“Answer: ‘In 1941 or 1942 Speer instituted this delegation for
manpower.’”
I would merely ask you what you understand by that phrase. What did you
mean when you said that Speer instituted this delegation for manpower in
1941 or 1942?
SAUCKEL: I have to say, in this connection, that I never saw the minutes
again after I had been interrogated. I cannot confirm that sentence
about 1941-42, and I cannot imagine that I expressed myself in that way
during the interrogation.
M. HERZOG: The Tribunal will judge your answer. Is it correct that,
besides your representatives with the civil and military commanders, you
installed administrative offices for labor in the occupied territories?
SAUCKEL: That is not correct. They were already there.
M. HERZOG: You confirm then that besides the delegates who represented
you, there were recruiting agencies for manpower in the occupied
territories?
SAUCKEL: Yes. In the occupied territories, in all regional governments,
either civilian or military, there were departments dealing with
manpower which were a part of the administration; and they were
subordinate to the administration authorities.
M. HERZOG: Can you give an indication of the size of the personnel of
those various services in the occupied areas?
SAUCKEL: Do you mean the total number? I cannot tell you from memory the
separate figures for the personnel of these administrative offices. I
never have known these figures exactly.
M. HERZOG: Do you remember the conference which took place, with you as
chairman, on 15 and 16 July 1944 at the Wartburg with the heads of the
regional labor offices and the labor delegations from the European
occupied territories? On 15 July 1944, in the afternoon, State
Counsellor Börger gave an account of the personnel employed. It is
Document Number F-810, which I submit under the Exhibit Number RF-1507.
I will read on Page 20:
“State Counsellor Börger stated that outside the frontiers of
the Reich there are about 4,000 people engaged in the
administration of labor; Eastern area, 1,300; France, 1,016;
Belgium and Northern France, 429; Netherlands, 194...”
Do you confirm this statement of State Counsellor Börger?
SAUCKEL: Yes, speaking generally it may be true.
M. HERZOG: Apart from your representatives, apart from those services
that we were talking about, did you not create in France commissions
composed of specialists who were entrusted with organizing the
employment of labor on the German pattern? Please answer.
SAUCKEL: I did not quite understand the question. Please repeat it.
M. HERZOG: I shall repeat it. Apart from your representatives—apart
from the services that we have been talking about—did you not create,
in France particularly, commissions composed of specialists who were
entrusted with organizing the employment of manpower on the German
pattern?
SAUCKEL: I told my defense counsel yesterday about my collaboration with
French units for...
M. HERZOG: That is not what I mean. I am talking about commissions
composed of specialists. Do you not remember that in order to insure the
recruiting of manpower in France you thought of the system of attaching
two French _départements_ to a German Gau?
SAUCKEL: I remember now what you mean. This was the system of adoption
arranged in agreement with the French Government, according to which a
German Gau adopted a French _département_. The main object was to inform
the workers, who were to come to Germany, about conditions in Germany
and to have mutual talks with the economic offices of the French
_départements_ about statistics.
M. HERZOG: I hand to the Tribunal Document Number 1293-PS, which becomes
French Exhibit Number RF-1508.
[_Turning to the defendant._] This is a letter bearing your signature,
dated Berlin 14 August 1943, from which I shall read extracts. The
Tribunal will find it in the document book which I handed to them at the
beginning of this session. I shall first read the last paragraph on Page
1.
THE PRESIDENT: I am afraid I have not got it—1293?
M. HERZOG: Mr. President, the documents which figure in my document book
were handed to the Tribunal this morning—unless I am making a mistake,
for which I apologize in advance—in the order in which I intend to use
them.
THE PRESIDENT: I have one. 1293. Is that right?
M. HERZOG: I have attached a slip only to those documents which I think
I shall use several times, so that the Tribunal may find them more
easily. May I now begin to read?
THE PRESIDENT: I am sorry but the documents had not been handed up to
me, that is all. None of them had been handed up.