cry of onset; or if it be

thought that, by a loud and empty vaunt of anticipated victory, any

laurels are to be won here; if it be imagined, especially, that any or

all these things will shake any purpose of mine,--I can tell the

honorable member, once for all, that he is greatly mistaken, and that he

is dealing with one of whose temper and character he has yet much to

learn. Sir, I shall not allow myself, on this occasion, I hope on no

occasion, to be betrayed into any loss of temper; but if provoked, as I

trust I never shall be, into crimination and recrimination, the

honorable member may perhaps find, that, in that contest, there will be

blows to take as well as blows to give; that others can state

comparisons as significant, at least, as his own, and that his impunity

may possibly demand of him whatever powers of taunt and sarcasm he may

possess. I commend him to a prudent husbandry of his resources.

But, Sir, the Coalition! The Coalition! Ay, "the murdered Coalition!"

The gentleman asks, if I were led or frighted into this debate by the

spectre of the Coalition. "Was it the ghost of the murdered Coalition,"

he exclaims, "which haunted the member from Massachusetts; and which,

like the ghost of Banquo, would never down?" "The murdered Coalition!"

Sir, this charge of a coalition, in reference to the late

administration, is not original with the honorable member. It did not

spring up in the Senate. Whether as a fact, as an argument, or as an

embellishment, it is all borrowed. He adopts it, indeed, from a very low

origin, and a still lower present condition. It is one of the thousand

calumnies with which the press teemed, during an excited political

canvass. It was a charge, of which there was not only no proof or

probability, but which was in itself wholly impossible to be true. No

man of common information ever believed a syllable of it. Yet it was of

that class of falsehoods, which, by continued repetition, through all

the organs of detraction and abuse, are capable of misleading those who

are already far misled, and of further fanning passion already kindling

into flame. Doubtless it served in its day, and in greater or less

degree, the end designed by it. Having done that, it has sunk into the

general mass of stale and loathed calumnies. It is the very cast-off

slough of a polluted and shameless press. Incapable of further mischief,

it lies in the sewer, lifeless and despised. It is not now, Sir, in the

power of the honorable member to give it dignity or decency, by

attempting to elevate it, and to introduce it into the Senate. He cannot

change it from what it is, an object of general disgust and scorn. On

the contrary, the contact, if he choose to touch it, is more likely to

drag him down, down, to the place where it lies itself.

But, Sir, the honorable member was not, for other reasons, entirely

happy in his allusion to the story of Banquo's murder and Banquo's

ghost. It was not, I think, the friends, but the enemies of the murdered

Banquo, at whose bidding his spirit would not _down_. The honorable

gentleman is fresh in his reading of the English classics, and can put

me right if I am wrong: but, according to my poor recollection, it was

at those who had begun with caresses and ended with foul and treacherous

murder that the gory locks were shaken. The ghost of Banquo, like that

of Hamlet, was an honest ghost. It disturbed no innocent man. It knew

where its appearance would strike terror, and who would cry out, A

ghost! It made itself visible in the right quarter, and compelled the

guilty and the conscience-smitten, and none others, to start, with,

"Pr'ythee, see there! behold!--look! lo,

If I stand here, I saw him!"

THEIR eyeballs were seared (was it not so, Sir?) who had thought to

shield themselves by concealing their own hand, and laying the

imputation of the crime on a low and hireling agency in wickedness; who

had vainly attempted to stifle the workings of their own coward

consciences by ejaculating through white lips and chattering teeth,

"Thou canst not say I did it!" I have misread the great poet if those

who had no way partaken in the deed of the death, either found that they

were, or _feared that they should be_, pushed from their stools by the

ghost of the slain, or exclaimed to a spectre created by their own fears

and their own remorse, "Avaunt! and quit our sight!"

There is another particular, Sir, in which the honorable member's quick

perception of resemblances might, I should think, have seen something in

the story of Banquo, making it not altogether a subject of the most

pleasant contemplation. Those who murdered Banquo, what did they win by

it? Substantial good? Permanent power? Or disappointment, rather, and

sore mortification,--dust and ashes, the common fate of vaulting

ambition overleaping itself? Did not even-handed justice erelong commend

the poisoned chalice to their own lips? Did they not soon find that for

another they had "filed their mind"? that their ambition, though

apparently for the moment successful, had but put a barren sceptre in

their grasp? Ay, Sir,

"a barren sceptre in their gripe,

_Thence to be wrenched with an unlineal hand,

No son of theirs succeeding_."

Sir, I need pursue the allusion no farther. I leave the honorable

gentleman to run it out at his leisure, and to derive from it all the

gratification it is calculated to administer. If he finds himself

pleased with the associations, and prepared to be quite satisfied,

though the parallel should be entirely completed, I had almost said, I

am satisfied also; but that I shall think of. Yes, Sir, I will think of

that.

In the course of my observations the other day, Mr. President, I paid a

passing tribute of respect to a very worthy man, Mr. Dane of

Massachusetts. It so happened that he drew the Ordinance of 1787, for

the government of the Northwestern Territory. A man of so much ability,

and so little pretence; of so great a capacity to do good, and so

unmixed a disposition to do it for its own sake; a gentleman who had

acted an important part, forty years ago, in a measure the influence of

which is still deeply felt in the very matter which was the subject of

debate,--might, I thought, receive from me a commendatory recognition.

But the honorable member was inclined to be facetious on the subject. He

was rather disposed to make it matter of ridicule, that I had introduced

into the debate the name of one Nathan Dane, of whom he assures us he

had never before heard. Sir, if the honorable member had never before

heard of Mr. Dane, I am sorry for it. It shows him less acquainted with

the public men of the country than I had supposed. Let me tell him,

however, that a sneer from him at the mention of the name of Mr. Dane is

in bad taste. It may well be a high mark of ambition, Sir, either with

the honorable gentleman or myself, to accomplish as much to make our

names known to advantage, and remembered with gratitude, as Mr. Dane has

accomplished. But the truth is, Sir, I suspect, that Mr. Dane lives a

little too far north. He is of Massachusetts, and too near the north

star to be reached by the honorable gentleman's telescope. If his sphere

had happened to range south of Mason and Dixon's line, he might,

probably, have come within the scope of his vision.

I spoke, Sir, of the Ordinance of 1787, which prohibits slavery, in all

future times, northwest of the Ohio, as a measure of great wisdom and

foresight, and one which had been attended with highly beneficial and

permanent consequences. I supposed that, on this point, no two gentlemen

in the Senate could entertain different opinions. But the simple

expression of this sentiment has led the gentleman, not only into a

labored defence of slavery, in the abstract, and on principle, but also

into a warm accusation against me, as having attacked the system of

domestic slavery now existing in the Southern States. For all this,

there was not the slightest foundation, in any thing said or intimated

by me. I did not utter a single word which any ingenuity could torture

into an attack on the slavery of the South. I said, only, that it was

highly wise and useful, in legislating for the Northwestern country

while it was yet a wilderness, to prohibit the introduction of slaves;

and I added, that I presumed there was no reflecting and intelligent

person, in the neighboring State of Kentucky, who would doubt that, if

the same prohibition had been extended, at the same early period, over

that commonwealth, her strength and population would, at this day, have

been far greater than they are. If these opinions be thought doubtful,

they are nevertheless, I trust, neither extraordinary nor disrespectful.

They attack nobody and menace nobody. And yet, Sir, the gentleman's

optics have discovered, even in the mere expression of this sentiment,

what he calls the very spirit of the Missouri question! He represents me

as making an onset on the whole South, and manifesting a spirit which

would interfere with, and disturb, their domestic condition!

