CHAPTER VII.

DISCOURSES ON DEITY AND MAN.[A]

[Footnote A: In these discourses, it will be observed that in speaking

of man reference is made only to the pre-existence of his spirit, and

his being "begotten" a spirit by the heavenly Father; no reference is

made to the eternal intelligence of man, the "ego" that was not created

or made, "neither indeed can be," as set forth at pages 99 to 102. The

brethren in these discourses are not dealing with that phase of the

subject; their purpose is met by referring merely to the pre-existence

of the spirits of men.

This remark also opens a way for a word which really should have been

spoken when explaining our views in relation to the immortality of

man, at pages 99 to 102. I mean the distinction that exists between

"generation" and "creation;" between a being "begotten," and a thing

"created," or "made." And here, somewhat to my surprise, I may quote

with approval one of the very eminent "Christian Fathers." "Let it be

repeated," he remarks, "that a created thing is external to the nature

of the being who creates; but a generation is the proper offspring of

the nature" [of him who begets it]. And this Athanasius, the "Christian

Father" referred to, puts forth in explaining how the Son of God is

consubstantial, i. e., of the same substance, or essence, with the

Father, And he remarks further, by way of illustration: "It were

madness to say that a house is co-essential or con-substantial with

the builder: or a ship with the shipwright; but it is proper to say,

that every son is co-essential or consubstantial with his father."

(The foregoing extracts from Athanasius are quoted by Shedd, History

Christian Doctrine, Vol. I, p. 322.)

I call attention to this distinction that when in our literature we

say "God created the spirits of men," it is understood that they were

"begotten," We mean "generation," not "creation." Intelligences, which

are eternal, uncreated, self-existing beings, are begotten spirits,

and these afterwards begotten men. When intelligences are "begotten"

spirits they are of the nature of him who begets them--sons of God, and

con-substantial with their Father.]

I.

PRESIDENT BRIGHAM YOUNG.[A]

_To Know God is Eternal Life._

[Footnote A: This discourse was delivered in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake

City, February 8, 1857. _Journal of Discourses_, Vol. IV, pp. 215 _et

seq_.]

It is one of the first principles of the doctrine of salvation to

become acquainted with our Father and our God. The Scriptures teach

that this is eternal life, to "know thee, the only true God, and Jesus

Christ whom thou hast sent;" this is as much as to say that no man can

enjoy or be prepared for eternal life without that knowledge.

You hear a great deal of preaching upon this subject; and when people

repent of their sins, they will get together, and pray and exhort each

other, and try to get the spirit of revelation, try to have God their

Father revealed to them, that they may know him and become acquainted

with him.

There are some plain, simple facts that I wish to tell you, and I have

but one desire in this, which is, that you should have understanding to

receive them, to treasure them up in your hearts, to contemplate upon

these facts, for they are simple facts, based upon natural principles;

there is no mystery about them when once understood.

I want to tell you, each and every one of you, that you are well

acquainted with God our heavenly Father, or the great Eloheim. You are

all well acquainted with him, for there is not a soul of you but what

has lived in his house and dwelt with him year after year; and yet you

are seeking to become acquainted with him, when the fact is, you have

merely forgotten what you did know. I told you a little last Sabbath

about forgetting things.

There is not a person here today but what is a son or a daughter of

that Being. In the spirit world their spirits were first begotten and

brought forth, and they lived there with their parents for ages before

they came here. This, perhaps, is hard for many to believe, but it is

the greatest nonsense in the world not to believe it. If you do not

believe it, cease to call him "Father;" and when you pray, pray to some

other character.

It would be inconsistent in you to disbelieve what I think you know,

and then to go home and ask the Father to do so and so for you. The

Scriptures which we believe have taught us from the beginning to call

him our Father, and we have been taught to pray to him as our Father,

in the name of our eldest brother whom we call Jesus Christ, the Savior

of the world; and that Savior, while here on earth, was so explicit

on this point, that he taught his disciples to call no man on earth

father, for we have one which is in heaven. He is the Savior, because

it is his right to redeem the remainder of the family pertaining to the

flesh on this earth; if any of you do not believe this, tell us how and

what we should believe. If I am not telling you the truth, please to

tell me the truth on this subject, and let me know more than I do know.

If it is hard for you to believe, if you wish to be Latter-day Saints,

admit the fact, as I state it, and do not contend against it. Try to

believe it, because you will never become acquainted with our Father,

never enjoy the blessings of his Spirit, never be prepared to enter

into his presence, until you most assuredly believe it; therefore you

had better try to believe this great mystery about God.

I do not marvel that the world is clad in mystery, to them he is an

unknown God; they cannot tell where he dwells nor how he lives, nor

what kind of a being he is in appearance or character. They want to

become acquainted with his character and attributes, but they know

nothing of them. This is in consequence of the apostasy that is now in

the world. They have departed from the knowledge of God, transgressed

his laws, changed his ordinances, and broken the everlasting covenant,

so that the whole earth is defiled under the inhabitants thereof.

