CHAPTER XI

AN ACADEMIC DISCUSSION

It was some days after this conversation with my friends at the hotel

that I was present at a dinner-party given by the President of Mecco

University. There were about thirty guests, so that at table a general

conversation was almost impossible; I could hear only what was said

by those close to me. I was seated between a member of the diplomatic

corps and a general. General Wolf, a benevolent-looking old gentleman

with a large, coarse face and a double chin, seemed rather disappointed

that I could not discuss with him the Higher Mathematics. He deplored

the neglect of Mathematics in Meccania. He admitted that unless a

person had a mathematical brain it was useless to attempt to make

him a mathematician; but he said the Eugenics section of the Health

Department was not sufficiently alive to the importance of improving

the mathematical stock. He railed very bitterly against a member of the

Eugenics Board who had tried to get authority to improve the supply

of artists. Happily the Board had turned down his proposals. Count

Hardflogg, who wore the Mechow whisker and an eyeglass, and frowned

fiercely at everything one said to him, was full of a recent report by

the experts in the Industrial Psychology section of the Department of

Industry and Commerce. It seems they had recommended a shortening of

hours for the members of the Sixth and Fifth Classes in a number of

provincial towns, to bring them more on a level with the same class of

workers in Mecco itself. He said it was the thin end of the wedge; that

they ought not to have reported until experiments had been made with

a different diet: he blamed the Eugenics Section, too, for not being

able to produce a tougher strain of workers. Reduction of working hours

should not be resorted to, he maintained, until every other expedient

had been tried: it was so very difficult to increase them afterwards.

Besides, in the Strenuous Month, it had been proved over and over again

that the men could easily stand a longer working day without physical

injury.

"And what is the Strenuous Month?" I asked.

"Oh, of course," he said, "you have not studied our industrial system

as a factor of military organisation. There is a very good account of

it in Mr. Kwang's _Triumphs of Meccanian Culture_. Briefly it is this.

Every year, but not always in the same month, the signal is given for

the Strenuous Month to begin. The workmen then work at top speed, and

for as many hours a day as the Industrial Psychologists determine, for

thirty days consecutively. It is excellent training, and incidentally

has a very good effect on the output for the other months of the year.

The men are so glad when it is over that, unconsciously, they work

better for the rest of the year."

"But I should have thought they would be so fatigued that you would

lose as much as you gain, or more perhaps," I said.

"Oh no," he answered; "they are allowed one day's complete rest, which

they must spend in bed; their diet is arranged, both during the time

and for a month after. They must go to bed for two hours extra every

night for the following month. The effect is most beneficial. They like

it too, on the whole, for they get paid for all the extra product--that

is to say, it is added to their pension fund."

"But I thought the pension fund was so calculated," I said, "that it

tallies exactly with what is required for the support of each man from

the time he ceases to be able to work."

"Certainly," he replied. "After fifty-five most of our men work an

hour a day less every two years, with variations according to their

capacity, as tested by the medical examinations."

"Then how do they benefit," I asked, "by the product of the strenuous

month, if it is only added to their pension and not paid at the time?"

"If it is added to the pension fund," he replied, "it is obvious that

they must benefit."

I did not pursue the matter further. He asked me if I had been to the

Annual Medical Exhibition. I said I had not heard of it, and did not

suppose I should receive permission to see it, as I was not altogether

well qualified to understand it. He said it was most interesting. He

was not a medical man himself, of course; but as an officer in the army

he had had to get some acquaintance with physiology.

"The medical menagerie gets more interesting every year," he said.

"The medical menagerie!" I exclaimed. "Whatever is that?"

"It is a wonderful collection of animals, not only domestic but wild

animals too, upon which experiments have been carried out. There are

goats with sheep's legs. There are cows with horses' hearts, and dogs

with only hind-legs, and pigs without livers--oh, all sorts of things.

The funniest is a pig with a tiger's skin."

"And what is the object of it all?" I said.

"Oh, just a regular part of medical research. The most valuable

experiments are those with bacilli, of course; but only the experts can

understand these, as a rule."

"But it is not safe to infer that the results of experiments on animals

will be applicable to human beings," I said.

"Of course not, without further verification; but the Special Medical

Board have ample powers to carry out research."

"What, upon human beings?" I exclaimed.

"People do not always know when they are being experimented upon," he

remarked significantly. "Besides, if a man is already suffering from an

incurable disease, what does it matter? Of course, we use anæsthetics,

wherever possible at least; that goes without saying."