Sir, this injustice no otherwise surprises me, than as it is committed

here, and committed without the slightest pretence of ground for it. I

say it only surprises me as being done here; for I know full well, that

it is, and has been, the settled policy of some persons in the South,

for years, to represent the people of the North as disposed to interfere

with them in their own exclusive and peculiar concerns. This is a

delicate and sensitive point in Southern feeling; and of late years it

has always been touched, and generally with effect, whenever the object

has been to unite the whole South against Northern men or Northern

measures. This feeling, always carefully kept alive, and maintained at

too intense a heat to admit discrimination or reflection, is a lever of

great power in our political machine. It moves vast bodies, and gives to

them one and the same direction. But it is without adequate cause, and

the suspicion which exists is wholly groundless. There is not, and never

has been, a disposition in the North to interfere with these interests

of the South. Such interference has never been supposed to be within the

power of government; nor has it been in any way attempted. The slavery

of the South has always been regarded as a matter of domestic policy,

left with the States themselves, and with which the Federal government

had nothing to do. Certainly, Sir, I am, and ever have been, of that

opinion. The gentleman, indeed, argues that slavery, in the abstract, is

no evil. Most assuredly I need not say I differ with him, altogether and

most widely, on that point. I regard domestic slavery as one of the

greatest evils, both moral and political. But whether it be a malady,

and whether it be curable, and if so, by what means; or, on the other

hand, whether it be the _vulnus immedicabile_ of the social system, I

leave it to those whose right and duty it is to inquire and to decide.

And this I believe, Sir, is, and uniformly has been, the sentiment of

the North. Let us look a little at the history of this matter.

When the present Constitution was submitted for the ratification of the

people, there were those who imagined that the powers of the government

which it proposed to establish might, in some possible mode, be exerted

in measures tending to the abolition of slavery. This suggestion would

of course attract much attention in the Southern conventions. In that of

Virginia, Governor Randolph said:--

"I hope there is none here, who, considering the subject in the calm

light of philosophy, will make an objection dishonorable to Virginia;

that, at the moment they are securing the rights of their citizens, an

objection is started, that there is a spark of hope that those

unfortunate men now held in bondage may, by the operation of the general

government, be made free."

At the very first Congress, petitions on the subject were presented, if

I mistake not, from different States. The Pennsylvania society for

promoting the abolition of slavery took a lead, and laid before Congress

a memorial, praying Congress to promote the abolition by such powers as

it possessed. This memorial was referred, in the House of

Representatives, to a select committee, consisting of Mr. Foster of New

Hampshire, Mr. Gerry of Massachusetts, Mr. Huntington of Connecticut,

Mr. Lawrence of New York, Mr. Sinnickson of New Jersey, Mr. Hartley of

Pennsylvania, and Mr. Parker of Virginia,--all of them, Sir, as you will

observe, Northern men but the last. This committee made a report, which

was referred to a committee of the whole House, and there considered and

discussed for several days; and being amended, although without material

alteration, it was made to express three distinct propositions, on the

subject of slavery and the slave-trade. First, in the words of the

Constitution, that Congress could not, prior to the year 1808, prohibit

the migration or importation of such persons as any of the States then

existing should think proper to admit; and, secondly, that Congress had

authority to restrain the citizens of the United States from carrying on

the African slave-trade, for the purpose of supplying foreign countries.

On this proposition, our early laws against those who engage in that

traffic are founded. The third proposition, and that which bears on the

present question, was expressed in the following terms:--

"_Resolved_, That Congress have no authority to interfere in the

emancipation of slaves, or in the treatment of them in any of the

States; it remaining with the several States alone to provide rules and

regulations therein which humanity and true policy may require."

This resolution received the sanction of the House of Representatives so

early as March, 1790. And now, Sir, the honorable member will allow me

to remind him, that not only were the select committee who reported the

resolution, with a single exception, all Northern men, but also that, of

the members then composing the House of Representatives, a large

majority, I believe nearly two thirds, were Northern men also.

The House agreed to insert these resolutions in its journal; and from

that day to this it has never been maintained or contended at the North,

that Congress had any authority to regulate or interfere with the

condition of slaves in the several States. No Northern gentleman, to my

knowledge, has moved any such question in either House of Congress.

The fears of the South, whatever fears they might have entertained, were

allayed and quieted by this early decision; and so remained till they

were excited afresh, without cause, but for collateral and indirect

purposes. When it became necessary, or was thought so, by some political

persons, to find an unvarying ground for the exclusion of Northern men

from confidence and from lead in the affairs of the republic, then, and

not till then, the cry was raised, and the feeling industriously

excited, that the influence of Northern men in the public counsels would

endanger the relation of master and slave. For myself, I claim no other

merit than that this gross and enormous injustice towards the whole

North has not wrought upon me to change my opinions or my political

conduct. I hope I am above violating my principles, even under the smart

of injury and false imputations. Unjust suspicions and undeserved

reproach, whatever pain I may experience from them, will not induce me,

I trust, to overstep the limits of constitutional duty, or to encroach

on the rights of others. The domestic slavery of the Southern States I

leave where I find it,--in the hands of their own governments. It is

their affair, not mine. Nor do I complain of the peculiar effect which

the magnitude of that population has had in the distribution of power

under this Federal government. We know, Sir, that the representation of

the States in the other house is not equal. We know that great advantage

in that respect is enjoyed by the slave-holding States; and we know,

too, that the intended equivalent for that advantage, that is to say,

the imposition of direct taxes in the same ratio, has become merely

nominal, the habit of the government being almost invariably to collect

its revenue from other sources and in other modes. Nevertheless, I do

not complain; nor would I countenance any movement to alter this

arrangement of representation. It is the original bargain, the compact;

let it stand; let the advantage of it be fully enjoyed. The Union itself

is too full of benefit to be hazarded in propositions for changing its

original basis. I go for the Constitution as it is, and for the Union as

it is. But I am resolved not to submit in silence to accusations, either

against myself individually or against the North, wholly unfounded and

unjust,--accusations which impute to us a disposition to evade the

constitutional compact, and to extend the power of the government over

the internal laws and domestic condition of the States. All such

accusations, wherever and whenever made, all insinuations of the

existence of any such purposes, I know and feel to be groundless and

injurious. And we must confide in Southern gentlemen themselves; we must

trust to those whose integrity of heart and magnanimity of feeling will

lead them to a desire to maintain and disseminate truth, and who possess

the means of its diffusion with the Southern public; we must leave it to

them to disabuse that public of its prejudices. But in the mean time,

for my own part, I shall continue to act justly, whether those towards

whom justice is exercised receive it with candor or with contumely.

Having had occasion to recur to the Ordinance of 1787, in order to

defend myself against the inferences which the honorable member has

chosen to draw from my former observations on that subject, I am not

willing now entirely to take leave of it without another remark. It need

hardly be said, that that paper expresses just sentiments on the great

subject of civil and religious liberty. Such sentiments were common, and

abound in all our state papers of that day. But this Ordinance did that

which was not so common, and which is not even now universal; that is,

it set forth and declared it to be a high and binding duty of government

itself to support schools and advance the means of education, on the

plain reason that religion, morality, and knowledge are necessary to

good government, and to the happiness of mankind. One observation

further. The important provision incorporated into the Constitution of

the United States, and into several of those of the States, and

recently, as we have seen, adopted into the reformed constitution of

Virginia, restraining legislative power in questions of private right,

and from impairing the obligation of contracts, is first introduced and

established, as far as I am informed, as matter of express written

constitutional law, in this Ordinance of 1787. And I must add, also, in

regard to the author of the Ordinance, who has not had the happiness to

attract the gentleman's notice heretofore, nor to avoid his sarcasm now,

that he was chairman of that select committee of the old Congress, whose

report first expressed the strong sense of that body, that the old

Confederation was not adequate to the exigencies of the country, and

recommended to the States to send delegates to the convention which

formed the present Constitution.

