[_Turning to the witness._] You declared a short while ago that the
conversations at which you had been present in Paris were of a friendly
nature. Do you remember taking part in the conference of 12 January
1943?
TIMM: At the moment I cannot remember just from the date whether I took
part, but I could tell from the subject of the discussion whether I was
present or not.
M. HERZOG: I have already submitted Document Number F-809 to the
Tribunal. It contains the minutes of this conference. In the course of
the conference, Laval, among other things, said to Sauckel:
“It is no longer a matter of a policy of collaboration; it is
rather, on the French side, a policy of sacrifice, and on the
German side a policy of coercion...
“We cannot take any political measure without everywhere coming
up against some German authority which has substituted itself in
our place.
“I cannot guarantee measures which I do not take myself...
“It is not possible for me to be a mere agent for German
measures of coercion.”
Do you think that those are friendly remarks?
TIMM: I did not understand one word. “Do you believe that those...”?
M. HERZOG: “...friendly remarks.” You said that these conversations were
friendly. I have given you an extract from the contents of these
conversations. Do you still say that they were friendly?
TIMM: I can only confirm the spirit of the negotiations in which I took
part. I do not recognize these statements in the form you give them to
me.
M. HERZOG: If you had known them, would you still have said that they
were friendly conversations?
THE PRESIDENT: He was not there. He just said that he did not know about
it. We can judge for ourselves whether the tone of it is friendly.
M. HERZOG: Witness, you stated earlier that you had no knowledge of
forced deportations.
TIMM: I said that I knew of no forced deportations under the authority
of the GBA; and I do not know of any deportations.
M. HERZOG: Do you remember a conference held on 15 and 16 July 1944 at
Wartburg, which you attended, and at which Sauckel, a number of chiefs
of Gau labor offices, and people who worked with Sauckel were also
gathered?
TIMM: At Wartburg there was a conference of the presidents of the Gau
labor offices. I was there for that conference.