M. HERZOG: With your permission, I will begin again.

“Sturm gave the following report from his sector on work

discipline...”

And on the following page: “We are working with the Gestapo and the

concentration camps, and we are certainly on the right track.”

Did you make any observations when that statement was made?

SAUCKEL: I did not hear that statement myself. He gave a specialized

report on questions of labor legislation, as it says at the beginning. I

am seeing the record for the first time in my life. There were several

parallel meetings at the same time. I did not hear it myself, but it

stands to reason that some sort of ruling regarding penalties had to be

made, as is done in all labor legislation.

Perhaps I may read to you from the same document, the beginning:

“Measures regulating the employment of labor and wages are only

possible on the basis of a healthy working morale. Regulations

of a disciplinary and penal character for securing such morale

require unified handling, the details of which will be dealt

with at a subsequent meeting of experts on penal law.”

That is, of course, not one of my offices.

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