"With regard to circumstances relative to a treaty, M. de Vergennes

observed, that the King's engagements were such, that he could not

treat without the concurrence of his allies, that the treaty should,

therefore, be for a general, not a partial peace, that if the parties

were disposed to finish the war speedily by themselves, it would

perhaps be best to treat at Paris, as an Ambassador from Spain was

already there, and the Commissioners from America might easily and

soon be assembled there. Or, if they chose to make use of the proposed

mediation, they might treat at Vienna; but that the King was so truly

willing to put a speedy end to the war, that he would agree to any

place the King of England should think proper.

"I leave the rest of the conversation to be related to your Lordship

by Mr Oswald, and that he might do it more easily and fully, than he

could by letter, I was of opinion with him, that it would be best he

should return immediately and do it _viva voce_. Being myself but one

of the four persons now in Europe, commissioned by the Congress to

treat of peace, I can make no propositions of much importance without

them. I can only express my wish, that, if Mr Oswald returns hither,

he may bring with him the agreement of your Court to treat for a

general peace, and the proposal of place and time, that I may

immediately write to Messrs Adams, Laurens, and Jay. I suppose, that

in this case, your Lordship will think it proper to have Mr Laurens

discharged from the engagements he entered into, when he was admitted

to bail. I desire no other channel of communication between us, than

that of Mr Oswald, which I think your Lordship has chosen with much

judgment. He will be witness of my acting with all the simplicity and

good faith, which you do me the honor to expect from me, and if he is

enabled, when he returns hither, to communicate more fully your

Lordship's mind on the principal points to be settled, I think it may

contribute much to the blessed work our hearts are engaged in.

"By the Act of Parliament relative to American prisoners, I see the

King is empowered to exchange them. I hope those you have in England

and Ireland may be sent home soon to their country, in flags of truce,

and exchanged for an equal number of your people. Permit me to add,

that I think it would be well if some kindness were mixed in the

transaction, with regard to their comfortable accommodation on

shipboard, as these poor unfortunate people have been long absent from

their families and friends, and rather hardly treated. With great and

sincere respect, I have the honor to be, my Lord, &c.

B. FRANKLIN."

To the account contained in this letter, of what passed in the

conversation with the Minister, I should add his frank declaration,

that, as the foundation of a good and durable peace should be laid in

justice, whenever a treaty was entered upon, he had several demands of

justice to make from England. Of this, says he, I give you previous

notice. What these demands were, he did not particularly say. One

occurred to me, viz. reparation for the injury done in taking a number

of French ships by surprise, before the declaration of the preceding

war, contrary to the law of nations. Mr Oswald seemed to wish to

obtain some propositions to carry back with him, but M. de Vergennes

said to him very properly, there are four nations engaged in the war

against you, who cannot, till they have consulted and know each

other's minds, be ready to make propositions. Your Court being without

allies and alone, knowing its own mind, can express it immediately. It

is therefore more natural to expect the first proposition from you.

On our return from Versailles, Mr Oswald took occasion to impress me

with ideas, that the present weakness of the government of England,

with regard to continuing the war, was owing chiefly to the division

of sentiments about it. That in case France should make demands too

humiliating for England to submit to, the spirit of the nation would

be roused, unanimity would prevail, and resources would not be

wanting. He said there was no want of money in the nation, that the

chief difficulty lay in the finding out new taxes to raise it, and,

perhaps, that difficulty might be avoided by shutting up the

Exchequer, stopping the payment of the interests of the public funds,

and applying that money to the support of the war. I made no reply to

this, for I did not desire to discourage their stopping payment, which

I considered as cutting the throat of the public credit, and a means

of adding fresh exasperation against them with the neighboring

nations. Such menaces were besides an encouragement with me,

remembering the adage, that _they who threaten are afraid_.

The next morning, when I had written the above letter to Lord

Shelburne, I went with it to Mr Oswald's lodgings, and gave it to him

to read before I sealed it, that in case anything might be in it with

which he was not satisfied, it might be corrected; but he expressed

himself much pleased.

