_Sunday, July 13._--Went to Bishop Luscombe's service. He preached.

In our return, we looked into the Chapelle Expiatore--one certainly of

the most touching spots of Paris. Under the statues of Louis XVI. and

Marie Antoinette respectively are inscribed their last words--golden

words indeed--which can hardly be read, especially on the spot

where their bodies rested for twenty-one years, without tears. In the

evening we went to the Ecole des Frères Chrétiens, 6. Rue du Fleurus,

and were conducted by some of the brethren to the most extraordinary

scene we have witnessed in France. It was a meeting held in the parish

church of S. Marguerite, to give prizes to the assiduous members of

the society of S. Francois Xavier, which is composed of artizans, who

attend periodically to be instructed. After Vespers and Compline,

Monseigneur the Archbishop of Chalcedoine was introduced, under whom

the séance was held. The curé then briefly stated the course of

proceedings, and presently commenced a dispute between M. l'Abbé

Massard, prêtre directeur, and M. l'Abbé Croze, on the subject whether

there were or were not miracles; the former maintaining the negative,

the latter the affirmative. The usual philosophical objections were

put by l'Abbé Massard, very fairly and with great vivacity, and were

answered by l'Abbé Croze with vivacity still greater and superior

ingenuity. Constant approbation and laughter attended both question

and answer, there being a large number of women outside the barrier in

the aisles, the workmen members occupying the nave, and all seemed to

relish to the utmost the nature of the colloquy. It was, indeed,

extremely well imagined to convey to minds of that class a ready

answer to specious philosophical objections against the truth of

religion; and, though no doubt previously arranged by the two

disputants, had all the air of being poured forth with extreme

volubility on the spur of the moment. To give a notion of the

thing:--"M. Massard proposed the subject of Miracles; and on being

asked, What about miracles? said, he should dispute against them.

L'Abbé Croze asked him what he meant by miracles. M. Massard began,

personating an eager and hasty infidel, with a rough account of them.

'I don't mean to give a philosophical definition; I mean what every

body means--an extraordinary thing, such as one never saw--in fact, an

impossible thing.' L'Abbé Croze complained that this was too vague,

and gave his own definition--'an act surpassing human power, and out

of the ordinary course of nature, and which consequently must be

referred to some supernatural power.' L'Abbé Massard then made a

speech of some length about the impossibility of miracles, and the

absurdity of some that were found in history, and concluded by denying

all. M. Croze made him begin to repeat his arguments one by one,

saying, he would then serve him as Horatius did the Curiatii. M.

Massard said, in repetition, 'God cannot work a miracle, for it would

be a disorder; it would be against his own laws,' &c. L'Abbé Croze

said, 'he could not see why He, who makes the sun rise every day,

might not stop it one day, as the maker of a watch can stop the

watch. A miracle is no exertion of force in the Almighty, no more than

for one who walks to stop walking an instant,' &c. M. Massard changed

his ground, and"--_M._--urged Hume's argument, that even if a miracle

were acted before our eyes, we could have no proofs that it was a

miracle equal in force to the antecedent improbability that a miracle

would be done. M. Croze pulled this to pieces, to the great amusement

of the auditory. 'What,' said he, 'can anything be more ridiculous

than to tell me that proofs are wanted, when a miracle is done before

my eyes? If I see a man whom I well know in the last stage of

sickness, witness afterwards his death and burial, and, a year or two

after that, that man reappears before my eyes, do I want any proof of

the miracle? If I meet an ass in the street and say to him, Ass,

speak, philosophise; and he forthwith opens his mouth and argues, do I

want any proof that it is a miracle? If I meet an ox going along, and

I say, Ox, fly; and he flies, do I want proof of the miracle? If one

evening all the women in Paris were to become dumb, and could not

speak'--here a burst of laughter broke from all parts of the church,

and it was some time before the orator triumphant could proceed. "M.

Massard said, 'Well, but there have been sorcerers and magicians who

performed miracles; Moses was met by sorcerers who did the same

miracles that he did.' Croze--'Not the same: they imitated one or two,

but then failed.' He went on with an eloquent apostrophe to Moses,

ending with an allusion to the final plague; and then he went on

further to illustrate the difference between divine and diabolical

miracles, by the history of St. Peter and Simon Magus. M. Massard

said, 'But if any one were to work as many miracles by the power of

the devil as are recorded in Holy Scripture, must we then believe

him?' M. Croze--'No; we have been told that Antichrist will work

miracles at the end of the world; but we are assured that God has

wrought them in proof of His religion, and He cannot have deceived us.

