I skip two more pages, to Page 18; and I read only this sentence:

“It is not possible for me to be a mere agent for German

measures of coercion.”

That is the document which I submit to you, Defendant, and I ask you two

questions concerning it.

The first question is: What did you answer to Laval when he made this

statement to you?

The second one is: Do you not think that here there is proof of the

pressure which you dispute?

SAUCKEL: To begin with, if the Tribunal would permit it, I should have

to read my reply to Premier Laval. The document proves, and this has

been confirmed to me by Premier Laval on various occasions, that I

conducted my negotiations with him in a proper manner; and in spite of

the fact that I had orders not to conduct political conversations but

only to deal with my actual task, I always reported to the Führer about

these matters. But I think that the tone of my reply was definitely

beyond reproach. These negotiations which I conducted...

M. HERZOG: That is not the question that I asked you. I asked you what

you answered him when he made that statement to you, when he said to

you, for instance, that it was not possible for him to be a mere agent

for German measures of coercion.

SAUCKEL: I would have to read my answer. I cannot remember it now.

M. HERZOG: Do you therefore dispute the fact that this represents

pressure?

SAUCKEL: Premier Laval did not complain about me in this connection. He

complained about general conditions in France, because this was the time

of occupation. The situation was that there was a German occupation. It

was war.

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