An attempt has been made to transfer from the North to the South the

honor of this exclusion of slavery from the Northwestern Territory. The

journal, without argument or comment, refutes such attempts. The cession

by Virginia was made in March, 1784. On the 19th of April following, a

committee, consisting of Messrs. Jefferson, Chase, and Howell, reported

a plan for a temporary government of the territory, in which was this

article: "That, after the year 1800, there shall be neither slavery nor

involuntary servitude in any of the said States, otherwise than in

punishment of crimes, whereof the party shall have been convicted." Mr.

Spaight of North Carolina moved to strike out this paragraph. The

question was put, according to the form then practised, "Shall these

words stand as a part of the plan?" New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode

Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania, seven

States, voted in the affirmative; Maryland, Virginia, and South

Carolina, in the negative. North Carolina was divided. As the consent of

nine States was necessary, the words could not stand, and were struck

out accordingly. Mr. Jefferson voted for the clause, but was overruled

by his colleagues.

In March of the next year (1785), Mr. King of Massachusetts, seconded by

Mr. Ellery of Rhode Island, proposed the formerly rejected article, with

this addition: "And that this regulation shall be an article of compact,

and remain a fundamental principle of the constitutions between the

thirteen original States, and each of the States described in the

resolve." On this clause, which provided the adequate and thorough

security, the eight Northern States at that time voted affirmatively,

and the four Southern States negatively. The votes of nine States were

not yet obtained, and thus the provision was again rejected by the

Southern States. The perseverance of the North held out, and two years

afterwards the object was attained. It is no derogation from the credit,

whatever that may be, of drawing the Ordinance, that its principles had

before been prepared and discussed, in the form of resolutions. If one

should reason in that way, what would become of the distinguished honor

of the author of the Declaration of Independence? There is not a

sentiment in that paper which had not been voted and resolved in the

assemblies, and other popular bodies in the country, over and over

again.

But the honorable member has now found out that this gentleman, Mr.

Dane, was a member of the Hartford Convention. However uninformed the

honorable member may be of characters and occurrences at the North, it

would seem that he has at his elbow, on this occasion, some high-minded

and lofty spirit, some magnanimous and true-hearted monitor, possessing

the means of local knowledge, and ready to supply the honorable member

with every thing, down even to forgotten and moth-eaten two-penny

pamphlets, which may be used to the disadvantage of his own country. But

as to the Hartford Convention, Sir, allow me to say, that the

proceedings of that body seem now to be less read and studied in New

England than farther South. They appear to be looked to, not in New

England, but elsewhere, for the purpose of seeing how far they may serve

as a precedent. But they will not answer the purpose, they are quite too

tame. The latitude in which they originated was too cold. Other

conventions, of more recent existence, have gone a whole bar's length

beyond it. The learned doctors of Colleton and Abbeville have pushed

their commentaries on the Hartford collect so far, that the original

text-writers are thrown entirely into the shade. I have nothing to do,

Sir, with the Hartford Convention. Its journal, which the gentleman has

quoted, I never read. So far as the honorable member may discover in its

proceedings a spirit in any degree resembling that which was avowed and

justified in those other conventions to which I have alluded, or so far

as those proceedings can be shown to be disloyal to the Constitution, or

tending to disunion, so far I shall be as ready as any one to bestow on

them reprehension and censure.

Having dwelt long on this convention, and other occurrences of that day,

in the hope, probably, (which will not be gratified,) that I should

leave the course of this debate to follow him at length in those

excursions, the honorable member returned, and attempted another object.

He referred to a speech of mine in the other house, the same which I had

occasion to allude to myself, the other day; and has quoted a passage or

two from it, with a bold, though uneasy and laboring, air of confidence,

as if he had detected in me an inconsistency. Judging from the

gentleman's manner, a stranger to the course of the debate and to the

point in discussion would have imagined, from so triumphant a tone, that

the honorable member was about to overwhelm me with a manifest

contradiction. Any one who heard him, and who had not heard what I had,

in fact, previously said, must have thought me routed and discomfited,

as the gentleman had promised. Sir, a breath blows all this triumph

away. There is not the slightest difference in the purport of my remarks

on the two occasions. What I said here on Wednesday is in exact

accordance with the opinion expressed by me in the other house in 1825.

Though the gentleman had the metaphysics of Hudibras, though he were

able

"to sever and divide

A hair 'twixt north and northwest side,"

he yet could not insert his metaphysical scissors between the fair

reading of my remarks in 1825, and what I said here last week. There is

not only no contradiction, no difference, but, in truth, too exact a

similarity, both in thought and language, to be entirely in just taste.

I had myself quoted the same speech; had recurred to it, and spoke with

it open before me; and much of what I said was little more than a

repetition from it. In order to make finishing work with this alleged

contradiction, permit me to recur to the origin of this debate, and

review its course. This seems expedient, and may be done as well now as

at any time.

Well, then, its history is this. The honorable member from Connecticut

moved a resolution, which constitutes the first branch of that which is

now before us; that is to say, a resolution, instructing the committee

on public lands to inquire into the expediency of limiting, for a

certain period, the sales of the public lands, to such as have

heretofore been offered for sale; and whether sundry offices connected

with the sales of the lands might not be abolished without detriment to

the public service. In the progress of the discussion which arose on

this resolution, an honorable member from New Hampshire moved to amend

the resolution, so as entirely to reverse its object; that is, to strike

it all out, and insert a direction to the committee to inquire into the

expediency of adopting measures to hasten the sales, and expend more

rapidly the surveys, of the lands.

The honorable member from Maine[1] suggested that both those

propositions might well enough go for consideration to the committee;

and in this state of the question, the member from South Carolina

addressed the Senate in his first speech. He rose, he said, to give us

his own free thoughts on the public lands. I saw him rise with pleasure,

and listened with expectation, though before he concluded I was filled

with surprise. Certainly, I was never more surprised, than to find him

following up, to the extent he did, the sentiments and opinions which

the gentleman from Missouri had put forth, and which it is known he has

long entertained.

I need not repeat at large the general topics of the honorable

gentleman's speech. When he said yesterday that he did not attack the

Eastern States, he certainly must have forgotten, not only particular

remarks, but the whole drift and tenor of his speech; unless he means by

not attacking, that he did not commence hostilities, but that another

had preceded him in the attack. He, in the first place, disapproved of

the whole course of the government, for forty years, in regard to its

disposition of the public lands; and then, turning northward and

eastward, and fancying he had found a cause for alleged narrowness and

niggardliness in the "accursed policy of the tariff", to which he

represented the people of New England as wedded, he went on for a full

hour with remarks, the whole scope of which was to exhibit the results

of this policy, in feelings and in measures unfavorable to the West. I

thought his opinions unfounded and erroneous, as to the general course

of the government, and ventured to reply to them.