Therefore we may safely reject any pretended revelation that is

contrary to what we have received.'"--_M._

The last question was, 'You have well proved that there can be, and

have been, miracles, but now I wish to put an objection to you, which

I think you will find it very hard to answer. How is it that God works

no miracles now?' M. Croze rejoins, 'Is that your great difficulty?

There are fifty answers I might give you. As, for instance, that God

does not choose to work them now, and certainly we have no right to

ask His reasons; or, that now His religion is established, it has no

need of the confirmation of miracles. These and numberless other

answers might be given, but I prefer showing you, that it is not

at all desirable miracles should be worked. Two medical charlatans

once went into a town, and, in order to get themselves practice,

instead of putting out that they had specific remedies for the gout,

or the liver, or the digestion, or what not, they declared, on that

day three weeks, they would go in broad daylight into the cemetery and

raise to life any whom they were asked to raise, however long he had

been dead. The bait took; their house in the mean time was besieged

with patients, for it was naturally supposed that they, who could

raise the dead, could cure the living. In the mean time, as the day

approached, the more timid said to the other, 'What shall we do, for

if we do not raise the dead man we shall certainly be stoned.' 'Don't

be afraid,' said the other, 'I know mankind better than that;' and,

indeed, the next day a middle-aged man came to them, and offered them

a considerable sum if they would go away without raising the dead.

'Ah! Messieurs,' said he, 'j'avais une si méchante femme.' Another

burst of laughter throughout the church. 'I had such a shrew of a

wife. God in his goodness has been pleased to relieve me of her; if

she should be the one you pitch upon, I should be a lost man.'

Presently came two young men, and said, 'Ah! Messieurs, an old man

died the other day and left us a great fortune: if you raise him up, I

am afraid we shall be lost men, for he will certainly take it from us

again.' Not long after came the magistrates, who had reason to

fear lest a certain person, who was now quietly out of the way, should

return to life and trouble them. And they besought and authorised our

charlatans to leave the city before the appointed day. So you see it

would be a very undesirable thing to have the power to work miracles.

So I might answer you; but I, for my part, believe there have been

miracles in modern times.' Here he cited some, which I did not catch.

Such was the nature of this conférence between M. Massard and M.

Croze, which latter had a countenance remarkable for finesse and

subtilty and comic humour. Profaneness to the church was supposed to

be guarded against by stretching a curtain before the altar at some

little distance.

This was followed by an energetic and rhetorical sermon from L'Abbé

Frappaz, on the love of Christ, and on faith, hope, and charity, which

was listened to with great attention, and applauded more than once.

"After this they sang 'Monstra te esse matrem' to a lively hopping

air."--_M._

Then came a long distribution of prizes, in books and pictures, to the

most attentive members, which were delivered to each by the Archbishop

of Chalcedoine, while at intervals the choir struck out verses of a

hymn in honour of St. Francis Xavier, which was echoed through the

church. In the mean time the curtain had been withdrawn, and the altar

brilliantly lighted up for a salut pontificalement célébré.

This, however, we did not stay for, as it was already past ten.

_Monday, July 14._--We went up to Montmartre, having a letter for the

curé; but we found that he had moved to Charenton, behind Père la

Chaise. Round the church there is a small garden, with the Stations,

which terminate on the north side in a Calvary; there are the three

crosses, and figures as large as life, on a little rocky eminence;

beneath is the sepulchre, with a recess for the body, a window and two

doors: on the south side a small chapel of Notre Dame des Sept

Douleurs, in which she is represented with Christ in her arms.

Underneath is the following inscription, which we copied as a specimen

of expressions, such as, though unauthorised by the Roman Church, are

continually found in and about churches, and do much harm:--

"Ne sortez pas du Calvaire sans invoquer Notre Dame des Sept Douleurs.

Elle pleine de grace, le soutien des malheureux, la consolation des

affligés, le refuge des pécheurs, et des opprimés.