In going to him, I had also in view the entering into a conversation,

which might draw out something of the mind of his Court on the subject

of Canada and Nova Scotia. I had thrown some loose thoughts on paper,

which I intended to serve as memorandums for my discourse, but without

a fixed intention of showing them to him. On his saying that he was

obliged to me for the good opinion I had expressed of him to Lord

Shelburne in my letter, and assuring me, that he had entertained the

same of me, I observed, that I perceived Lord S. had placed great

confidence in him, and as we had happily the same in each other, we

might possibly, by a free communication of sentiments, and a previous

settling of our own minds on some of the important points, be the

means of great good, by impressing our sentiments on the minds of

those with whom they might have influence, and where their being

received might be of importance. I then remarked, that his nation

seemed to desire a reconciliation, that to obtain this, the party

which had been the aggressor and had cruelly treated the other, should

show some marks of concern for what was past, and some disposition to

make reparation; that perhaps there were things, which America might

demand by way of reparation, and which England might yield, and that

the effect would be vastly greater if they appeared to be voluntary,

and to spring from returning good will; that I, therefore, wished

England would think of offering something to relieve those, who had

suffered by its scalping and burning parties. Lives indeed could not

be restored nor compensated, but the villages and houses wantonly

destroyed might be rebuilt, &c. I then touched upon the affair of

Canada, and, as in a former conversation he had mentioned his opinion,

that the giving up of that country to the English, at the last peace,

had been a politic act in France, for that it had weakened the ties

between England and her Colonies, and that he himself had predicted

from it the late revolution, I spoke of the occasions of future

quarrel that might be produced by her continuing to hold it, hinting

at the same time, but not expressing too plainly, that such a

situation, to us so dangerous, would necessarily oblige us to

cultivate and strengthen our union with France. He appeared much

struck with my discourse, and, as I frequently looked at my paper, he

desired to see it. After some little delay, I allowed him to read it;

the following is an exact copy.

NOTES FOR CONVERSATION.

"To make a peace durable, what may give occasion for future wars

should if practicable be removed.

"The territory of the United States and that of Canada, by long

extended frontiers, touch each other.

"The settlers on the frontiers of the American provinces are generally

the most disorderly of the people, who, being far removed from the eye

and control of their respective governments, are more bold in

committing offences against neighbors, and are forever occasioning

complaints and furnishing matter for fresh differences between their

States.

"By the late debates in Parliament, and public writings, it appears

that Britain desires a _reconciliation_ with the Americans. It is a

sweet word. It means much more than a mere peace, and what is heartily

to be wished for. Nations make a peace whenever they are both weary of

making war. But if one of them has made war upon the other unjustly,

and has wantonly and unnecessarily done it great injuries, and refuses

reparation, there may, for the present, be peace, the resentment of

those injuries will remain, and will break out again in vengeance when

occasions offer. These occasions will be watched for by one side,

feared by the other, and the peace will never be secure; nor can any

cordiality subsist between them.

"Many houses and villages have been burnt in America by the English

and their allies, the Indians. I do not know that the Americans will

insist on reparation; perhaps they may. But would it not be better for

England to offer it? Nothing would have a greater tendency to

conciliate, and much of the future commerce and returning intercourse

between the two countries may depend on the reconciliation. Would not

the advantage of reconciliation by such means be greater than the

expense?

"If then a way can be proposed, which may tend to efface the memory of

injuries, at the same time that it takes away the occasions of fresh

quarrels and mischief, will it not be worth considering, especially if

it can be done, not only without expense, but be a means of saving?

"Britain possesses Canada. Her chief advantage from that possession

consists in the trade for peltry. Her expenses in governing and

defending that settlement must be considerable. It might be

humiliating to her to give it up on the demand of America. Perhaps

America will not demand it; some of her political rulers may consider

the fear of such a neighbor, as a means of keeping the thirteen States

more united among themselves, and more attentive to military

discipline. But on the mind of the people in general, would it not

have an excellent effect, if Britain should voluntarily offer to give

up this Province; though on these conditions, that she shall in all

times coming have and enjoy the right of free trade thither,

unincumbered with any duties whatsoever; that so much of the vacant

lands there shall be sold, as will raise a sum sufficient to pay for

the houses burnt by the British troops, and their Indians; and also to

indemnify the royalists for the confiscation of their estates?