The gentleman had remarked on the analogy of other cases, and quoted the

conduct of European governments towards their own subjects settling on

this continent, as in point, to show that we had been harsh and rigid in

selling, when we should have given the public lands to settlers without

price. I thought the honorable member had suffered his judgment to be

betrayed by a false analogy; that he was struck with an appearance of

resemblance where there was no real similitude. I think so still. The

first settlers of North America were enterprising spirits, engaged in

private adventure, or fleeing from tyranny at home. When arrived here,

they were forgotten by the mother country, or remembered only to be

oppressed. Carried away again by the appearance of analogy, or struck

with the eloquence of the passage, the honorable member yesterday

observed, that the conduct of government towards the Western emigrants,

or my representation of it, brought to his mind a celebrated speech in

the British Parliament. It was, Sir, the speech of Colonel Barre. On the

question of the stamp act, or tea tax, I forget which, Colonel Barre had

heard a member on the treasury bench argue, that the people of the

United States, being British colonists, planted by the maternal care,

nourished by the indulgence, and protected by the arms of England, would

not grudge their mite to relieve the mother country from the heavy

burden under which she groaned. The language of Colonel Barre, in reply

to this, was: "They planted by your care? Your oppression planted them

in America. They fled from your tyranny, and grew by your neglect of

them. So soon as you began to care for them, you showed your care by

sending persons to spy out their liberties, misrepresent their

character, prey upon them, and eat out their substance."

And how does the honorable gentleman mean to maintain, that language

like this is applicable to the conduct of the government of the United

States towards the Western emigrants, or to any representation given by

me of that conduct? Were the settlers in the West driven thither by our

oppression? Have they flourished only by our neglect of them? Has the

government done nothing but prey upon them, and eat out their substance?

Sir, this fervid eloquence of the British speaker, just when and where

it was uttered, and fit to remain an exercise for the schools, is not a

little out of place, when it is brought thence to be applied here to the

conduct of our own country towards her own citizens. From America to

England, it may be true; from Americans to their own government, it

would be strange language. Let us leave it, to be recited and declaimed

by our boys against a foreign nation; not introduce it here, to recite

and declaim ourselves against our own.

But I come to the point of the alleged contradiction. In my remarks on

Wednesday, I contended that we could not give away gratuitously all the

public lands; that we held them in trust; that the government had

solemnly pledged itself to dispose of them as a common fund for the

common benefit, and to sell and settle them as its discretion should

dictate. Now, Sir, what contradiction does the gentleman find to this

sentiment in the speech of 1825? He quotes me as having then said, that

we ought not to hug these lands as a very great treasure. Very well,

Sir, supposing me to be accurately reported in that expression, what is

the contradiction? I have not now said, that we should hug these lands

as a favorite source of pecuniary income. No such thing. It is not my

view. What I have said, and what I do say, is, that they are a common

fund, to be disposed of for the common benefit, to be sold at low prices

for the accommodation of settlers, keeping the object of settling the

lands as much in view as that of raising money from them. This I say

now, and this I have always said. Is this hugging them as a favorite

treasure? Is there no difference between hugging and hoarding this fund,

on the one hand, as a great treasure, and, on the other, of disposing of

it at low prices, placing the proceeds in the general treasury of the

Union? My opinion is, that as much is to be made of the land as fairly

and reasonably may be, selling it all the while at such rates as to give

the fullest effect to settlement. This is not giving it all away to the

States, as the gentleman would propose; nor is it hugging the fund

closely and tenaciously, as a favorite treasure; but it is, in my

judgment, a just and wise policy, perfectly according with all the

various duties which rest on government. So much for my contradiction.

And what is it? Where is the ground of the gentleman's triumph? What

inconsistency in word or doctrine has he been able to detect? Sir, if

this be a sample of that discomfiture with which the honorable gentleman

threatened me, commend me to the word _discomfiture_ for the rest of my

life.

But, after all, this is not the point of the debate; and I must now

bring the gentleman back to what is the point.

The real question between me and him is, Has the doctrine been advanced

at the South or the East, that the population of the West should be

retarded, or at least need not be hastened, on account of its effect to

drain off the people from the Atlantic States? Is this doctrine, as has

been alleged, of Eastern origin? That is the question. Has the gentleman

found any thing by which he can make good his accusation? I submit to

the Senate, that he has entirely failed; and, as far as this debate has

shown, the only person who has advanced such sentiments is a gentleman

from South Carolina, and a friend of the honorable member himself. The

honorable gentleman has given no answer to this; there is none which can

be given. The simple fact, while it requires no comment to enforce it,

defies all argument to refute it. I could refer to the speeches of

another Southern gentleman, in years before, of the same general

character, and to the same effect, as that which has been quoted; but I

will not consume the time of the Senate by the reading of them.

So then, Sir, New England is guiltless of the policy of retarding

Western population, and of all envy and jealousy of the growth of the

new States. Whatever there be of that policy in the country, no part of

it is hers. If it has a local habitation, the honorable member has

probably seen by this time where to look for it; and if it now has

received a name, he has himself christened it.

We approach, at length, Sir, to a more important part of the honorable

gentleman's observations. Since it does not accord with my views of

justice and policy to give away the public lands altogether, as a mere

matter of gratuity, I am asked by the honorable gentleman on what ground

it is that I consent to vote them away in particular instances. How, he

inquires, do I reconcile with these professed sentiments, my support of

measures appropriating portions of the lands to particular roads,

particular canals, particular rivers, and particular institutions of

education in the West? This leads, Sir, to the real and wide difference

in political opinion between the honorable gentleman and myself. On my

part, I look upon all these objects as connected with the common good,

fairly embraced in its object and its terms; he, on the contrary, deems

them all, if good at all, only local good. This is our difference. The

interrogatory which he proceeded to put at once explains this

difference. "What interest," asks he, "has South Carolina in a canal in

Ohio?" Sir, this very question is full of significance. It develops the

gentleman's whole political system; and its answer expounds mine. Here

we differ. I look upon a road over the Alleghanies, a canal round the

falls of the Ohio, or a canal or railway from the Atlantic to the

Western waters, as being an object large and extensive enough to be

fairly said to be for the common benefit. The gentleman thinks

otherwise, and this is the key to his construction of the powers of the

government. He may well ask what interest has South Carolina in a canal

in Ohio. On his system, it is true, she has no interest. On that system,

Ohio and Carolina are different governments, and different countries;

connected here, it is true, by some slight and ill-defined bond of

union, but in all main respects separate and diverse. On that system,

Carolina has no more interest in a canal in Ohio than in Mexico. The

gentleman, therefore, only follows out his own principles; he does no

more than arrive at the natural conclusions of his own doctrines; he

only announces the true results of that creed which he has adopted

himself, and would persuade others to adopt, when he thus declares that

South Carolina has no interest in a public work in Ohio.

Sir, we narrow-minded people of New England do not reason thus. Our

_notion_ of things is entirely different. We look upon the States, not

as separated, but as united. We love to dwell on that union, and on the

mutual happiness which it has so much promoted, and the common renown

which it has so greatly contributed to acquire. In our contemplation,

Carolina and Ohio are parts of the same country; States, united under

the same general government, having interests, common, associated,

intermingled. In whatever is within the proper sphere of the

constitutional power of this government, we look upon the States as one.

We do not impose geographical limits to our patriotic feeling or regard;

we do not follow rivers and mountains, and lines of latitude, to find

boundaries, beyond which public improvements do not benefit us. We who

come here, as agents and representatives of these narrow-minded and

selfish men of New England, consider ourselves as bound to regard with

an equal eye the good of the whole, in whatever is within our powers of

legislation. Sir, if a railroad or canal, beginning in South Carolina

and ending in South Carolina, appeared to me to be of national

importance and national magnitude, believing, as I do, that the power of

government extends to the encouragement of works of that description, if

I were to stand up here and ask, What interest has Massachusetts in a

railroad in South Carolina? I should not be willing to face my

constituents. These same narrow-minded men would tell me, that they had

sent me to act for the whole country, and that one who possessed too

little comprehension, either of intellect or feeling, one who was not

large enough, both in mind and in heart, to embrace the whole, was not

fit to be intrusted with the interest of any part.