"Elle vient du mont Valérien; elle opère des grands prodiges,

adressons nous à elle avec confiance; elle nous sera propice, et nous

consolera dans nos peines. Priez pour nous, Mère de Dieu, qui avons

recours à vous."

We showed this to M. Galais in the evening: he censured it, declared

it was contrary to the rule, which required that no such thing should

be set up without the authority of the Bishop, and said he would

have it made known to the Archbishop of Paris.

The church is very old, plain and ugly outside; its apse misappropriated

into a telegraph station; inside it is a little better: Norman in

style. The chief interest about it to us was that here St. Ignatius de

Loyola made his first profession.

We enjoyed the prospect of Paris from the hill below; but that of

London is, I think, finer; for this _general_ view wants grievously

the towers and spires of the middle ages: in that vast expanse there

are but few buildings which soar above the common range. Notre Dame,

S. Jacques de la Boucherie, The Pantheon, Les Invalides, and one or

two others, seem as nothing in that great city.

We visited M. Galais again this afternoon, as he was going out to

their maison de campagne, for his retreat of eight days, to-morrow. He

was reciting his Breviary when we entered his chamber; he begged

permission to continue, then knelt down for the Lord's Prayer, and

after that talked with us above an hour. He also took us to the

Supérieur. I told him we were desirous to learn all we could of their

discipline. He said the seminaries had been originally established

with a view to cultivate the interior life, and as places of religious

recueillement,--the young men going to the Sorbonne for instruction.

All this had been put a stop to at the Revolution; and now, the

university being under the direction of infidels, they were obliged to

make their seminaries serve for instruction as well as for works of

piety. They wished to have a chair of Ecclesiastical History. He

inquired about the state of Christian philosophy at Oxford, and said

they looked for something to be done on that subject, where the stress

of the battle with infidelity now lies. He also asked whether as

careful a guard was kept over young men preparing for orders as with

them: on which point we were ashamed to answer. M. Galais invited us

to their maison de campagne, and we agreed to go on Saturday.

_Tuesday, July 15._--We ventured to call on the Père Lacordaire, and

were richly rewarded for our boldness, inasmuch as we had more than an

hour's very animated talk with him. Behold a veritable monk, a St.

Bernard as it were, returned again in the vigour of manhood; in his

white Dominican dress he looked the very beau idéal of the Church's

warrior, armed at all points for the encounter with heresy, and

walking serene and fearless amid the troubles of life and the shock of

falling systems. A fresh and rosy countenance, a keen dark eye, and

most animated expression, contributed to form one of the most striking

figures I have ever beheld. I thought it was worth coming to Paris to

see him. Perhaps the knowledge that he was a most eloquent preacher

had something to do with this feeling. "I asked him about the

Tiers Ordre de S. Dominic. He said that it was under no vow, but they

might add to their profession the vow of celibacy (chastity they call

it always), or that of obedience, or both. The rule, as modified by

authoritative dispensations, may be observed with tolerable ease by

persons living in society. Father Lacordaire himself, as superior of

the Dominicans in France, has received from Rome certain dispensations

for those who may embrace the third order; and there are already some

fifty of them, if I remember right, in Paris."--_M._

We talked about the Anglican movement. He spoke also of the miserable

state of the University in France; that, instead of being local, it

was extended every where, and so had no body, no coherence. Its

professors were bandied about, from one end of France to the other, at

the pleasure of the government. He said they were engaged in a great

contest for the liberty of the religious orders: that was nearly won:

it would certainly arrive. Protestantism showed its deadness by

producing no monastic institutions: there was no sign more convincing

to his mind than this. If we had a true spring of life among us, how

could we have failed to put forth what is so undeniably accordant with

the spirit of the cross? After we had talked some time, I said, 'I

should like to put a question to you. Suppose a person of intelligence,

of perfect good faith, who is ready to make any sacrifice for religion,

who uses all possible means to attain to the truth; suppose such a

person, firmly convinced that the English Church is a branch of the

Catholic Church; though unhappily separated from the Roman Church;

would you condemn him--that is, put him out of the pale of salvation?'

'Monsieur,' said he, 'there is only one thing which can excuse a

person for not belonging to the Church, and that is invincible

ignorance. You know in certain cases even the heathen may be saved.