Consequently it is no mystery to us that the world knoweth not God,

but it would be a mystery to me, with what I now know, to say that we

cannot know anything of him. We are his children.

To bring the truth of this matter close before you, I will instance

your fathers who made the first permanent settlement in New England.

There are a good many in this congregation whose fathers landed upon

Plymouth Rock in the year 1620. Those fathers began to spread abroad;

they had children, those children had children, and their children had

children, and here are we their children. I am one of them, and many of

this congregation belong to that class. Now ask yourselves this simple

question upon natural principles, has the species altered? Were not

the people who landed at Plymouth Rock the same species with us? Were

they not organized as we are? Were not their countenances similar to

ours? Did they not converse, have knowledge, read books? Were there not

mechanics among them, and did they not understand agriculture, etc., as

we do? Yes, every person admits this.

Now follow our fathers further back and take those who first came to

the island of Great Britain, were they the same species of beings as

those who came to America? Yes, all acknowledge this; this is upon

natural principles. Thus you may continue and trace the human family

back to Adam and Eve, and ask, "are we of the same species with Adam

and Eve?" Yes, every person acknowledges this; this comes within the

scope of our understanding.

But when we arrive at that point, a vail is dropt, and our knowledge

is cut off. Were it not so, you could trace back your history to the

Father of our spirits in the eternal world. He is a being of the same

species as ourselves: he lives as we do, except the difference that

we are earthly, and he is heavenly. He has been earthly, and is of

precisely the same species of being that we are. Whether Adam is the

personage that we should consider our heavenly Father, or not, is

considerable of a mystery to a good many. I do not care for one moment

how that is; it is no matter whether we are to consider him our God, or

whether his Father, or his Grandfather, for in either case we are of

one species--of one family--and Jesus Christ is also of our species.

You may hear the divines of the day extol the character of the Savior,

undertake to exhibit his true character before the people, and give an

account of his origin.

Now to the facts in the case; all the difference between Jesus Christ

and any other man that ever lived on the earth, from the days of Adam

until now, is simply this, the Father, after he had once been in the

flesh, and lived as we live, obtained his exaltation, attained to

thrones, gained the ascendancy over principalities and powers, and had

the knowledge and power to create--to bring forth and organize the

elements upon natural principles. This he did after his ascension, or

his glory, or his eternity, and was actually classed with the Gods,

with the beings who create, with those who have kept the celestial

law while in the flesh, and again obtained their bodies. Then he was

prepared to commence the work of creation, as the Scriptures teach.

It is all here in the Bible; I am not telling you a word but what is

contained in that book.

Things were first created spiritually; the Father actually begat the

spirits, and they were brought forth and lived with him. Then he

commenced the work of creating earthly tabernacles, precisely as he

had been created in this flesh himself, by partaking of the coarse

material that was organized and composed this earth, until his system

was charged with it, consequently the tabernacles of his children were

organized from the coarse materials of this earth.

When the time came that his first-born, the Savior, should come into

the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came himself and favored

that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do

it. The Savior was begotten by the Father of his spirit, by the same

Being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic

difference between Jesus Christ and you and me. And the difference

there is between our Father and us consists in that he has gained his

exaltation, and has obtained eternal lives. The principle of eternal

lives is an eternal existence, eternal duration, eternal exaltation.

Endless are his kingdoms, endless his thrones and his dominions, and

endless are His posterity; they never will cease to multiply from this

time henceforth and forever.

To you who are prepared to enter into the presence of the Father and

the Son, what I am now telling will eventually be no more strange

than are the feelings of a person who returns to his father's house,

brethren, and sisters, and enjoys the society of his old associates,

after an absence of several years upon some distant island. Upon

returning he would be happy to see his father, his relatives and

friends. So also if we keep the celestial law when our spirits go to

God who gave them, we shall find that we are acquainted there and

distinctly realize that we know all about that world.

Tell me that you do not know anything about God! I will tell you one

thing, it would better become you to lay your hands upon your mouths

and them in the dust, and cry, "unclean, unclean."

Whether you receive these things or not, I tell you them in simplicity.

I lay them before you like a child, because they are perfectly simple.

If you see and understand these things, it will be by the Spirit of

God; you will receive them by no other spirit. No matter whether they

are told to you like the thunderings of the Almighty, or by simple

conversation; if you enjoy the Spirit of the Lord, it will tell you

whether they are right or not.