After dinner we drank wine for a little time, seated in little groups

after the manner of a custom in some of the colleges in Luniland.

Here, instead of being placed with the two gentlemen who had been my

neighbours at table, I was one of a group of four, the others being two

professors and a high official in the Sociological Department. One of

the professors was Secret Councillor Sikofantis-Sauer, an Economist;

the other was Church Councillor Muhgubb-Slimey, a Theologian. We

talked of indifferent matters for some time until the High Official

left us, when the idea occurred to me to try whether the Economist

would enlighten me upon the subject of the ultimate destination of the

phenomenal production of the Meccanian economic organisation.

I remarked that I had never seen in any country so few signs of

discontent as in Meccania, and I asked if this was due to the great

wealth that must necessarily be produced by the efficiency of the

methods of production. Professor Sikofantis-Sauer, the Economist, said

that my question betrayed that I was not acquainted with the Meccanian

System of Ethics. I wondered why the Professor of Economics should

begin talking of Ethics. He went on, "Social discontent was never

really due to lack of wealth. Properly speaking, it has no relation

to material wealth at all. This has been proved up to the hilt--if it

needed any proof--by our researches in Economic and Social History.

In a nutshell the proof is this. What was called poverty in the early

nineteenth century would have been considered affluence in, let us

say, the fifth or even the tenth century. The whole idea of wealth is

subjective. Now anyone knows that, where wealth is allowed to become

the main objective of the social activities of the people, the desire

for individual wealth is insatiable. The notion that you can ever

reach a state of contentment, by increasing the wealth of the people,

is one of the greatest fallacies that even the economists of Luniland

ever entertained--and that is saying a good deal. Consequently, if we

have succeeded in eradicating discontent, it has not been by pursuing

the mirage of a popular El Dorado. No, you must replace the insane

desire for the gratification of individual indulgence by a conception

of a truer kind of well-being. If the individual once grasps the fact

that in himself, and by himself, he is little better than an arboreal

ape, and that all he possesses, all he can possess, is the gift of the

State--which gives him nourishment, language, ideas, knowledge; which

trains him to use his powers, such as they are--he will assume an

entirely different attitude. Our system of education, far more than

our system of production, is responsible for the eradication of social

and of every other kind of discontent."

"Then I suppose," I said, "the lower classes, as we sometimes call them

abroad--your Fifth and Sixth and Seventh Classes, for example--never

inquire whether they receive what they consider a fair share of the

national product?"

Professor Sauer laughed aloud. "Pardon me," he said, "but you remind me

of a story I used to hear when I was a boy, of a man who had slept in

some cave or den for fifty years, or was it a century, and woke up to

find a different world. Such a question belongs to the buried fossils

of economic theory. Who can say what is a fair share? You might as well

ask whether one musical composition is more just than another."

"Well, perhaps you can tell me this," I said. "Considering the

superiority of your methods of production, I should have expected

to find a much higher standard of individual wealth, or comfort, or

leisure--you know what I mean--among not only the lower classes, but

all classes. I cannot help wondering what becomes of all the surplus."

"We have all enough for our needs," he said, "and the requirements of

the State are of far more importance than the gratification of the

tastes of individuals."

"May I put in a word?" said Professor Slimey the Theologian. "In the

modern world, the productive powers of man have outstripped his other

powers. It is one of the mysteries of the ways of Providence. The

discipline of labour is necessary for the development of the soul, but

the devil has sought to seduce mankind by teaching him how to produce

more than is good for him, in the hope that he will become corrupted by

luxury. In other countries that corruption has already taken place. The

strenuous life is the only life consistent with moral health. Under the

Divine guidance our ruling classes--I am old-fashioned enough to use

that expression, for in the eyes of God there are no First or Second

Classes--have preserved the sense of duty; they are a discipline unto

themselves. God's blessings have been multiplied unto them, and they

have not forgotten the Divine injunctions. We cannot expect that the

masses of mankind can discipline themselves, and for them the only

safety lies in well-regulated and well-directed labour. There can be no

greater curse for a people than idleness and luxury. Fortunately, we

have been able to preserve them from the evil effects of superabundant

wealth."

"I have sometimes wondered," I said, "whether the requirements of the

State in regard to what is called National Defence were so great as to

account for the surplus product."