But such a person cannot be in invincible ignorance; for there are

only three things by which a man can be prevented from seeing the

truth: either the truth in itself must be of insufficient power to

convince him; or there must be a defect of understanding; or a

corruption of will. But the first is out of the question. The truth of

itself must always be sufficient: to suppose otherwise would be to

censure God. Either then there must be a defect of understanding, but

in the cases of the leaders of the Anglican movement, that is out of

the question, because they are men of great powers of mind, of great

distinction; there remains only then the corruption of the will,

which, indeed, is often so subtle, that men are unconscious of its

influence. Nevertheless, in the sight of God it is the will which in

such cases leads astray, and then such men are condemned, and cannot

plead invincible ignorance--when indeed you come to the individual, I

will not attempt to judge: it is written, "nolite judicare," for it is

utterly impossible for any human being to know the inward state of

another. But I only say of the class that such persons cannot plead

invincible ignorance--for the truth itself, as I have said, cannot be

insufficient; and their intellectual powers are such, that in these

also there can be no impediment; consequently the obstacle must be in

the will, however unconscious the individual may be of it. A thousand

considerations of family, of fortune, of habit, and what not, surround

a man, and insensibly warp him, but he is still under condemnation,

for it is his own will that is corrupt. If I were to go into a public

square in Paris and raise three men from the dead, would all that saw

it believe?' 'Certainly not,' I said. 'Why then is that? There is some

secret obstacle in their will.' We tried in vain to make him

understand that a person might be conscientiously convinced, after the

most patient study, that the Church of England was part of the true

Church, but in vain. It was plainly an idea that he could not and

would not receive.

I put the case of the Greek and Russian Churches. He exempted the poor

and illiterate from censure, but in the case of the instructed he said

it must be the spirit of schism which secretly turned them away from

the truth. I said there were bishops and monks and multitudes of

persons of a devoted and severe life on their side, who failed to see

the claims of the Roman See. 'Ah,' he said, 'it has always been so; in

our Saviour's time they ascribed his miracles to Beelzebub; how was it

that they who saw Lazarus raised from the dead went and informed the

chief priests of it?' In short, so complete a conviction of the truth

of the whole Roman system possessed his mind, that he was utterly

unable to conceive a person of ability and sincerity coming to any

other conclusion. We only put the case hypothetically, but he would

not admit it even so; he said, it is morally and metaphysically

impossible.

"I said, 'I wish I could show you the interior of a mind like that of

----. Born and educated in Anglicanism, he has given great attention

to religious truth, and in particular to the points in question. He

has no desire but to be in the Catholic Church and to labour for it,

but he believes that the Church of England is a branch of it,

unhappily separated for a time by peculiar circumstances from the

rest; and now in a state of appeal. In remaining where he is, he

believes he is doing his duty. What do you think of such a case?' He

said, 'I cannot judge of individuals,' but, &c. over again. He spoke

as if he did not know much of England. I said to him, 'the question

after all is one of fact: there are facts in England with which you

are not acquainted.'"--_M._

He did not seem acquainted with the peculiarities of our position. He

spoke with great energy and ability. I can fancy what his force in the

pulpit must be.

We went to M. D'Alzon, who conducted us to Dom Guéranger; he received

us with great kindness. The Pope has just erected a bishopric at

Perth, in New South Wales, and one of his élèves is going out there;