I am acquainted with my Father. I am as confident that I understand

in part, see in part, and know and am acquainted with him in part, as

I am that I was acquainted with my earthly father who died in Quincy,

Illinois, after we were driven from Missouri. My recollection is

better with regard to my earthly father than it is in regard to my

heavenly Father; but as to knowing of what species he is, and how he is

organized, and with regard to his existence, I understand it in part

as well as I understand the organization and existence of my earthly

father. That is my opinion about it, and my opinion to me is just as

good as yours is to you; and if you are of the same opinion you will be

satisfied as I am.

I know my heavenly Father and Jesus Christ whom he has sent, and this

is eternal life. And if we will do as we have been told this morning,

if you will enter into the spirit of your calling, into the principle

of securing to yourselves eternal lives, eternal existence, eternal

exaltation, it will be well with you.

II.

ELDER ORSON PRATT.[A]

_Salvation Tangible--Personality and Character of God--Jesus our Elder

Brother--Transformation of the Earth--Its Final Destiny._

[Footnote A: This discourse was delivered in the Tabernacle, Salt Lake

City, Nov. 12, 1876.]

As a people the Latter-day Saints have passed through many scenes

trying and afflicting to their natures, and they have endured them

because of the anxiety of their hearts to obtain salvation. People

who are sincere will manifest their sincerity in undergoing great

tribulation, if necessary, for the sake of being saved. This mortal

life is of small consideration, compared with eternal salvation in

the kingdom of the Father. There is nothing pertaining to the things

of this present life that is worthy of being named, in contrast with

the riches of eternal life. Jesus, in speaking upon this subject when

he was on the earth, asks this question: "For what is man profited,

if he gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a

man give in exchange for his soul?" There is nothing so precious,

nothing of so great importance, as that of securing in this life, the

salvation of our souls in the world to come. Far better is it if we

can gain salvation by passing through various scenes of affliction

and persecution in this world, than to give way to its pleasures and

vanities, which can only be enjoyed for a season, and afterwards lose

that eternal reward which God has in store for the righteous.

It is true we look upon our future reward in quite a different light

from the religious world generally. We look for something tangible,

something we can form some degree of rational conception of, having a

resemblance in some measure to the present life. But how very imaginary

are the ideas of the religious world! I do not now refer to the heathen

world, but to the enlightened Christian nations, the two hundred

million of Christians now existing on the earth. If you ask these

people about the future state of man, some will give you one idea and

some another, all more or less, perhaps, differing from each other,

but in the main they all agree, namely, that it is a state entirely

spiritual, that is, unconnected with anything tangible like this

present life, an existence which cannot be conceived of by mortals.

You may think I am misrepresenting our Christian friends. I will

therefore say that for many years now I have been engaged, more

or less, in the study of religion, and have therefore read quite

extensively the ideas of the religious world. I have not accepted

the ideas of a few individuals belonging to the various sects, but I

have appealed to their standard writings, their articles of faith,

which are adopted by the various religious bodies and known as their

creeds. For instance, in the articles of faith of a great many of the

religious sects, an idea like this is set forth--that there is a Being

who is entirely spiritual, called God, and that Being is described as

consisting of three persons, and these three persons are without body,

without parts, without passions. Such is the God that is worshiped by

the Methodists--a people whom I highly respect, and whose meetings

I attended in my early youth more than those of any other religious

denomination. The three persons that compose this one God are the

Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, all of whom are said to be without

bodies or passions; and in connection with this, one of the cardinal

doctrines of their faith, they tell us that one of this holy Trinity,

namely Jesus, was crucified, dead and buried, and that on the third day

he arose again from the dead and ascended into heaven.

When I was a boy, attending the Methodist meetings, as many now do who

are of maturer years, I accepted sincerity for truth. But when I grew

to manhood my attention was called to this article of faith; I tried

in all earnestness to comprehend it, but could not and cannot to this

day. It is one of those incomprehensible things which cannot be grasped

by the human mind. You, my hearers, try now with me for a few moments

to comprehend, if you can, a being consisting of three persons, and

these three persons without any body, parts or passions. I had been

taught, when studying the exact sciences, that everything that existed

was composed of parts, that there could not exist anything as a whole

unless it existed as parts. I could not, therefore, understand how it

was that one of these three persons could be crucified if he had no

body; how it was possible, and be consistent with reason, for him to

lay down his body--something he never possessed--and arise again from

the tomb, taking up that same body. This is indeed a mystery.

Now it so happens that the Scriptures do not teach anything so absurd,

so irreconcilable and so contrary to our senses. This is a man-made

doctrine, the creation of uninspired men. The Methodists did not

originate this doctrine--it existed and was widely believed in before

the days of the good man, John Wesley.