"This is mere conversation matter between Mr Oswald and Mr Franklin,

as the former is not empowered to make propositions, and the latter

cannot make any without the concurrence of his colleagues."

* * * * *

He then told me, that nothing in his judgment could be clearer, more

satisfactory and convincing, than the reasonings in that paper; that

he would do his utmost to impress Lord Shelburne with them; that, as

his memory might not do them justice, and it would be impossible for

him to express them so well, or state them so clearly as I had written

them, he begged I would let him take the paper with him, assuring me

that he would return it safely into my hands. I at length complied

with this request also. We parted exceeding good friends, and he set

out for London.

By the first opportunity after his departure, I wrote the following

letter to Mr Adams, and sent the papers therein mentioned, that he

might fully be apprized of the proceedings. I omitted only the paper

of _Notes for Conversation_ with Mr Oswald, but gave the substance,

as appears in the letter. The reason of my omitting it was, that, on

reflection, I was not pleased with my having hinted a reparation to

tories for their forfeited estates, and I was a little ashamed of my

weakness in permitting the paper to go out of my hands.

* * * * *

TO JOHN ADAMS.

Passy, April 20th, 1782.

"Sir,

"I hope your Excellency received the copy of our instructions, which I

sent by the courier from Versailles, some weeks since. I wrote to you

on the 13th, to go by Captain Smedley, and sent a packet of

correspondence with Mr Hartley. Smedley did not leave Paris so soon as

I expected; but you should have it by this time.

"With this I send a fresh correspondence, which I have been drawn

into, viz. 1st, A letter I sent to Lord Shelburne before he was a

Minister. 2dly, His answer since he was a Minister, by Mr Oswald.

3dly, A letter from Mr Laurens. 4thly, My letter to M. de Vergennes.

5thly, My answer to Lord Shelburne. 6thly, My answer to Mr Laurens.

7thly, Copy of Digges's report. These papers will inform you pretty

well of what passed between me and Mr Oswald, except that in a

conversation at parting, I mentioned to him, that I observed they

spoke much in England of obtaining a _reconciliation_ with the

Colonies; that this was more than a peace; that the latter might

possibly be obtained without the former; that the cruel injuries

constantly done us by burning our towns, &c. had made deep impressions

of resentment that would long remain; that much of the advantage to

the commerce of England from a peace would depend on a _reconciliation_;

that the peace without reconciliation would probably not be durable;

that after a quarrel between friends, nothing tended so much to

_conciliate_, as offers made by the aggressor of reparation for

injuries done by him in his passion. And I hinted, that if England

should make us a voluntary offer of Canada, expressly for that

purpose, it might have a good effect.

"Mr Oswald liked much the idea, and said they were too much straitened

for money to make us pecuniary reparation, but he should endeavor to

persuade their doing it this way. He is furnished with a passport to

go and return by Calais, and I expect him back in ten or twelve days.

I wish you and Mr Laurens could be here when he arrives, for I shall

much want your advice, and cannot act without your concurrence. If the

present crisis of your affairs prevents your coming, I hope, at least,

Mr Laurens will be here, and we must communicate with you by

expresses, for your letters to me by post are generally opened. I

shall write by the next post, requesting Mr Jay to be here also as

soon as possible.

"I received your letter advising of your draft on me for a quarter's

salary, which will be duly honored. With great esteem, I have the

honor to be, &c.

B. FRANKLIN."

Supposing Mr Laurens to be in Holland with Mr Adams, I, at the same

time, wrote to him the following letter.

* * * * *

TO HENRY LAURENS.

Passy, April 20th, 1782.

"Sir,

"I received, by Mr Oswald, the letter you did me the honor of writing

to me on the 7th instant. He brought me also a letter from Lord

Shelburne, which gave him the same good character that you do, adding,

'He is fully apprized of my mind, and you may give full credit to

everything he assures you of.' Mr Oswald, however, could give me no

other particulars of his Lordship's mind, but that he was sincerely

disposed to peace. As the message seemed, therefore, rather intended

to procure or receive propositions than to make any, I told Mr Oswald

that I could make none but in concurrence with my colleagues in the

commission, and that if we were together, we should not treat but in

conjunction with France; and I proposed introducing him to M. de

Vergennes, which he accepted.