Sir, I do not desire to enlarge the powers of the government by

unjustifiable construction, nor to exercise any not within a fair

interpretation. But when it is believed that a power does exist, then it

is, in my judgment, to be exercised for the general benefit of the

whole. So far as respects the exercise of such a power, the States are

one. It was the very object of the Constitution to create unity of

interests to the extent of the powers of the general government. In war

and peace we are one; in commerce, one; because the authority of the

general government reaches to war and peace, and to the regulation of

commerce. I have never seen any more difficulty in erecting light-houses

on the lakes, than on the ocean; in improving the harbors of inland

seas, than if they were within the ebb and flow of the tide; or in

removing obstructions in the vast streams of the West, more than in any

work to facilitate commerce on the Atlantic coast. If there be any power

for one, there is power also for the other; and they are all and equally

for the common good of the country.

There are other objects, apparently more local, or the benefit of which

is less general, towards which, nevertheless, I have concurred with

others, to give aid by donations of land. It is proposed to construct a

road, in or through one of the new States, in which this government

possesses large quantities of land. Have the United States no right, or,

as a great and untaxed proprietor, are they under no obligation to

contribute to an object thus calculated to promote the common good of

all the proprietors, themselves included? And even with respect to

education, which is the extreme case, let the question be considered. In

the first place, as we have seen, it was made matter of compact with

these States, that they should do their part to promote education. In

the next place, our whole system of land laws proceeds on the idea that

education is for the common good; because, in every division, a certain

portion is uniformly reserved and appropriated for the use of schools.

And, finally, have not these new States singularly strong claims,

founded on the ground already stated, that the government is a great

untaxed proprietor, in the ownership of the soil? It is a consideration

of great importance, that probably there is in no part of the country,

or of the world, so great call for the means of education, as in these

new States, owing to the vast numbers of persons within those ages in

which education and instruction are usually received, if received at

all. This is the natural consequence of recency of settlement and rapid

increase. The census of these States shows how great a proportion of the

whole population occupies the classes between infancy and manhood. These

are the wide fields, and here is the deep and quick soil for the seeds

of knowledge and virtue; and this is the favored season, the very

spring-time for sowing them. Let them be disseminated without stint. Let

them be scattered with a bountiful hand, broadcast. Whatever the

government can fairly do towards these objects, in my opinion, ought to

be done.

These, Sir, are the grounds, succinctly stated, on which my votes for

grants of lands for particular objects rest; while I maintain, at the

same time, that it is all a common fund, for the common benefit. And

reasons like these, I presume, have influenced the votes of other

gentlemen from New England. Those who have a different view of the

powers of the government, of course, come to different conclusions, on

these, as on other questions. I observed, when speaking on this subject

before, that if we looked to any measure, whether for a road, a canal,

or any thing else, intended for the improvement of the West, it would be

found that, if the New England _ayes_ were struck out of the lists of

votes, the Southern _noes_ would always have rejected the measure. The

truth of this has not been denied, and cannot be denied. In stating

this, I thought it just to ascribe it to the constitutional scruples of

the South, rather than to any other less favorable or less charitable

cause. But no sooner had I done this, than the honorable gentleman asks

if I reproach him and his friends with their constitutional scruples.

Sir, I reproach nobody. I stated a fact, and gave the most respectful

reason for it that occurred to me. The gentleman cannot deny the fact;

he may, if he choose, disclaim the reason. It is not long since I had

occasion, in presenting a petition from his own State, to account for

its being intrusted to my hands, by saying, that the constitutional

opinions of the gentleman and his worthy colleague prevented them from

supporting it. Sir, did I state this as matter of reproach? Far from it.

Did I attempt to find any other cause than an honest one for these

scruples? Sir, I did not. It did not become me to doubt or to insinuate

that the gentleman had either changed his sentiments, or that he had

made up a set of constitutional opinions accommodated to any particular

combination of political occurrences. Had I done so, I should have felt,

that, while I was entitled to little credit in thus questioning other

people's motives, I justified the whole world in suspecting my own. But

how has the gentleman returned this respect for others' opinions? His

own candor and justice, how have they been exhibited towards the motives

of others, while he has been at so much pains to maintain, what nobody

has disputed, the purity of his own? Why, Sir, he has asked _when_, and

_how_, and _why_ New England votes were found going for measures

favorable to the West. He has demanded to be informed whether all this

did not begin in 1825, and while the election of President was still

pending.

Sir, to these questions retort would be justified; and it is both cogent

and at hand. Nevertheless, I will answer the inquiry, not by retort, but

by facts. I will tell the gentleman _when_, and _how_, and _why_ New

England has supported measures favorable to the West. I have already

referred to the early history of the government, to the first

acquisition of the lands, to the original laws for disposing of them,

and for governing the territories where they lie; and have shown the

influence of New England men and New England principles in all these

leading measures. I should not be pardoned were I to go over that ground

again. Coming to more recent times, and to measures of a less general

character, I have endeavored to prove that every thing of this kind,

designed for Western improvement, has depended on the votes of New

England; all this is true beyond the power of contradiction. And now,

Sir, there are two measures to which I will refer, not so ancient as to

belong to the early history of the public lands, and not so recent as to

be on this side of the period when the gentleman charitably imagines a

new direction may have been given to New England feeling and New England

votes. These measures, and the New England votes in support of them, may

be taken as samples and specimens of all the rest.

In 1820 (observe, Mr. President, in 1820) the people of the West

besought Congress for a reduction in the price of lands. In favor of

that reduction, New England, with a delegation of forty members in the

other house, gave thirty-three votes, and one only against it. The four

Southern States, with more than fifty members, gave thirty-two votes for

it, and seven against it. Again, in 1821, (observe again, Sir, the

time,) the law passed for the relief of the purchasers of the public

lands. This was a measure of vital importance to the West, and more

especially to the Southwest. It authorized the relinquishment of

contracts for lands which had been entered into at high prices, and a

reduction in other cases of not less than thirty-seven and a half per

cent on the purchase-money. Many millions of dollars, six or seven, I

believe, probably much more, were relinquished by this law. On this

bill, New England, with her forty members, gave more affirmative votes

than the four Southern States, with their fifty-two or fifty-three

members. These two are far the most important general measures

respecting the public lands which have been adopted within the last

twenty years. They took place in 1820 and 1821. That is the time _when_.

As to the manner _how_, the gentleman already sees that it was by voting

in solid column for the required relief; and, lastly, as to the cause

_why_, I tell the gentleman it was because the members from New England

thought the measures just and salutary; because they entertained towards

the West neither envy, hatred, nor malice; because they deemed it

becoming them, as just and enlightened public men, to meet the exigency

which had arisen in the West with the appropriate measure of relief;

because they felt it due to their own characters, and the characters of

their New England predecessors in this government, to act towards the

new States in the spirit of a liberal, patronizing, magnanimous policy.

So much, Sir, for the cause _why_; and I hope that by this time, Sir,

the honorable gentleman is satisfied; if not, I do not know _when_, or

_how_, or _why_ he ever will be.

Having recurred to these two important measures, in answer to the

gentleman's inquiries, I must now beg permission to go back to a period

somewhat earlier, for the purpose of still further showing how much, or

rather how little, reason there is for the gentleman's insinuation that

political hopes or fears, or party associations, were the grounds of

these New England votes. And after what has been said, I hope it may be

forgiven me if I allude to some political opinions and votes of my own,

of very little public importance certainly, but which, from the time at

which they were given and expressed, may pass for good witnesses on this

occasion.