The Latter-day Saints believe that there is a true and living God,

that this true and living God consists of three separate, distinct

persons, which have bodies, parts and passions, which belief is in

direct opposition to this man-made doctrine. We believe that God, the

Eternal Father, who reigns in yonder heavens, is a distinct personage

from Jesus Christ, as much so as an earthly father is distinct in his

existence from his son. That is something I can comprehend, which I

conceive to be the doctrine of revelation. We read about Jesus having

been seen after he arose from the dead. Stephen the Martyr, just before

he was stoned to death, testified to the Jewish people that were

standing before him at the time, saying, "Behold, I see the heavens

opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God." Here,

then, the Father and Jesus, two distinct personages, were seen, and

both had bodies. We find numerous other authorities bearing out this

same idea, I do not intend to dwell upon this subject, because the

greater portion of this congregation understand the scriptural view of

this subject; hence it is not necessary to speak lengthily on it. We

may, however, say a few things with regard to the passions of these

personages.

It is declared, as part of the belief of the Methodists, that God is

without passions. Love is one of the great passions of God. Love is

everywhere declared a passion, one of the noblest passions of the human

heart. This principle of love is one of the attributes of God. "God is

love," says the Apostle John, "and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in

God, and God in him." If, then, this is one of the great attributes of

Jehovah, if he is filled with love and compassion towards the children

of men, if his son Jesus Christ, so loved the world that he gave his

life to redeem mankind from the effects of the fall, then, certainly,

God the Eternal Father must be in possession of this passion. Again, he

possesses the attribute of justice, which is sometimes called anger,

but the real name of this attribute is justice. "He executeth justice,"

says the Psalmist; also, "Justice and judgment are the habitation

of thy throne." Justice is one of the noble characteristics of our

heavenly Father; hence another of his passions (attributes).

We have it recorded too in this sacred Bible, that God was seen by

ancient men of God. Jacob testifies as follows: "For I have seen God

face to face." I know that there are other passages of Scripture, which

would seem to militate against this declaration. For instance there is

one passage which reads, "No man hath seen God at any time." This is

in direct contradiction to the testimony of Jacob. The way I reconcile

this is that no _natural_ man can see the face of God the Father and

live, it would overpower him; but one quickened by the Spirit, as old

father Jacob was, could look upon God and converse with him face to

face, as he says he did, he must have seen a personage, a being, in his

general outlines like unto himself; man, as Moses informs us, having

been created in the image of God.

We might refer to many other passages of Scripture, bearing on this

subject. The Prophet Isaiah saw God; he saw not only the Lord, but a

great congregation in connection with him, so that his train filled

the Temple. He is always represented by those who have seen him as a

personage in the form of man.

Having cited a very few evidences, let us inquire into the character

and being of God, the Eternal Father. We are the offspring of the Lord,

but the rest of animated nature is not; we are just as much the sons

and daughters of God as the children in this congregation are the sons

and daughters of their parents. We are begotten by him. When? Before

we were born in the flesh; this limited state of existence is not our

origin, it is merely the origin of the tabernacle in which we dwell.

The mind we are possessed of, the being that is capable of thinking

and reflecting, that is capable of acting according to the motives

presented to it, that being which is immortal, which dwells within

us, which is capable of reasoning from cause to effect, and which can

comprehend, in some measure, the laws of its Creator, as well as trace

them out as exhibited in universal nature, that being, which we call

the Mind, existed before the tabernacle.

But says one, "that does not look reasonable." Why not? Do you not

believe that the spirit will endure forever? O, yes. You may ask, what

becomes of the spirit, separated from the body of flesh and bones, when

this body lies in the grave? Has it life and intelligence and power to

think and reflect? Let us hear what was said by those who sat under the

altar, who were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which

they held, as seen and heard by John while on Patmos: "And they cried

with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou

not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" The

Lord tells them that they should "rest yet for a little season." These

faithful servants of God are anxiously awaiting the time when the Lord

will avenge their blood. Why? Because that will be the time when their

bodies will be redeemed, they look forward with great anxiety to the

time when they shall be again identified with the fleshly tabernacle

with which they were known and distinguished while on the earth-hence

this prayer.

Here we find another and further existence for the spirits of men

who exist in heaven, who are capable of thinking, of using language,

of understanding the future, and of anticipating that which was to

come. Now, if they could exist after they leave this tabernacle, while

the tabernacle lies mouldering in the dust, why not exist before the

tabernacle had any existence? Was it not just as easy for an existence

to be given to spiritual personages before they took possession of

bodies as it is for them to exist after the body decays? Yes, and these

are our views, founded upon new revelation; not the views of uninspired

men, but founded upon direct revelation from God.

Where did we exist before we came here? With God. Where does he exist?

In the place John denominated heaven. What do we understand heaven to

be? Not the place described by our Christian friends, beyond the bounds

of time and space, for there is no such place, there never was, nor

ever will be; but I mean a tangible world, a heaven that is perfect,

a heaven with materials that have been organized and put together,

sanctified and glorified as the residence and world where God resides.

