M. HERZOG: Page 9, Mr. President.

“Answer: ‘In 1941 or 1942 Speer instituted this delegation for

manpower.’”

I would merely ask you what you understand by that phrase. What did you

mean when you said that Speer instituted this delegation for manpower in

1941 or 1942?

SAUCKEL: I have to say, in this connection, that I never saw the minutes

again after I had been interrogated. I cannot confirm that sentence

about 1941-42, and I cannot imagine that I expressed myself in that way

during the interrogation.

M. HERZOG: The Tribunal will judge your answer. Is it correct that,

besides your representatives with the civil and military commanders, you

installed administrative offices for labor in the occupied territories?

SAUCKEL: That is not correct. They were already there.

M. HERZOG: You confirm then that besides the delegates who represented

you, there were recruiting agencies for manpower in the occupied

territories?

SAUCKEL: Yes. In the occupied territories, in all regional governments,

either civilian or military, there were departments dealing with

manpower which were a part of the administration; and they were

subordinate to the administration authorities.

M. HERZOG: Can you give an indication of the size of the personnel of

those various services in the occupied areas?

SAUCKEL: Do you mean the total number? I cannot tell you from memory the

separate figures for the personnel of these administrative offices. I

never have known these figures exactly.

M. HERZOG: Do you remember the conference which took place, with you as

chairman, on 15 and 16 July 1944 at the Wartburg with the heads of the

regional labor offices and the labor delegations from the European

occupied territories? On 15 July 1944, in the afternoon, State

Counsellor Börger gave an account of the personnel employed. It is

Document Number F-810, which I submit under the Exhibit Number RF-1507.

I will read on Page 20:

“State Counsellor Börger stated that outside the frontiers of

the Reich there are about 4,000 people engaged in the

administration of labor; Eastern area, 1,300; France, 1,016;

Belgium and Northern France, 429; Netherlands, 194...”

Do you confirm this statement of State Counsellor Börger?

SAUCKEL: Yes, speaking generally it may be true.

M. HERZOG: Apart from your representatives, apart from those services

that we were talking about, did you not create in France commissions

composed of specialists who were entrusted with organizing the

employment of labor on the German pattern? Please answer.

SAUCKEL: I did not quite understand the question. Please repeat it.

M. HERZOG: I shall repeat it. Apart from your representatives—apart

from the services that we have been talking about—did you not create,

in France particularly, commissions composed of specialists who were

entrusted with organizing the employment of manpower on the German

pattern?

SAUCKEL: I told my defense counsel yesterday about my collaboration with

French units for...

M. HERZOG: That is not what I mean. I am talking about commissions

composed of specialists. Do you not remember that in order to insure the

recruiting of manpower in France you thought of the system of attaching

two French _départements_ to a German Gau?

SAUCKEL: I remember now what you mean. This was the system of adoption

arranged in agreement with the French Government, according to which a

German Gau adopted a French _département_. The main object was to inform

the workers, who were to come to Germany, about conditions in Germany

and to have mutual talks with the economic offices of the French

_départements_ about statistics.

M. HERZOG: I hand to the Tribunal Document Number 1293-PS, which becomes

French Exhibit Number RF-1508.

[_Turning to the defendant._] This is a letter bearing your signature,

dated Berlin 14 August 1943, from which I shall read extracts. The

Tribunal will find it in the document book which I handed to them at the

beginning of this session. I shall first read the last paragraph on Page

1.

THE PRESIDENT: I am afraid I have not got it—1293?

M. HERZOG: Mr. President, the documents which figure in my document book

were handed to the Tribunal this morning—unless I am making a mistake,

for which I apologize in advance—in the order in which I intend to use

them.

THE PRESIDENT: I have one. 1293. Is that right?

M. HERZOG: I have attached a slip only to those documents which I think

I shall use several times, so that the Tribunal may find them more

easily. May I now begin to read?

THE PRESIDENT: I am sorry but the documents had not been handed up to

me, that is all. None of them had been handed up.

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