M. HERZOG: Will you tell me where Sauckel’s offices were in Berlin?

TIMM: In Berlin, Sauckel himself worked in Thuringia House, while the

special sections made available by the Reich Ministry of Labor were in

the building of the Reich Ministry of Labor at Saarlandstrasse 96, and

some, after a part of the building had been destroyed, were in

alternative quarters near Berlin.

M. HERZOG: Thank you. The offices at Saarlandstrasse 96 therefore came

under Sauckel’s administration? Is that right?

TIMM: The office at Saarlandstrasse 96 was not a new office; it was the

Reich Ministry of Labor. The two sections had been made available by a

Führer decree to carry out the tasks of the GBA.

M. HERZOG: A document headed “Delegate for the Four Year Plan,

Plenipotentiary General for the Allocation of Labor, Berlin SW 11,

Saarlandstrasse 96” therefore comes from Sauckel’s office?

TIMM: I did not quite understand.

M. HERZOG: A document which has the following heading: “Delegate for the

Four Year Plan, Plenipotentiary General for the Allocation of Labor...”

THE PRESIDENT: Why not show him the document?

M. HERZOG: I show you Document Number L-61, which was submitted to the

Tribunal in the course of the last few sessions. This document bears, as

you see, the following heading at the top on the left: “The Delegate for

the Four Year Plan, the Plenipotentiary General for the Allocation of

Labor.” On the top in the right-hand corner, “Berlin SW 11,

Saarlandstrasse 96.” It is dated 26 November 1942, and comes, therefore,

from Sauckel’s offices. Is that right?

TIMM: This document comes from the GBA, therefore from Sauckel’s office.

M. HERZOG: Thank you. Did you represent Sauckel at the conferences of

the Central Planning Board for the Four Year Plan?

TIMM: I either represented him, or I went with the GBA to take part in

the sessions. Not always, but frequently.

M. HERZOG: When you represented him there, you received instructions

before going there, did you not?

TIMM: When we had to go to larger and more important conferences, we

were informed by Thuringia House that there were to be sessions, and we

received our instructions as to how we were to represent the GBA at

these sessions.

M. HERZOG: And when you came back from these meetings, you gave Sauckel

a report on them, did you not?

TIMM: After the sessions we either reported the results of the

conference to him personally, or through his personal advisers.

M. HERZOG: Sauckel then had to take the responsibility for the

declarations you made at the various meetings? Is that right?

TIMM: As an official, it was always my duty to make sure when I made

reports in a session and to ascertain...

M. HERZOG: That is not what I asked. Will you answer my question? You

received instructions before the conferences began. You reported to

Sauckel afterwards what was discussed at these conferences. Consequently

Sauckel was responsible for what was discussed there, was he not?

TIMM: If I might be allowed to explain about this...

THE PRESIDENT: Is not that really a matter of law, not a matter of

evidence?

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