Born there? Yes, we were born there. Even our great Redeemer whose

death and sufferings we are this afternoon celebrating, was born up in

yonder world before he was born of the Virgin Mary. Have you not read,

in the New Testament, that Jesus Christ was the first-born of every

creature? From this reading it would seem that he was the oldest of the

whole human family, that is, so far as his birth in the spirit world is

concerned. How long ago since that birth took place is not revealed; it

might have been unnumbered millions of years, for aught we know. But we

do know that he was born and was the oldest of the family of spirits.

Have you not also read in the New Testament that he is called our elder

brother? Does this refer to the birth of the body of flesh and bones?

By no means, for there were hundreds of millions who were born upon

our earth before the body of flesh and bones was born whom we call

Jesus. How is it, then, that he is your elder brother? We must go back

to the previous birth, before the foundation of this earth; we have to

go back to past ages, to the period when he was begotten of the Father

among the great family of spirits. He became, by his birthright, the

great Creator. God, through him, created not only this little world,

this speck of creation, but by him the worlds were made and created.

How many we know not, for it has not been revealed. Suffice it to say,

a great many worlds were created by him. Why by him? Because he had

the birth right, he being the oldest of his father's family, and this

birthright entitles him, not only to create worlds, but to become the

Redeemer of those worlds, not only the Redeemer of the inhabitants of

this our earth, but of all the others whom he created by the will and

power of his Father.

But says one, "By that expression one would infer that other worlds

had fallen as well as our own, having doubtless been placed in a state

of temptation, and if so it would be fair to presume that there was

a Garden of Eden to each of these worlds, containing all kinds of

fruit, among which was the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, and

that they became fallen precisely in the same manner as ours did, and

consequently they would need a Redeemer; and, therefore, the people of

these worlds would be redeemed and saved according to their diligence

and faithfulness in keeping the commandments of God?" Have you not read

in the first chapter of Genesis of two persons appearing on this earth

before man was made, when one who was God, said to the other, "Let

us make man in our image, after our likeness?" Does not that bespeak

a pre-existence of another personage besides the Almighty? And have

you not read too in the same chapter that "God created man in his own

image; male and female created he them?" When? It is said to have been

on the sixth period, or, according to King James' translation, "on the

sixth day." Do you mean to say we were all in existence on the sixth

day? Yes. But on the seventh day, we are told in the following chapter,

"there was not a man to till the ground." Is it not very singular that

all should have an existence on the sixth day, and on the following

day there was not a man in existence to till the ground? Why not?

Because man was not yet placed in this temporal creation, but he had

an existence then in heaven, where we were begotten. You and I were

present when this world was created and made--you and I then understood

the nature of its creation, and I have no doubt that we rejoiced and

sang about it. Indeed, the Lord put a very curious question to the

Patriarch Job, _apropos_ of this. He said to him, "Where wast thou when

I laid the foundation of the earth? Where wast thou when the morning

stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"

Supposing Job to be living now, and this same question put to him,

and supposing, too, that, instead of answering it himself, he were to

seek to the learned Christian world for enlightenment on the subject,

what do you think would be the nature of the answer he would receive?

It would be, in effect, "Why Job, when the Lord laid the foundation

of the earth, you had no existence, for you were not born." Why did

not Job so answer the Lord? It was because he understood something

about man's previous estate. He was wise in making no reply to the

Lord, for doubtless he felt himself unable to do so. But we find that

Moses understood the subject, for at the time the children of Israel

transgressed he and his brother Aaron fell upon their faces before the

Lord, and Moses pleading with great power and faith in behalf of the

children of Israel, used these words, "O God, the God of the spirits of

all flesh," etc. He understood that God was the Father of our spirits,

and he addressed him as such. I think too that the apostles in ancient

days must have had an idea of the pre-existence of man, judging from

a certain question which they put to the Savior. It is said that "as

Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. And his

disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his

parents, that he was born blind?"

Let us now consider this question in connection with present modern

ideas, and we shall at once perceive how utterly foolish it will

appear. To state the question fairly in other words we might say,

Master, was this man born blind because he had sinned? The very nature

of this question would indicate to those even who do not believe in

the principle, that this blind man had an existence before he was born

into this world, and that he was capable, too, of committing sin. To

show yet more clearly that the principle of man's pre-existence is

founded on Biblical authority, I will quote you part of the Savior's

prayer to the Father, just prior to his crucifixion--"And now, O Father

glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with

thee before the world was." Here we find Jesus actually referring to

the time he dwelt with his Father before he took upon himself a body of

flesh and bones. He also says, "For I came down from heaven, not to do

mine own will, but the will of him that sent me." He came down from the

presence and abode of his Father. On another occasion while addressing

the Jews, he says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham

was, I am." He was, in fine, the _first_-born of every creature, and

consequently the eldest of our Father's family.