"He made to that Minister the same declaration of the disposition of

England to peace, who replied, that France had assuredly the same good

disposition; that a treaty might be immediately begun, but it must be

for a _general_, not a _particular_ peace. That, as to the place, he

thought Paris might be the most convenient, as Spain had here already

an Ambassador, and the American Commissioners could easily be

assembled here; this, upon a supposition of the parties treating

directly with each other without the intervention of mediators, but if

the mediation was to be used, it might be at Vienna. The King, his

master, however, was so truly disposed to peace, that he would agree

to any place that the King of England should choose, and would, at the

treaty, give proof of the confidence that might be placed in any

engagements he should then enter into, by the fidelity and exactitude

with which he should observe those he already had with his present

allies.

"Mr Oswald is returned with these general answers by the way of

Calais, and expects to be here again in a few days. I wish it might be

convenient for you and Mr Adams to be here at the same time; but if

the present critical situation of affairs there, makes his being in

Holland necessary just now, I hope you may, nevertheless, be here,

bringing with you his opinion and advice. I have proposed to Lord

Shelburne, to discharge you from the obligations you entered into at

the time of your enlargement, that you may act more freely in the

treaty he desires.

"I had done myself the honor of writing to you a few days before the

arrival of Mr Oswald. My letter went by Mr Young, your Secretary, and

enclosed a copy of your commission, with an offer of money if you had

occasion for any. Hoping that you will not return to England before

you have been at Paris, I forbear enlarging on the state of our

affairs here and in Spain. M. de Vergennes told me he should be very

glad to see you here. I found Mr Oswald to answer perfectly the

character you gave me of him, and was much pleased with him. I have

the honor to be, &c. &c.

B. FRANKLIN."

Just after I had despatched these letters, I received the following

from Mr Adams.

* * * * *

JOHN ADAMS TO B. FRANKLIN.

Amsterdam, April 16th, 1782.

"Sir,

"Yesterday noon, Mr William Vaughan, of London, came to my house with

Mr Laurens, the son of the President, and brought me a line from the

latter, and told me the President was at Haerlem, and desired to see

me. I went to Haerlem and found my old friend at the Golden Lion. He

told me he was come partly for his health and the pleasure of seeing

me, and partly to converse with me, and see if he had at present just

ideas and views of things, at least to see if we agreed in sentiment,

having been desired by several of the new Ministry to do so. I asked

him if he was at liberty? He said no, that he was still under parole,

but at liberty to say what he pleased to me. I told him that I could

not communicate to him, being a prisoner, even his own instructions,

nor enter into any consultation with him as one of our colleagues in

the commission for peace; that all I should say to him would be as one

private citizen conversing with another; but that upon all such

occasions, I should reserve a right to communicate whatever should

pass to our colleagues and allies.

"He said that Lord Shelburne, and others of the new Ministers, were

anxious to know whether there was any authority to treat of a separate

peace, and whether there could be an accommodation upon any terms

short of independence; that he had ever answered them that nothing

short of an express or tacit acknowledgment of our independence, in

his opinion, would ever be accepted, and that no treaty ever would, or

could be made separate from France. He asked me, if his answers had

been right? I told him that I was fully of that opinion. He said that

the new Ministers had received Digges's report, but his character was

such, that they did not choose to depend upon it; that a person by the

name of Oswald, I think, set off for Paris to see you, about the same

time he came away to see me.

"I desired him, between him and me, to consider, without saying

anything of it to the Ministry, whether we could ever have a real

peace, with Canada or Nova Scotia in the hands of the English? And

whether we ought not to insist, at least, upon a stipulation, that

they should keep no standing army, or regular troops, nor erect any

fortifications upon the frontiers of either? That, at present, I saw

no motive that we had to be anxious for a peace, and if the nation was

not ripe for it upon proper terms, we might wait patiently till they

should be so.