he suddenly resolved upon it three weeks ago, and seems quite in high

spirits at the thought of it. There are now one Roman Catholic

archbishopric and three bishoprics there,--Sydney, Hobartown,

Adelaide, and Perth. They said Dr. Flaget, Bishop of Bardstown, had

been sent out with his pontifical and a paper mitre; 'as for his

cross,' said Dom Guéranger, 'he could cut that out of a tree.' We put

nearly the same question to him as to the Père Lacordaire, but he was

more indulgent in his answer. He said, provided such a person was

strictly sincere, and used every means to discover the truth, he must

be judged to belong to the soul of the Church, though he was separated

from its body, and would be saved. He said our formularies for the

consecration of bishops and priests were deficient, so that, granting

the succession even, it would be more than doubtful whether they were

true bishops and priests; but being pressed he admitted that the Roman

Church had never yet been called upon to decide the point, and

that in fact it was not decided, though there was a general opinion

among them about it. When I told him that Coleridge had collected

50,000_l._ for St. Augustine's, and what was the object of it, he was

much astonished. 'If you English were restored to the Church,' he

said, 'you would evangelise the world; Spaniards and Portuguese,

Italians and French, must yield to you, with the resources you

command.' Talking of liturgies, he remarked spontaneously, how those

of the East were full of addresses to the Blessed Virgin: half or a

third of every page was devoted to her. They went before the Roman

Church in that respect. When the Council of Ephesus gave her the title

of 'Mother of God,' there were public rejoicings throughout the city

in consequence. He did not seem to like admitting that the prayers of

St. Ephrem to the Blessed Virgin were not authentic; said it was his

style. (Morris tells me the style of his Syriac works is very

different from that of his Greek, and the matter much deeper.) At

parting he expressed a wish, that if we came to Paris again, we would

come and see him. We took a look at the beautiful chapel of the

Sœurs Garde-Malades, with fresh admiration of it. We had expressed

a wish to M. D'Alzon to see some sackcloth and instruments of

penitence; so he took us to a house of Carmelite nuns of St. Therèse,

near the Luxembourg: one of them conversed behind the grille and

curtain, which was quite impervious to the sight on both sides. It is

part of their special duty to pray for the conversion of Protestants.

These Carmelites discipline themselves every Friday. The sister showed

us some of their instruments of discipline; corporal austerities,

however, by all that we could learn, are not common, nor are they

generally allowed by confessors, partly that the health of few will

allow of them; partly, there is a danger of pride thence arising.

_Wednesday, July 16._--M. D'Alzon came and breakfasted with us, and

afterwards took us to the establishment of the Frères Chrétiens, Rue

du Faubourg St. Martin, 165., where the Supérieur Général, Frère

Philippe, received us. There was little to see in the house, as they

expected the Strasburg railway would come through them and drive them

away. He said the number of brethren altogether was 4000; of pupils

under them, adult and children, 198,000: they increase yearly. They

were almost dispersed at the first revolution, but returned again

through Cardinal Fesch, who found four of the brethren, who had taken

refuge at Lyons, and brought them to Paris. Frère Philippe is very

plain and homely: his picture, by Horace Vernet, has made a great

sensation here.

M. D'Alzon then took me to a house of priests in the Rue de la

Planche. I had a long talk with two of them. The first was a

confessor to a penitentiary, in which eighty women are received at the

cost of the city of Paris. His account of their penitence was

touching. It is rare that any leave them without being thoroughly

changed, provided they stay long enough. But the picture which he gave

of the depravity general in Paris on this head was frightful. It is a

wonderful spectacle, the close contact into which the most sublime

self-devotion and the most abandoned sensuality are brought in this

great city; on the one hand, consider the daily prayers and

mortifications, and works of charity of those Carmelites, who are ever

engaged in interceding for the conversion of sinners; of those nuns of

the Adoration, who are ever contemplating the most wonderful of

mysteries; of those Ladies of the Assumption, who dedicate the talents

and accomplishments God has given them, under the vows of poverty,

obedience, and chastity, to the direct furtherance of his kingdom; of

those solitary and homeless priests--without father and without

mother, without ties of family or worldly possessions, truly after the

order of Melchisedec--who are ever offering the most holy Sacrifice,

and building up the mystical body: on the other hand, think of that

gulph of libertinage and selfishness, which is ever swallowing fresh

victims--hearts young and unsuspicious, warm and confiding--polluting

body and soul with the dregs of uncleanness, and hurrying them

away too often into the presence of the Judge. No tale of misery ever

told in fiction surpasses that which is daily enacting in Paris again

and again. Amid such things we live, and truly we have need both to

pray ourselves, and to call upon all spirits of the just made perfect

to intercede for us and for our brethren. And yet it is the same flesh

and blood--the same body, soul, and spirit--the same _man_, which is

thus fearfully working for the devil, or thus heroically fighting for

God. O mystery of the grace of God and of the human will, which is

past finding out!

In the evening we visited, for a short time, the church of Notre Dame

de Lorette, which is sumptuously decorated inside with paintings all

over; it has a double row of pillars each side. The subjects seem

chosen with great judgment, and the legends are more truly Catholic

than one often sees. The expense of this church must have been

enormous. We also looked into La Madeleine--very beautiful indeed it

is, and as grand as the Grecian style can be, but it furnishes one

with the best proof that such is not the proper style for a church.

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