This government, Mr. President, from its origin to the peace of 1815,

had been too much engrossed with various other important concerns to be

able to turn its thoughts inward, and look to the development of its

vast internal resources. In the early part of President Washington's

administration, it was fully occupied with completing its own

organization, providing for the public debt, defending the frontiers,

and maintaining domestic peace. Before the termination of that

administration, the fires of the French Revolution blazed forth, as

from a new-opened volcano, and the whole breadth of the ocean did not

secure us from its effects. The smoke and the cinders reached us, though

not the burning lava. Difficult and agitating questions, embarrassing to

government and dividing public opinion, sprung out of the new state of

our foreign relations, and were succeeded by others, and yet again by

others, equally embarrassing and equally exciting division and discord,

through the long series of twenty years, till they finally issued in the

war with England. Down to the close of that war, no distinct, marked,

and deliberate attention had been given, or could have been given, to

the internal condition of the country, its capacities of improvement, or

the constitutional power of the government in regard to objects

connected with such improvement.

The peace, Mr. President, brought about an entirely new and a most

interesting state of things; it opened to us other prospects and

suggested other duties. We ourselves were changed, and the whole world

was changed. The pacification of Europe, after June, 1815, assumed a

firm and permanent aspect. The nations evidently manifested that they

were disposed for peace. Some agitation of the waves might be expected,

even after the storm had subsided; but the tendency was, strongly and

rapidly, towards settled repose.

It so happened, Sir, that I was at that time a member of Congress, and,

like others, naturally turned my thoughts to the contemplation of the

recently altered condition of the country and of the world. It appeared

plainly enough to me, as well as to wiser and more experienced men, that

the policy of the government would naturally take a start in a new

direction; because new directions would necessarily be given to the

pursuits and occupations of the people. We had pushed our commerce far

and fast, under the advantage of a neutral flag. But there were now no

longer flags, either neutral or belligerent. The harvest of neutrality

had been great, but we had gathered it all. With the peace of Europe, it

was obvious there would spring up in her circle of nations a revived and

invigorated spirit of trade, and a new activity in all the business and

objects of civilized life. Hereafter, our commercial gains were to be

earned only by success in a close and intense competition. Other nations

would produce for themselves, and carry for themselves, and manufacture

for themselves, to the full extent of their abilities. The crops of our

plains would no longer sustain European armies, nor our ships longer

supply those whom war had rendered unable to supply themselves. It was

obvious, that, under these circumstances, the country would begin to

survey itself, and to estimate its own capacity of improvement.

And this improvement,--how was it to be accomplished, and who was to

accomplish it? We were ten or twelve millions of people, spread over

almost half a world. We were more than twenty States, some stretching

along the same seaboard, some along the same line of inland frontier,

and others on opposite banks of the same vast rivers. Two considerations

at once presented themselves with great force, in looking at this state

of things. One was, that that great branch of improvement which

consisted in furnishing new facilities of intercourse necessarily ran

into different States in every leading instance, and would benefit the

citizens of all such States. No one State, therefore, in such cases,

would assume the whole expense, nor was the co-operation of several

States to be expected. Take the instance of the Delaware breakwater. It

will cost several millions of money. Would Pennsylvania alone ever have

constructed it? Certainly never, while this Union lasts, because it is

not for her sole benefit. Would Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Delaware

have united to accomplish it at their joint expense? Certainly not, for

the same reason. It could not be done, therefore, but by the general

government. The same may be said of the large inland undertakings,

except that, in them, government, instead of bearing the whole expense,

co-operates with others who bear a part. The other consideration is,

that the United States have the means. They enjoy the revenues derived

from commerce, and the States have no abundant and easy sources of

public income. The custom-houses fill the general treasury, while the

States have scanty resources, except by resort to heavy direct taxes.

Under this view of things, I thought it necessary to settle, at least

for myself, some definite notions with respect to the powers of the

government in regard to internal affairs. It may not savor too much of

self-commendation to remark, that, with this object, I considered the

Constitution, its judicial construction, its contemporaneous exposition,

and the whole history of the legislation of Congress under it; and I

arrived at the conclusion, that government had power to accomplish

sundry objects, or aid in their accomplishment, which are now commonly

spoken of as INTERNAL IMPROVEMENTS. That conclusion, Sir, may have been

right, or it may have been wrong. I am not about to argue the grounds of

it at large. I say only, that it was adopted and acted on even so early

as in 1816. Yes, Mr. President, I made up my opinion, and determined on

my intended course of political conduct, on these subjects, in the

Fourteenth Congress, in 1816. And now, Mr. President, I have further to

say, that I made up these opinions, and entered on this course of

political conduct, _Teucro duce_.[2] Yes, Sir, I pursued in all this a

South Carolina track on the doctrines of internal improvement. South

Carolina, as she was then represented in the other house, set forth in

1816 under a fresh and leading breeze, and I was among the followers.

But if my leader sees new lights and turns a sharp corner, unless I see

new lights also, I keep straight on in the same path. I repeat, that

leading gentlemen from South Carolina were first and foremost in behalf

of the doctrines of internal improvements, when those doctrines came

first to be considered and acted upon in Congress. The debate on the

bank question, on the tariff of 1816, and on the direct tax, will show

who was who, and what was what, at that time.

The tariff of 1816, (one of the plain cases of oppression and

usurpation, from which, if the government does not recede, individual

States may justly secede from the government,) is, Sir, in truth, a

South Carolina tariff, supported by South Carolina votes. But for those

votes, it could not have passed in the form in which it did pass;

whereas, if it had depended on Massachusetts votes, it would have been

lost. Does not the honorable gentleman well know all this? There are

certainly those who do, full well, know it all. I do not say this to

reproach South Carolina. I only state the fact; and I think it will

appear to be true, that among the earliest and boldest advocates of the

tariff, as a measure of protection, and on the express ground of

protection, were leading gentlemen of South Carolina in Congress. I did

not then, and cannot now, understand their language in any other sense.

While this tariff of 1816 was under discussion in the House of

Representatives, an honorable gentleman from Georgia, now of this

house,[3] moved to reduce the proposed duty on cotton. He failed, by

four votes, South Carolina giving three votes (enough to have turned the

scale) against his motion. The act, Sir, then passed, and received on

its passage the support of a majority of the Representatives of South

Carolina present and voting. This act is the first in the order of those

now denounced as plain usurpations. We see it daily in the list, by the

side of those of 1824 and 1828, as a case of manifest oppression,

justifying disunion. I put it home to the honorable member from South

Carolina, that his own State was not only "art and part" in this

measure, but the _causa causans_. Without her aid, this seminal

principle of mischief, this root of Upas, could not have been planted. I

have already said, and it is true, that this act proceeded on the ground

of protection. It interfered directly with existing interests of great

value and amount. It cut up the Calcutta cotton trade by the roots; but

it passed, nevertheless, and it passed on the principle of protecting

manufactures, on the principle against free trade, on the principle

opposed to that _which lets us alone_.