If, therefore, it be now admitted that our Elder Brother had a previous

existence with the Father, why should it be thought unreasonable that

the rest of the family should have a pre-existence as well as the

First Born? He was born according to man in the flesh, and why not his

younger brethren have a similar birth with him in the spirit?

But now this carries us back still further, and invites us to ascertain

a little in relation to his Father. A great many have supposed that God

the Eternal Father, whom we worship in connection with his Son, Jesus

Christ, was always a self-existing, eternal being from all eternity,

that he had no beginning as a personage. But in order to illustrate

this, let us inquire, What is our destiny? If we are now the sons and

daughters of God, what will be our future destiny? The Apostle Paul,

in speaking of man as a resurrected being, says: "Who (Jesus) shall

change our vile body, that it might be fashioned like unto his glorious

body" (Phil. 3:21), which harmonizes with what John says, "It doth not

yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he shall appear we

shall be like him" (I John 3:2). Our bodies will be glorified in the

same manner as his body is; then we shall be truly in his image and

likeness, for as he is immortal, having a body of flesh and bone, so we

will be immortal, possessing bodies of flesh and bones. Will we ever

become gods? Let me refer you to the answer of the Savior to the Jews

when accused of blasphemy because he called himself the Son of God.

Says he, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are Gods? If ye

called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scriptures

cannot be broken." This clearly proves to all Bible believers that in

this world, in our imperfect state, being the children of God, we are

destined, if we keep his commandments, to grow in intelligence until we

finally become like God our Father. By living according to every word

which proceeds from the mouth of God, we shall attain to his likeness,

the same as our children grow up and become like their parents; and, as

children through diligence attain to the wisdom and knowledge of their

parents, so may we attain to the knowledge of our Heavenly parents' and

if they be obedient to this commandment they will not only be called

the sons of God, but be gods.

In the first verse of the 14th chapter of Revelation, we are told that

John saw one hundred and forty-four thousand persons standing with the

Lamb upon Mount Zion, and they had a peculiar name written in their

foreheads--even their Father's name, him whom we call, in our language,

God. Then there will be written upon the foreheads of these hundred and

forty-four thousand this insignia, the Father's name, and they will be

gods; and they will associate with him as do tho Father and his Only

Begotten, that is, his only son begotten in the flesh.

From this we can draw the conclusion that God our Eternal Father, who

is a spiritual being, has a body of flesh and bones, the same as his

children will have after the resurrection.

Says one, to carry it out still further, "if we become gods and are

glorified like unto him, our bodies fashioned like unto his most

glorious body, may not he have passed through a mortal ordeal as we

mortals are now doing?" Why not? If it is necessary for us to gain

experience through the things that are presented before us in this

life, why not those beings who are already exalted and become gods,

obtain their experience in the same way? We would find, were we to

carry this subject from world to world, from our world to another, even

to the endless ages of eternity, that there never was a time but what

there was a Father and Son. In other words when you entertain that

which is endless, you exclude the idea of first being, a first world;

the moment you admit of a first, you limit the idea of endless. * * *

Says one, "this is incomprehensible." It may be so in some respects.

We can admit, though, that duration is endless, for it is impossible

for man to conceive of a limit to it. If duration is endless there

can never be a first minute, a first hour, or first period; endless

duration in the past is made up of a continuation of endless successive

moments--it had no beginning. Precisely so with regard to this endless

succession of personages; there never will be a time when fathers,

and sons, and worlds will not exist; neither was there ever a period

through all the past ages of duration, but what there was a world, and

a Father and Son, a redemption and exaltation to the fullness and power

of the Godhead. This is what Jesus prayed for, and he did not limit his

prayer to his Apostles, but he said, "Neither pray I for these alone,

but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that

they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that

they also may be one in us."

But, says one, "Does not that oneness mean one person?" No; Jesus meant

that those who believed in him through his servants, might be able to

come up to that fullness and glory and power and exaltation which he

inherited, even to the fullness of the celestial glory, to be crowned

with God the Eternal Father, and with his Only Begotten, to be made

equal, as it were, with them, in power and dominion; agreeing with some

modern revelations God has given through the Prophet Joseph Smith. He

said all they that receive this Priesthood, that is, those who receive

the testimony of the servants of God, they receive me; and whosoever

receives my Father, receives my Father's kingdom; whereupon all that my

Father hath shall be given to him. This is a glorious promise, to be

joint heirs with the Son of God in the inheritance of all things, even

the fullness and glory of the celestial world, their bodies eventually

to become glorified, spiritual bodies of flesh and bones, the same as

God the Father.

Before the earth was rolled into existence we were his sons and

daughters. Those of his children who prove themselves during this

probation worthy of exaltation in his presence, will beget other

children, and, precisely according to the same principle, they too will

become fathers of spirits, as he is the Father of our spirits; and thus

the works of God are one eternal round--creation, glorification, and

exaltation in the celestial kingdom.