"I found the old gentleman perfectly sound in his system of politics.

He has a very poor opinion, both of the integrity and abilities of the

new Ministry, as well as the old. He thinks they know not what they

are about; that they are spoiled by the same insincerity, duplicity,

falsehood, and corruption, with the former. Lord Shelburne still

flatters the King with ideas of conciliation and a separate peace, &c.

yet the nation, and the best men in it, are for universal peace and an

express acknowledgment of American independence, and many of the best

are for giving up Canada and Nova Scotia. His design seemed to be

solely to know how far Digges's report was true. After an hour or two

of conversation, I returned to Amsterdam, and left him to return to

London.

"These are all but artifices to raise the stocks, and if you think of

any method to put a stop to them, I will cheerfully concur with you.

They now know sufficiently, that our commission is to treat of a

general peace, and with persons vested with equal powers; and if you

agree to it, I will, never to see another messenger that is not a

Plenipotentiary.

"It is expected that the seventh Province, Guelderland, will this day

acknowledge American Independence. I think we are in such a situation

now, that we ought not, upon any consideration, to think of a truce,

or anything short of an express acknowledgment of the sovereignty of

the United States. I should be glad, however, to know your sentiments

upon this point. I have the honor to be, &c.

JOHN ADAMS.

To the above, I immediately wrote the following answer.

* * * * *

TO JOHN ADAMS.

Passy, April 21st, 1782.

"Sir,

"I have just received the honor of yours, dated the 16th instant,

acquainting me with the interview between your Excellency and Mr

Laurens. I am glad to learn, that his political sentiments coincide

with ours, and that there is a disposition in England to give us up

Canada and Nova Scotia.

"I like your idea of seeing no more messengers, that are not

Plenipotentiaries; but I cannot refuse seeing again Mr Oswald, as the

Minister here considered the letter to me from Lord Shelburne as a

kind of authentication given that messenger, and expects his return

with some explicit propositions. I shall keep you advised of whatever

passes.

"The late act of Parliament, for exchanging American prisoners _as

prisoners of war_, according to the law of nations, _anything in their

commitments notwithstanding_, seems to me a renunciation of their

pretensions to try our people as subjects guilty of high treason, and

to be a kind of tacit acknowledgment of our independency. Having taken

this step, it will be less difficult for them to acknowledge it

expressly. They are now preparing transports to send the prisoners

home. I yesterday sent the passports desired of me.

"Sir George Grand shows me a letter from Mr Fizeaux, in which he says,

that if advantage is taken of the present enthusiasm in favor of

America, a loan might be obtained in Holland, of five or six millions

of florins, for America, and if their house is empowered to open it,

he has no doubt of success; but that no time is to be lost. I

earnestly recommend this matter to you, as extremely necessary to the

operations of our financier, Mr Morris, who, not knowing that the

greatest part of the last five millions had been consumed by purchase

of goods, &c. in Europe, writes me advice of large drafts, that he

shall be obliged to make upon me this summer.

"This Court has granted us six millions of livres for the current

year; but it will fall vastly short of our occasions, there being

large orders to fulfil, and near two millions and a half to pay M.

Beaumarchais, besides the interest, bills, &c. The house of Fizeaux

and Grand is now appointed banker for France, by a special commission

from the King, and will, on that, as well as other accounts be, in my

opinion, the fittest for this operation. Your Excellency being on the

spot can better judge of the terms, &c. and manage with that house the

whole business, in which I should be glad to have no other concern

than that of receiving assistance from it, when pressed by the dreaded

drafts. With great respect, I am, Sir, &c.

B. FRANKLIN."

In reply to this, Mr Adams wrote to me as follows.

* * * * *

JOHN ADAMS TO B. FRANKLIN.

Amsterdam, May 2d, 1782.

"Sir,

"I am honored with your favor of the 20th of April, and Mr Laurens's

son proposes to carry the letter to his father forthwith. The

instructions by the courier from Versailles came safe, as all other

despatches by that channel no doubt will do. The correspondence with

Mr Hartley I received by Captain Smedley, and will take the first good

opportunity by a private hand to return it, as well as that with the

Earl of Shelburne.

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