Such, Mr. President, were the opinions of important and leading

gentlemen from South Carolina, on the subject of internal improvement,

in 1816. I went out of Congress the next year, and, returning again in

1823, thought I found South Carolina where I had left her. I really

supposed that all things remained as they were, and that the South

Carolina doctrine of internal improvements would be defended by the same

eloquent voices, and the same strong arms, as formerly. In the lapse of

these six years, it is true, political associations had assumed a new

aspect and new divisions. A strong party had arisen in the South hostile

to the doctrine of internal improvements. Anti-consolidation was the

flag under which this party fought; and its supporters inveighed against

internal improvements, much after the manner in which the honorable

gentleman has now inveighed against them, as part and parcel of the

system of consolidation. Whether this party arose in South Carolina

itself, or in the neighborhood, is more than I know. I think the latter.

However that may have been, there were those found in South Carolina

ready to make war upon it, and who did make intrepid war upon it. Names

being regarded as things in such controversies, they bestowed on the

anti-improvement gentlemen the appellation of Radicals. Yes, Sir, the

appellation of Radicals, as a term of distinction applicable and applied

to those who denied the liberal doctrines of internal improvement,

originated, according to the best of my recollection, somewhere between

North Carolina and Georgia. Well, Sir, these mischievous Radicals were

to be put down, and the strong arm of South Carolina was stretched out

to put them down. About this time I returned to Congress. The battle

with the Radicals had been fought, and our South Carolina champions of

the doctrines of internal improvement had nobly maintained their ground,

and were understood to have achieved a victory. We looked upon them as

conquerors. They had driven back the enemy with discomfiture, a thing,

by the way, Sir, which is not always performed when it is promised. A

gentleman to whom I have already referred in this debate had come into

Congress, during my absence from it, from South Carolina, and had

brought with him a high reputation for ability. He came from a school

with which we had been acquainted, _et noscitur a sociis_. I hold in my

hand, Sir, a printed speech of this distinguished gentleman,[4] "ON

INTERNAL IMPROVEMENTS," delivered about the period to which I now refer,

and printed with a few introductory remarks upon _consolidation_; in

which, Sir, I think he quite consolidated the arguments of his

opponents, the Radicals, if to _crush_ be to consolidate. I give you a

short but significant quotation from these remarks. He is speaking of a

pamphlet, then recently published, entitled "Consolidation"; and, having

alluded to the question of renewing the charter of the former Bank of

the United States, he says:--

"Moreover, in the early history of parties, and when Mr. Crawford

advocated a renewal of the old charter, it was considered a Federal

measure; which internal improvement _never was_, as this author

erroneously states. This latter measure originated in the

administration of Mr. Jefferson, with the appropriation for the

Cumberland Road; and was first proposed, _as a system_, by Mr.

Calhoun, and carried through the House of Representatives by a

large majority of the Republicans, including almost every one of

the leading men who carried us through the late war."

So, then, internal improvement is not one of the Federal heresies. One

paragraph more, Sir:--

"The author in question, not content with denouncing as

Federalists, General Jackson, Mr. Adams, Mr. Calhoun, and the

majority of the South Carolina delegation in Congress, modestly

extends the denunciation to Mr. Monroe and the whole Republican

party. Here are his words: 'During the administration of Mr. Monroe

much has passed which the Republican party would be glad to approve

if they could!! But the principal feature, and that which has

chiefly elicited these observations, is the renewal of the SYSTEM

OF INTERNAL IMPROVEMENTS.' Now this measure was adopted by a vote

of 115 to 86 of a Republican Congress, and sanctioned by a

Republican President. Who, then, is this author, who assumes the

high prerogative of denouncing, in the name of the Republican

party, the Republican administration of the country? A denunciation

including within its sweep _Calhoun, Lowndes, and Cheves_, men who

will be regarded as the brightest ornaments of South Carolina, and

the strongest pillars of the Republican party, as long as the late

war shall be remembered, and talents and patriotism shall be

regarded as the proper objects of the admiration and gratitude of a

free people!!"

Such are the opinions, Sir, which were maintained by South Carolina

gentlemen, in the House of Representatives, on the subject of internal

improvements, when I took my seat there as a member from Massachusetts

in 1823. But this is not all. We had a bill before us, and passed it in

that house, entitled, "An Act to procure the necessary surveys, plans,

and estimates upon the subject of roads and canals." It authorized the

President to cause surveys and estimates to be made of the routes of

such roads and canals as he might deem of national importance in a

commercial or military point of view, or for the transportation of the

mail, and appropriated thirty thousand dollars out of the treasury to

defray the expense. This act, though preliminary in its nature, covered

the whole ground. It took for granted the complete power of internal

improvement, as far as any of its advocates had ever contended for it.

Having passed the other house, the bill came up to the Senate, and was

here considered and debated in April, 1824. The honorable member from

South Carolina was a member of the Senate at that time. While the bill

was under consideration here, a motion was made to add the following

proviso: "_Provided_, That nothing herein contained shall be construed

to affirm _or admit_ a power in Congress, on their own authority, to

make roads or canals within any of the States of the Union." The yeas

and nays were taken on this proviso, and the honorable member voted _in

the negative_! The proviso failed.

A motion was then made to add this proviso, viz.: "_Provided_, That the

faith of the United States is hereby pledged, that no money shall ever

be expended for roads or canals, except it shall be among the several

States, and in the same proportion as direct taxes are laid and assessed

by the provisions of the Constitution." The honorable member voted

_against this proviso_ also, and it failed. The bill was then put on its

passage, and the honorable member voted _for it_, and it passed, and

became a law.

Now, it strikes me, Sir, that there is no maintaining these votes, but

upon the power of internal improvement, in its broadest sense. In truth,

these bills for surveys and estimates have always been considered as

test questions; they show who is for and who against internal

improvement. This law itself went the whole length, and assumed the full

and complete power. The gentleman's votes sustained that power, in every

form in which the various propositions to amend presented it. He went

for the entire and unrestrained authority, without consulting the

States, and without agreeing to any proportionate distribution. And now

suffer me to remind you, Mr. President, that it is this very same power,

thus sanctioned, in every form, by the gentleman's own opinion, which is

so plain and manifest a usurpation, that the State of South Carolina is

supposed to be justified in refusing submission to any laws carrying the

power into effect. Truly, Sir, is not this a little too hard? May we not

crave some mercy, under favor and protection of the gentleman's own

authority? Admitting that a road, or a canal, must be written down flat

usurpation as was ever committed, may we find no mitigation in our

respect for his place, and his vote, as one that knows the law?

The tariff, which South Carolina had an efficient hand in establishing,

in 1816, and this asserted power of internal improvement, advanced by

her in the same year, and, as we have seen, approved and sanctioned by

her Representatives in 1824,--these two measures are the great grounds

on which she is now thought to be justified in breaking up the Union, if

she sees fit to break it up!

I may now safely say, I think, that we have had the authority of leading

and distinguished gentlemen from South Carolina in support of the

doctrine of internal improvement. I repeat, that, up to 1824, I for one

followed South Carolina; but when that star, in its ascension, veered

off in an unexpected direction, I relied on its light no longer.

Here the Vice-President said, "Does the chair understand the

gentleman from Massachusetts to say that the person now occupying

the chair of the Senate has changed his opinions on the subject of

internal improvements?"

From nothing ever said to me, Sir, have I had reason to know of any

change in the opinions of the person filling the chair of the Senate. If

such change has taken place, I regret it. I speak generally of the State

of South Carolina. Individuals we know there are who hold opinions

favorable to the power. An application for its exercise, in behalf of a

public work in South Carolina itself, is now pending, I believe, in the

other house, presented by members from that State.

I have thus, Sir, perhaps not without some tediousness of detail, shown,

if I am in error on the subject of internal improvement, how, and in

what company, I fell into that error. If I am wrong, it is apparent who

misled me.