"Undoubtedly the demands of the army are very considerable," replied

Sauer. "You must remember that we have to protect ourselves against

the whole world, so to speak."

"But no estimate has been made, I suppose, of what is required for such

things?" I said.

"That is a matter of high policy," replied Sauer. "It would be

impossible to estimate for it as a separate item in National

expenditure. There again you betray your Lunilandish conceptions

of National finance. No doubt they keep up this practice still in

Luniland, but such a notion belongs to a bygone age. The State must be

able to mobilise all its resources; that is the only logical policy, if

you mean to conduct the affairs of the nation successfully, not only in

time of war but in time of peace. Your asking how much National wealth

is devoted to Defence is like asking a man how much of his dinner is

devoted to sustaining his religion."

"But is it not important to be able to form some approximate idea, from

the economic point of view?" I said. "For, in one sense, it represents

so much waste."

"So much waste?" exclaimed Professor Slimey indignantly; "to what

nobler purpose could the energies of the people be directed than to the

defence of their Emperor, their God and their Fatherland?"

"I did not mean that it might not be necessary," I replied, "but it is

like a man who has to build a dyke against floods. It may be necessary,

but if he could be sure that the floods would not come, he could

devote his energies to something more profitable."

Professor Slimey shook his head solemnly. "No, no," he said, "that

is another of the fallacies current among foreign peoples. We should

sink to their level if our people had not ever before them the duty

of serving God by upholding the power of Meccania, his chosen nation.

Indeed, I often think what a dispensation of Providence it is that it

involves so much labour. Imagine the state of the common people if they

could maintain themselves by the aid of a few hours' work a day!"

"Would there not be so much more scope for the spread of your Culture?"

I said. "In fact, I had been given to understand that your Culture

had reached such a high level that you could easily dispense with the

discipline of long hours of labour."

"Our Culture," he replied, speaking with authority, "is not an

individual culture at all. It must be understood as a unity. It

includes this very discipline of which you seem to think so lightly. It

includes the discipline of all classes. The monks of the Middle Ages

knew that idleness would undermine even their ideal of life, for they

knew that life is a discipline. Our National Culture is the nearest

approach to the Christian ideal that any nation has ever put into

practice."

"I cannot, of course, speak with confidence upon such a question,"

I replied, "but I thought the Christian ideal was the development

of the individual soul, whereas the Meccanian ideal--I speak under

correction--implies the elimination of the individual soul: everything

must be sacrificed to the realisation of the glory of the Super-State."

"The Super-State," answered Slimey, "is itself the Great Soul of

Meccania; it includes all the individual souls. What you call the

sacrifice of the individual soul is no real sacrifice; it is merely a

losing oneself to find oneself in the larger soul of Meccania. And just

as the individual soul may inflict suffering on itself for the sake

of higher self-realisation, so the Super-Soul of Meccania may inflict

suffering on the individual souls within itself for the sake of the

higher self-realisation. The soul of Meccania is as wonderful in the

spiritual world as the material manifestation of Meccania is in the

material world."

"I am sure you are right," I said, "although it never struck me in that

light before. The soul of Meccania is the most wonderful phenomenon in

the history of the world."

"No," replied Professor Slimey, with his solemn air, "it is not

phenomenon: it is the thing in itself." Here he paused to drink a

liqueur. Then he went on, "It is purely spiritual. It has existed

from eternity and has become clothed and manifest through the outward

and inward development of the Super-State. You foreigners see only

the outward forms, which are merely symbols. It is the Super-Soul

of Meccania that is destined to absorb the world of spirit, as the

Super-State is destined to conquer the material world."

Professor Sikofantis-Sauer gazed with his fishy eyes, as if he had

heard all this before. "Some day," I said, "I should like to hear

more of the Super-Soul, but while I have the privilege of talking to

both of you I should like to learn some things which probably only a

Professor of Economics can tell me. You, as Meccanians, will pardon

me, I know, for seeking to acquire knowledge." They nodded assent. "I

know something of the economic ideas of other nations in Europe," I

said, "but your conditions are so different that I am quite at sea with

regard to the economic doctrines of Meccania. What Economic Laws are

there within the Super-State?"

"A very profound question," answered Sauer, "and yet the answer

is simple. What you have studied in other countries is merely the

economics of free exchange, as carried on among peoples of a low

culture. Our Economics have hardly anything in common. Some of the laws

of large-scale production are similar, but beyond that, our science

rests upon other principles. Our science is based upon Meccanian

Ethics. The laws of demand have quite a different meaning with us. The

State determines the whole character and volume of demand, and entirely

upon ethical grounds."