How many transformations this earth had before it received its present

form of creation, I do not know. Geologists pretend to say that this

earth must have existed many millions of years, and this assertion

is generally made by men who do not believe in God or the Bible, to

disprove the history of the creation of the world, as given by the

Prophet Moses. We will go further than geologists dare to go, and say

that the materials of which the earth is composed are eternal, they

will never have an end.

What is meant by creation? Merely organization. In six days we are

told, God created this world, also every living thing that then

existed. Did he create any of these things out of nothing? Did the

materials then originate? No; there is no Scripture to be found within

the lids of the Old and New Testament, or Book of Mormon, or Doctrine

and Covenants, or in any of the revelations of God, ancient or modern,

that even intimates such a thing, for such was not the case; but go

to the creeds of men and you will find these things taught. I was

taught them in my youth; they were instilled into my young mind, and,

of course, I believed them. But as I matured in years and thought,

especially after I began to study the Hebrew language, I learned that

the material of which this earth was made always did exist, and that it

was only an organization or formation which took place, during the time

spoken of by Moses.

How many transformations this earth passed through before the one

spoken of by Moses, I do not know, neither do I particularly care. If

it had gone through millions on millions of transformations, it is

nothing to us. We are willing, for the sake of argument, to admit that

the materials themselves are as old as geologists dare to say they

are; but then, that does not destroy the idea of a God, that does not

destroy the idea of a great Creator, who, according to certain fixed

and unalterable laws, brought these materials, from time to time, into

a certain organization, and then by his power completed the worlds that

were thus made, by placing thereon intelligent and animated beings,

capable of thinking and having an existence; and then again, for

various reasons, he destroys their earthly existence, until finally he

exalts them from their former condition, and makes them celestial in

their nature.

This is the destiny of this globe of ours; it will eventually attain a

state of organization that will no more be destroyed. When? After God

has fulfilled and accomplished his purposes, after it has rested from

wickedness one thousand years, during which time Satan will not have

power to tempt the children of men, during which time the faithful will

reign, as kings and priests on the earth in their resurrected bodies,

when, too, the kingdom and the greatness of the kingdom under the

whole heaven will be in possession of the Saints of the Most High; not

only in the possession of those who are mortal Saints, but also in the

possession of those who are immortal Saints, appearing as they will in

their resurrected bodies, rising up as rulers, as kings, and priests,

upon the face of our globe.

A government administered by such men will be one that can be depended

on; in that respect it will be very different from the political

nations of mortal man. Then there will not be the contention we now

have, for all things pertaining to the government of God's kingdom will

be conducted in order and on the eternal principles of righteousness.

The Twelve Apostles who were called by Jesus, and who ministered in

his name while they tarried on the earth, will sit upon twelve thrones

hereafter, and judge the twelve tribes of Israel. There will be nothing

intangible or etherial about these thrones, they will be just as real

as any kingly throne of the earth. And the Twelve Apostles will rule

over the twelve tribes of Israel for the space of a thousand years,

having, as they will have, their celestial bodies, and they will eat

and drink at the table of the Lord. He will be here also, he will be

King of kings, before whom all must bow, all must acknowledge his

power--and that will be for the space of a thousand years.

By and by, when the time comes for this earth to die--for there has

been a great deal of wickedness here--Satan will be loosed to go forth

again to deceive, for there will still be some of the Saints mortal,

who will be subject to temptation, and even Satan will not only try

to deceive the mortal Saints, but he will gather together his armies

around the camp of the Saints.

Then another time comes, when a great white throne will appear, and he

who sits thereon will be glorious in his majesty and power, from before

whose face the earth will flee away and no place be found for it. Will

he annihilate it? No, not a particle of the earth will be annihilated,

not a particle of the earth was ever originated, consequently not a

particle of it will go out of existence, but it will flee away to its

original element in the same manner as the human body would were it

burned at the stake. The elements would be diffused among original

matter, so with the elements of our earth when it undergoes its change.

John was not satisfied with only seeing the earth pass away, but he

saw still further even until he beheld a new heaven and a new earth,

for, said he, the first heaven and the first earth were passed away

and there was no more sea. Again, he testifies further, saying, "And

I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God, out

of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a

great voice out of heaven saying, Behold the tabernacle of God is with

men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God

himself shall be with them, and be their God, And God shall wipe away

all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither

sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the

former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said,

Behold, I make all things new."

This creation, when made new, will be inhabited by immortal beings,

who will no more be subject to death, consequently there will be no

more pain or sorrow, nothing to mar their peace or to prevent them from

entering into the fullness of happiness and joy.

This, I say, is the destiny of this earth, and the Lord has told

us that the time is nigh at hand. In other words, this is the last

dispensation and we are preparing for the work of the Millennium. When

the thousand years are passed, the earth will be made new--it will then

become a heaven, the habitation of the Former and Latter-day Saints, as

well as all they who prove themselves faithful who will be born during

the Millennium. How long will they inhabit it? Forever.