I go to other remarks of the honorable member; and I have to complain of

an entire misapprehension of what I said on the subject of the national

debt, though I can hardly perceive how any one could misunderstand me.

What I said was, not that I wished to put off the payment of the debt,

but, on the contrary, that I had always voted for every measure for its

reduction, as uniformly as the gentleman himself. He seems to claim the

exclusive merit of a disposition to reduce the public charge. I do not

allow it to him. As a debt, I was, I am for paying it, because it is a

charge on our finances, and on the industry of the country. But I

observed, that I thought I perceived a morbid fervor on that subject, an

excessive anxiety to pay off the debt, not so much because it is a debt

simply, as because, while it lasts, it furnishes one objection to

disunion. It is, while it continues, a tie of common interest. I did not

impute such motives to the honorable member himself, but that there is

such a feeling in existence I have not a particle of doubt. The most I

said was, that, if one effect of the debt was to strengthen our Union,

that effect itself was not regretted by me, however much others might

regret it. The gentleman has not seen how to reply to this, otherwise

than by supposing me to have advanced the doctrine that a national debt

is a national blessing. Others, I must hope, will find much less

difficulty in understanding me. I distinctly and pointedly cautioned the

honorable member not to understand me as expressing an opinion favorable

to the continuance of the debt. I repeated this caution, and repeated it

more than once; but it was thrown away.

On yet another point, I was still more unaccountably misunderstood. The

gentleman had harangued against "consolidation." I told him, in reply,

that there was one kind of consolidation to which I was attached, and

that was the consolidation of our Union; that this was precisely that

consolidation to which I feared others were not attached, and that such

consolidation was the very end of the Constitution, the leading object,

as they had informed us themselves, which its framers had kept in view.

I turned to their communication,[5] and read their very words, "the

consolidation of the Union," and expressed my devotion to this sort of

consolidation. I said, in terms, that I wished not in the slightest

degree to augment the powers of this government; that my object was to

preserve, not to enlarge; and that by consolidating the Union I

understood no more than the strengthening of the Union, and perpetuating

it. Having been thus explicit, having thus read from the printed book

the precise words which I adopted, as expressing my own sentiments, it

passes comprehension how any man could understand me as contending for

an extension of the powers of the government, or for consolidation in

that odious sense in which it means an accumulation, in the federal

government, of the powers properly belonging to the States.

I repeat, Sir, that, in adopting the sentiment of the framers of the

Constitution, I read their language audibly, and word for word; and I

pointed out the distinction, just as fully as I have now done, between

the consolidation of the Union and that other obnoxious consolidation

which I disclaimed. And yet the honorable member misunderstood me. The

gentleman had said that he wished for no fixed revenue,--not a shilling.

If by a word he could convert the Capitol into gold, he would not do it.

Why all this fear of revenue? Why, Sir, because, as the gentleman told

us, it tends to consolidation. Now this can mean neither more nor less

than that a common revenue is a common interest, and that all common

interests tend to preserve the union of the States. I confess I like

that tendency; if the gentleman dislikes it, he is right in deprecating

a shilling of fixed revenue. So much, Sir, for consolidation.

As well as I recollect the course of his remarks, the honorable

gentleman next recurred to the subject of the tariff. He did not doubt

the word must be of unpleasant sound to me, and proceeded, with an

effort neither new nor attended with new success, to involve me and my

votes in inconsistency and contradiction. I am happy the honorable

gentleman has furnished me an opportunity of a timely remark or two on

that subject. I was glad he approached it, for it is a question I enter

upon without fear from anybody. The strenuous toil of the gentleman has

been to raise an inconsistency between my dissent to the tariff in 1824,

and my vote in 1828. It is labor lost. He pays undeserved compliment to

my speech in 1824; but this is to raise me high, that my fall, as he

would have it, in 1828, may be more signal. Sir, there was no fall.

Between the ground I stood on in 1824 and that I took in 1828, there was

not only no precipice, but no declivity. It was a change of position to

meet new circumstances, but on the same level. A plain tale explains the

whole matter. In 1816 I had not acquiesced in the tariff, then supported

by South Carolina. To some parts of it, especially, I felt and expressed

great repugnance. I held the same opinions in 1820, at the meeting in

Faneuil Hall, to which the gentleman has alluded. I said then, and say

now, that, as an original question, the authority of Congress to

exercise the revenue power, with direct reference to the protection of

manufactures, is a questionable authority, far more questionable, in my

judgment, than the power of internal improvements. I must confess, Sir,

that in one respect some impression has been made on my opinions lately.

Mr. Madison's publication has put the power in a very strong light. He

has placed it, I must acknowledge, upon grounds of construction and

argument which seem impregnable. But even if the power were doubtful, on

the face of the Constitution itself, it had been assumed and asserted in

the first revenue law ever passed under that same Constitution and on

this ground, as a matter settled by contemporaneous practice, I had

refrained from expressing the opinion that the tariff laws transcended

constitutional limits, as the gentleman supposes. What I did say at

Faneuil Hall, as far as I now remember, was, that this was originally

matter of doubtful construction. The gentleman himself, I suppose,

thinks there is no doubt about it, and that the laws are plainly against

the Constitution. Mr. Madison's letters, already referred to, contain,

in my judgment, by far the most able exposition extant of this part of

the Constitution. He has satisfied me, so far as the practice of the

government had left it an open question.

With a great majority of the Representatives of Massachusetts, I voted

against the tariff of 1824. My reasons were then given, and I will not

now repeat them. But, notwithstanding our dissent, the great States of

New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Kentucky went for the bill, in almost

unbroken column, and it passed. Congress and the President sanctioned

it, and it became the law of the land. What, then, were we to do? Our

only option was, either to fall in with this settled course of public

policy, and accommodate ourselves to it as well as we could, or to

embrace the South Carolina doctrine, and talk of nullifying the statute

by State interference.

This last alternative did not suit our principles, and of course we

adopted the former. In 1827, the subject came again before Congress, on

a proposition to afford some relief to the branch of wool and woollens.

We looked upon the system of protection as being fixed and settled. The

law of 1824 remained. It had gone into full operation, and, in regard to

some objects intended by it, perhaps most of them, had produced all its

expected effects. No man proposed to repeal it; no man attempted to

renew the general contest on its principle. But, owing to subsequent and

unforeseen occurrences, the benefit intended by it to wool and woollen

fabrics had not been realized. Events not known here when the law passed

had taken place, which defeated its object in that particular respect. A

measure was accordingly brought forward to meet this precise deficiency,

to remedy this particular defect. It was limited to wool and woollens.

Was ever any thing more reasonable? If the policy of the tariff laws had

become established in principle, as the permanent policy of the

government, should they not be revised and amended, and made equal, like

other laws, as exigencies should arise, or justice require? Because we

had doubted about adopting the system, were we to refuse to cure its

manifest defects, after it had been adopted, and when no one attempted

its repeal? And this, Sir, is the inconsistency so much bruited. I had

voted against the tariff of 1824, but it passed; and in 1827 and 1828 I

voted to amend it, in a point essential to the interest of my

constituents. Where is the inconsistency? Could I do otherwise? Sir,

does political consistency consist in always giving negative votes? Does

it require of a public man to refuse to concur in amending laws, because

they passed against his consent? Having voted against the tariff

originally, does consistency demand that I should do all in my power to

maintain an unequal tariff, burdensome to my own constituents in many

respects, favorable in none? To consistency of that sort, I lay no

claim. And there is another sort to which I lay as little, and that is,

a kind of consistency by which persons feel themselves as much bound to

oppose a proposition after it has become a law of the land as before.

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