"And distribution too, I suppose?"

"Naturally. That is implied in the regulation of demand. The State

determines what each class may spend, and in so doing determines both

demand and distribution."

"But I was under the impression that the well-to-do--the Third and

higher classes generally--had much more latitude than the lower classes

in these respects," I said.

"Quite so. That again is part of our national ethical system. Just

as our Economics are National Economics, so our Ethics are National

Ethics. The higher functions discharged by the higher classes demand

a higher degree and quality of consumption. You will find some most

interesting researches upon this subject in the reports of the

Sociological Department. Dr. Greasey's monograph on the _Sociological

Function of the Third Class_ is also a masterpiece in its way."

"And the Second Class?" I said. "They will require still more latitude?"

"The Second Class, like the First," replied Sauer, "stands outside

and above the purely Economic aspect of Society. Their function

is to determine what the National-Social Structure shall be. Our

business as economists is to provide ways and means. No doubt they are

unconsciously guided, or shall I say inspired, by the workings of the

Meccanian spirit, of which they are the highest depositaries; and all

the organs of the State are at their service, to give effect to their

interpretation of the will of the Super-State."

"You do not find any tendency on their part, I suppose, to make large

demands for themselves in the shape of what we non-Meccanians persist

in calling 'wealth'?" I said.

"Such a question," answered Sauer, "does not admit of any answer,

because it involves a conception of wealth which we have entirely

discarded. The Second Class--and with them, of course, I include

the First Class, for they are indivisible in their functions and

spirit--exists for the Super-State. Whatever they consume is consumed

in the discharge of the highest duties of the State. Whatever is

required by them is simply part of the necessary expenditure of the

State. But although no limit is set--and who would presume to set any

limit?--it is remarkable how little of this expenditure assumes the

form of personal consumption. For the sake of the dignity of the State,

their life must be conducted--collectively--on a magnificent scale.

But, as you know, a dignitary like the Pope may live in the finest

palace in Europe and yet be a man of simple tastes and habits; so

our noble class--and no nobler class has ever existed--may represent

the glory of the Super-State and yet be the embodiment of the purest

virtues."

"I would go further," said Professor Slimey at this point. "Our noble

Second Class--and of course I associate the First Class with them, for

in reality they are all one--are the true Protectors of the State:

they are the guardians of us all. Have you not noticed throughout

all history that, after a successful war, the people are ready to

bestow all manner of honours and benefits upon those who have saved

their country? Well, I say those who have given us all the glory and

honour, ay, and the spoils of victory too, without going to war, are as

deserving of the rewards as if they had come back from a long campaign.

We cannot honour them too much. Besides, it is good for the people to

feel that there is a class upon whom they can bestow the natural warmth

of their affection and their admiration. The desire to bow down in

reverent admiration, the desire to do honour to the worthiest of our

race, is a God-given impulse, and should be encouraged, not checked.

Our people feel this. We do not bargain with them as to what share

they shall have: we do not lay aside a tenth, or some such absurd

proportion: we say, take our wealth, take whatever we can give, it is

all yours, you are the fathers of the State, you are our saviours."

"And you think this spirit prevails throughout Meccania?" I said.

"I am perfectly sure of it," replied Slimey. "All our greatest artists

offer their works freely to the members of the Second Class; all the

most gifted scientists compete for places in the colleges for the

training of the Military; the services of our best writers are at

their disposal: we withhold nothing from them."

"Then it is true, I gather, that the custom I have heard of, by which

wives and daughters of other classes, if they are thought worthy by

the Eugenics Board, are--shall I say--dedicated to the service of the

Second Class, arouses no feeling of indignation?"

"Indignation!" exclaimed the Professor of Theology. "It is a duty and a

privilege."

"But is it not contrary to the principles of the Christian religion?

I confess I speak with some hesitation, as I do not belong to the

Christian communion; but I have been told by some of the strictest

of the Christian sects in other countries that such a practice is a

violation of the Christian code."