When I was a boy, nineteen years old, I first saw Joseph Smith; I

attended a conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day

Saints, on the 2nd of January, 1831. At that conference the people

desired him to inquire of the Lord for them--they were anxious to know

his mind and will. They were at that time comparatively few in number,

not being more than two hundred. Joseph Smith sat down at a table, and

received a great revelation, which is now contained in this Book of

Doctrine and Covenants. Part of it, in relation to a land of promise,

reads as follows:

And I will give it unto you for the land of your inheritance, if

you seek it with all your hearts: and this shall be my covenant

with you, ye shall have it for the land of your inheritance, and

for the inheritance of your children for ever, while the earth

shall stand, and ye shall possess it again in eternity, no more to

pass away.[A]

[Footnote A: Doc. and Cov. Sec. 38; 19-20.]

When I sat and heard that revelation,--it was uttered by the Prophet

Joseph, and written by his scribe,--I thought to myself, that is a

very curious doctrine, for I had not then learned that this earth was

to become our future home and heaven, and I did not think Joseph Smith

knew it. But it seemed so curious to me to bring myself to believe

that the Lord was going to give us part of this earth, to possess it,

and our children after us, while time should last, and to retain it

through all eternity, never more to pass away. This was so different

from anything I had been taught--I was utterly confounded--to think

that my Father in heaven would come and live here on this earth! But

when I came to read the Bible on this subject and found how numerous

the passages were promising that the Saints should inherit the earth

forever, I was perfectly astonished that I had never thought of it

before. "Blessed are the meek," says the Savior, "for they shall

inherit the earth."[A] The meek have been driven into the dens and

mountains of the earth, having had to hide themselves up from their

persecutors while the wicked, the proud, and the haughty have inherited

the earth. Yet here is a promise that the meek shall inherit this

earth, which all of course would readily admit has never had its

fulfillment. Then again I was still more confirmed in the truth of

this doctrine, when finding other corroborative passages. David, for

instance, in the 37th Psalm, says, "The wicked shall be cut off. The

righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell thereon for ever." I go

back to the Books of Moses and there ascertain that the earth is

promised to the Saints for ever. I came to the Acts of the Apostles,

wherein the martyr Stephen, in answering the charge of blasphemy,

tells of Abraham, how he came to leave his own country, and how the

Lord had promised him a land for an inheritance, which "he would give

to him for a possession, and to his seed after him," and yet he never

possessed any of it, "no, not so much as to set his foot on," and

this same promise was confirmed to Isaac and Jacob. And when I read

in the Revelations of John about the new song that he heard them sing

in heaven about their coming back to the earth (Rev. 5: 9, 10), I was

fully confirmed that the new revelation was from God. One portion of

the song which John heard the angels sing, was, "For thou wast slain,

and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and

tongue and people, and nation; and hast made us unto our God kings and

priests; and we shall reign on the earth."

[Footnote A: Matt. 5:5.]

How very plain it is when we once learn about our future heaven. We

do not have to pray, according to the Methodists, for the Lord to

take us to a land beyond time and space, the Saints' secure abode.

How inconsistent to look for a heaven beyond space! The heaven of

the Saints is something we can look forward to in the confident hope

of realizing our inheritances and enjoying them forever, when the

earth becomes sanctified and made new. And there, as here, we will

spread forth, and multiply our children. How long? For eternity. What,

resurrected Saints have children? Yes, the same as our God, who is the

Father of our spirits; so you, if you are faithful to the end, will

become fathers to your sons and daughters, who will be as innumerable

as the sands upon the sea shore; they will be your children, and you

will be their heavenly fathers, the same as our heavenly Father is

Father to us, and they will belong to your kingdoms through all the

vast ages of eternity, the same as we will belong to our father's

kingdom.

He that receiveth my father, says the Savior, receiveth my Father's

kingdom, wherefore all that my father hath shall be given to him. It

is a kind of joint stock inheritance, we are to become joint heirs

with Jesus Christ to all the inheritances and to all the worlds that

are made. We shall have the power of locomotion; and like Jesus, after

his resurrection, we shall be able to mount up and pass from one world

to another. We shall not be confined to our native earth. There are

many worlds inhabited by people who are glorified, for heaven is not

one place, but many, heaven is not one world but many. "In my Father's

house are many mansions." In other words--In my Father's house there

are many worlds, which in their turn will be made glorified heavens,

the inheritance of the redeemed from all the worlds, who, having been

prepared through similar experience to our own, will inhabit them;

and each one in its turn will be exalted through the revelations and

laws of the Most High God, and they will continue to multiply their

offspring through all eternity, and new worlds will be made for their

progeny. Amen.

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