Professor Slimey refreshed himself, and I could see another long

speech was coming. "That is a sample of the uncharitable criticism

which is constantly being aimed at us, by those who cloak their envy

and spite under the name of Christian doctrine. Yet they are utterly

inconsistent with themselves. They admit the Doctrine of Development,

yet they deny its application, except to suit their own purposes. Take

Usury, for example. Christian doctrine, as expounded by the Fathers,

regarded usury as sinful. Yet usury is practised in all so-called

Christian countries without protest. Why? Because their system of

Economics cannot work without it. I might give other illustrations,

but that will suffice. Now Ethics must undergo development if there

is to be progress in morals. The supreme well-being of the State

gives the key to all progress in Ethics. If the custom you refer to

were due to private concupiscence, we--and I speak for all Meccanian

theologians--would be the first to denounce it. The sin of adultery is

a spiritual sin, and exists only where carnal desire is the motive.

Every theologian knows that the same physical act may be performed

in conformity with the behests of the Mosaic law, or in direct

disobedience of it. The one is a sacred duty, the other is sin. It is

like the alleged obligation to speak the truth upon all occasions.

There is no such obligation. We must look to the end in view. Where the

supreme needs of the State demand concealment or even deception, the

private ethical impulse to speak the truth to an enemy is superseded

by the greater obligation to the State. The virtue of Chastity is not

violated; it is raised, if I may say so, to its transcendent degree,

by an act of sacrifice which implies the surrender of merely private

virtue to the interests of the State; for you must remember that the

State as developed by the Meccanian spirit is the highest embodiment of

the will of God upon earth."

"We seem to have been carried rather a long way from Meccanian

Economics," I remarked, turning to Professor Sauer by way of apology

for having carried on the conversation for so long with Professor

Slimey.

"Not at all," he answered. "Meccanian Ethics and Meccanian Economics

cannot be separated."

"It must make the science of Economics much more difficult in one

sense; but, on the other hand, what a relief it must be to have got rid

of all those old troublesome theories of value!" I observed.

"We have not got rid of theories of value," answered Sauer; "they too

have only been developed. The basis of our theory of value is to be

found in Meccanian Ethics."

"In other words," I said, laughing, "the value of a pair of boots in

Meccania is determined by the theologians!"

"How do you mean?" asked Sauer.

"I mean that the remuneration of an artisan in the Fifth Class will

purchase so many pairs of boots; and the remuneration of the artisan is

determined by what the State thinks good for him; and what the State

thinks good for him is determined by Meccanian Ethics; and I suppose

the theologians determine the system of Meccanian Ethics."

At that point our conversation was interrupted by an announcement that

the toast of the evening would be drunk. This was the signal for the

party to break up. We drank to the success of the Meccanian Empire and

the confounding of all its enemies, and I went home to the hotel to

find a message from Kwang asking me to see him the following day. I

spent the morning as usual with Lickrod, who was initiating me into

the method of using the catalogues in the Great Library of Mecco. It

was indeed a marvel of 'librarianship.' There was a bibliography upon

every conceivable subject. There was a complete catalogue of every

book according to author, and another according to subject. There was

a complete catalogue of the books issued in each separate year for the

last twenty-five years. There were courses of study with brief notes

upon all the books. Lickrod was in his element. As we came away, about

lunch-time, I said to him, "Suppose I want to take back with me, when I

leave the country, a dozen books to read for pure pleasure, what would

you recommend me to take?"

"Upon what subject?" he asked.

"Upon anything, no matter what. What I am thinking of are books which

are just works of art in themselves, pieces of pure literature either

in poetry or prose."

"A book must be about something," he said; "it must fall into some

category or other."

"Is there no imaginative literature?" I asked.

"Oh, certainly, we have scores of treatises on the imagination."

"But I mean books that are the work of the imagination."

"I see. You want them for your children, perhaps: they would be found

in the juvenile departments; fables and parables, and that sort of

thing."

"No, I mean books without any serious purpose, but for grown-up people.

I seem to remember such works in the old Meccanian literature."

"How very odd," answered Lickrod, "that you should express a wish to

see works of that kind."

"Why?" I asked, in some surprise.

"Because we find works of that kind in great demand in the asylums for

the mentally afflicted. You see, we treat the inmates as humanely as

possible, and our pathologists tell us that they cannot read the books

by modern authors. We have to let them read for a few hours a day, and

they beg, really rather piteously, for the old books. It is always

old books they ask for. I suppose in a way they are cases of a kind

of arrested development. At any rate, they have not been able to keep

pace with the developments of our ideas. Doctor Barm reported only last

year that the only books that seem to have a soothing effect on these

patients are those written, oh, two hundred years ago, and of the very

kind you probably have in mind."

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